| mwhahaha | So I'm not sure why delaying tempest patches is any worse than breaking several others in the ecosystem | 00:00 |
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| oomichi | mwhahaha: and the other problem is stability of these jobs also | 00:00 |
| gmann | mwhahaha: thats my point is we did always, any recent example where tempest changes broke jobs and we merged that patch without fixing the issue | 00:00 |
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| oomichi | mwhahaha: if these jobs are voting jobs, we need to dig problems deeply. but before that, these jobs should be stable | 00:01 |
| mwhahaha | Yes there were, we only were able to hold off on that baremetal one because you asked | 00:01 |
| gmann | mwhahaha: please send the patch link if any such case till we commited to take responsibility of those | 00:01 |
| gmann | mwhahaha: its all under review | 00:02 |
| mwhahaha | We're trying to be on the same page as you and don't want to hold you up but we have been broken by tempest in the past | 00:02 |
| mwhahaha | I'm not feeling much in the way of community around this topic | 00:02 |
| gmann | mwhahaha: I am asking if any patch got merged without ping of fix | 00:02 |
| gmann | of-?or | 00:02 |
| mwhahaha | Not since we asked that you guys tell us first | 00:02 |
| mwhahaha | I'd have to go look at my history | 00:03 |
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| gmann | mwhahaha: yea, so today complain was for not pinging for those where puppet job issue right | 00:03 |
| oomichi | gmann: yeah, that is | 00:03 |
| gmann | oomichi: mwhahaha so we have to very clear here, does we need to ding or monitor such cases also ? | 00:04 |
| oomichi | but we found the root problem is not due to Tempest itself, | 00:04 |
| gmann | if yes i am ok to do that, but we should have time frame that job can be stable and no such issue | 00:04 |
| mwhahaha | everyone should always look into failures | 00:04 |
| oomichi | gmann: can you say "such case" more? | 00:05 |
| mwhahaha | that's just part of reviewing, so i'm not sure the context | 00:05 |
| gmann | mwhahaha: yes evryone not just tempest reviewer who always gets complained :) | 00:05 |
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| gmann | oomichi: like failure due to puppet jobs itself not due to tempest chanegs | 00:06 |
| mwhahaha | i mean do you want me to dig up the times that tempest changes did break the jobs? | 00:07 |
| mwhahaha | i'm not sure what you're looking for | 00:07 |
| mwhahaha | basically our ask is that if the jobs are red and you want to approve a change to ask for verification | 00:08 |
| gmann | mwhahaha: i am saying, there are 2 cases | 00:08 |
| mwhahaha | alternatively look at the logs yourself and determine if it's a failure or not. i mean you guys do know how to look at tempest output | 00:08 |
| oomichi | gmann: yeah, these cases also would be pinged without any digging | 00:08 |
| gmann | 1. puppet job fail due to tempest changes directly or indirectly - Temepst responsibility and we did that | 00:08 |
| gmann | 2. puppet job failure due to puppet job itself not related to tempest - ? | 00:08 |
| mwhahaha | so previously we had just asked for notification and we would +1 a change indicating it was OK to merge and that the failures are not related | 00:09 |
| gmann | oomichi: yea, we can do that no issue but it will be nice to set a time frame that ok for month we monitor those job and if still job unstable then leave | 00:09 |
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| mwhahaha | is there an issue with that? | 00:09 |
| oomichi | gmann: Did you dig puppet jobs failures at today case? | 00:09 |
| gmann | mwhahaha: well that makes process veruy slow and not suitable as per diff TZ | 00:10 |
| oomichi | gmann: if yes and approved, you win | 00:10 |
| mwhahaha | we got broken 5 weeks ago by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389318/ | 00:10 |
| gmann | mwhahaha: we can debug failure and see whether its related or not | 00:10 |
| oomichi | gmann: yeah, that is a point: re: TZ and unstability | 00:10 |
| mwhahaha | yea but if you break us then we're reliant on your TZ | 00:11 |
| mwhahaha | so it's a trade off | 00:11 |
| gmann | we should not make it process not to merge patch and so | 00:11 |
| gmann | mwhahaha: if we break that job then valid to ping us and complain. | 00:11 |
| mwhahaha | but then you've broken a whole bunch of stuff | 00:11 |
| gmann | mwhahaha: i am saying what if its job failure only | 00:11 |
| mwhahaha | then it's fine | 00:11 |
| gmann | mwhahaha: do you want us to ping those also ? | 00:12 |
| mwhahaha | if you don't know, ping | 00:12 |
| gmann | mwhahaha: till when ? | 00:12 |
| mwhahaha | till when what? | 00:12 |
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| mwhahaha | if you have a question about the job, just ask. i mean i think over time at looking the output of the jobs you would be able to determine if it's tempest related or not | 00:13 |
| gmann | mwhahaha: i mean that comes under stability of job so till when you want us to monitor that so that you guys can make that job stable | 00:13 |
| gmann | mwhahaha: oveall target should be making them voting if those are stable | 00:13 |
| mwhahaha | so the only issue at the moment is that the jobs could timeout at 1hour. but those are easy to spot. | 00:13 |
| gmann | so my quaestion is we can monitor till they become stable but till when | 00:14 |
| oomichi | mwhahaha: how about reveiwing tempest patches by yourself also ? | 00:14 |
| gmann | oomichi: +1 that helps everyone | 00:14 |
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| mwhahaha | i have no problem doing that but that doesn't really solve your concerns around TZ | 00:14 |
| mwhahaha | my ask is that your cores validate CI failures before merging | 00:15 |
| mwhahaha | it's the same that I would expect of any other project | 00:15 |
| mwhahaha | maybe i'm mistaken about that responsibility | 00:15 |
| oomichi | mwhahaha: most your concerns are solved I believe. | 00:15 |
| gmann | oomichi: that's my impression also but do not where we are lacking for making them happy :) | 00:16 |
| oomichi | mwhahaha: not difficult for you by doing that. Just open tempest reivews and check puppet job failures | 00:16 |
| oomichi | super easy | 00:16 |
| mwhahaha | so why can't you guys do it? | 00:16 |
| gmann | mwhahaha: we do | 00:17 |
| mwhahaha | so i got pulled into this and i honestly am not sure the context of where this conversation started | 00:17 |
| oomichi | mwhahaha: because of non-voting jobs | 00:17 |
| mwhahaha | all i ask is that you guys don't break us | 00:17 |
| gmann | mwhahaha: we will make sure none of the tempest change make them broken | 00:17 |
| mwhahaha | because we pull tempest from the repo, it breaks us | 00:17 |
| gmann | mwhahaha: but if its job faliure than? | 00:17 |
| mwhahaha | and by us i mean puppet, rdo, tripleo | 00:17 |
| oomichi | mwhahaha: why you don't want to do that? I am not sure | 00:17 |
| mwhahaha | we gate on packages for every other project | 00:17 |
| mwhahaha | but for tempest it doesn't necessarily make sense | 00:18 |
| mwhahaha | so because we actually use the git repo, for us it's very important not to be broken | 00:18 |
| mwhahaha | and over the last 2 years there have been several times where backwards incompatible changes have been merged | 00:18 |
| mwhahaha | even with the nonvoting CI | 00:18 |
| mwhahaha | so we're just asking that if it's red you ask for check yourselves before merging | 00:18 |
| mwhahaha | if you're comfortable that it's not a tempest failure then merge it | 00:19 |
| mwhahaha | if you don't know then ask | 00:19 |
| mwhahaha | that's all | 00:19 |
| mwhahaha | Trying to do some good cross-project work here | 00:19 |
| mwhahaha | does that make sense? | 00:19 |
| oomichi | mwhahaha: then you are considering tempest is important and I think it is worth to review Tempest patches by yourself | 00:19 |
| * mwhahaha is just but one man | 00:19 | |
| mwhahaha | when you say that it gives me the impression that you don't really care about other projects | 00:20 |
| mwhahaha | because its like well if it matters so much to you then it's your problem | 00:20 |
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| oomichi | mwhahaha: no, we are trying to take care about them. but I just feel you can help us for each other | 00:22 |
| oomichi | more | 00:22 |
| mwhahaha | i mean i can write documentation as to how to trouble shoot the jobs or something, but I cannot say that i can review every single failure | 00:23 |
| mwhahaha | i mean you guys don't really ping us on failures that often so is this happening all the time and we just don't know about it? | 00:23 |
| oomichi | mwhahaha: I don't ask you revewing all patches, it is ok to review patches as possible. Pinging also can be missed as today because we are human. So we can help each other by both reviewing and pinging | 00:26 |
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| mwhahaha | i don't think we've ever been against that | 00:27 |
| mwhahaha | but it seems that there's always a negative issue when we ask for some extra care | 00:27 |
| oomichi | mwhahaha: thanks :) | 00:27 |
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| mwhahaha | we don't want to block you, but you have to understand that you can block a whole lot more than just yourselves based on what this project is :) | 00:28 |
| oomichi | mwhahaha: humm, what does "negative issue" mean? | 00:29 |
| oomichi | mwhahaha: breakage of bigger ecosystem? | 00:29 |
| mwhahaha | it's hard to describe, so i think what i'm trying to say is that when we bring up this topic it seems like there's always push back from tempest folks around it | 00:30 |
| mwhahaha | so when did we add the puppet jobs to the gate? | 00:30 |
| mwhahaha | it's only been a few months right? | 00:30 |
| mwhahaha | Because i'm going through our history trying to track down when we had to pin, i found this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311174/ | 00:31 |
| mwhahaha | which was about 6 months ago and it had broken a bunch of stuff | 00:31 |
| mwhahaha | but there's no puppet jobs on the gate | 00:31 |
| oomichi | mwhahaha: I fixed it by myself in this case ! ;) | 00:32 |
| mwhahaha | Yea i'm not worried about it not eventually working out | 00:32 |
| mwhahaha | but just trying to head off any extra work that has to be done and undone in the event of these types of changes | 00:33 |
| mwhahaha | so it looks like the puppet jobs have been in place on tempest since about the end of may (may 30), https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321174/ | 00:33 |
| oomichi | mwhahaha: so I'd like to confirm you will review Tempest patches as possible to block puppet job failures, fine? | 00:34 |
| oomichi | clearly | 00:35 |
| mwhahaha | Yea i'll add it to the list of stuff i review on a daily basis | 00:35 |
| gmann | mwhahaha: cool, that will help and we also make sure to ping and fix any issue caused by tempest chanegs | 00:36 |
| gmann | we really appreciate if collaboration happen from both side | 00:37 |
| oomichi | mwhahaha: awesome, so you cannot complain us like the above https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321174/ in the future, because the puppet jobs failures will mean you also missed them | 00:38 |
| oomichi | both sides failures | 00:38 |
| mwhahaha | what? | 00:38 |
| mwhahaha | No it's well within my rights to ask about if someone missed the failures. Yes If i +1 the change then i have no right to complain. But to ignore the job results voting or not that doesn't mean you are absolved from the fall out when something merges and breaks everything. | 00:40 |
| mwhahaha | I must have missed the complaint that you guys are referring to | 00:41 |
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| gmann | mwhahaha: yea, thats main point. anyways we will ping on every failure and hoping you guys make it stable in cases of job failure | 00:42 |
| gmann | soon | 00:42 |
| mwhahaha | basically the only known issue right now is hitting the 1 hour timeout. so if it's red and took 1h 5m+ that's that issue | 00:42 |
| mwhahaha | so if you can make tempest test runs run faster, that'd help | 00:43 |
| mwhahaha | we were broken last week because of flakey tempest tests caused by a cinder change that exposed a pymysql bug | 00:43 |
| mwhahaha | so if there were simple ways to just disable single tests, that's make our CI much more stable because we would be able to address failures in a more targeted fashion | 00:44 |
| mwhahaha | anyway i'm off. | 00:45 |
| gmann | mwhahaha: that make sense and can eb disable if test causing failure | 00:45 |
| mwhahaha | Not I our setup so maybe we can go over that latet | 00:45 |
| mwhahaha | That's alot of typos. Let me try that again | 00:46 |
| mwhahaha | Not in our setup, maybe we can go over that later | 00:46 |
| gmann | yea | 00:46 |
| gmann | let's know if any test causing continoue failure | 00:47 |
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| oomichi | gmann: can you take a look at my response on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401036/ | 01:16 |
| oomichi | gmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401042/ also | 01:17 |
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| gmann | oomichi: +2 on last one | 01:24 |
| oomichi | gmann: thanks :) | 01:25 |
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| gmann | oomichi: on first one, i saw now you did that in other patch | 01:25 |
| gmann | oomichi: but did not understand your comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401036/1/tempest/api/compute/volumes/test_attach_volume.py | 01:25 |
| gmann | oomichi: impossible ? | 01:26 |
| oomichi | maybe you are saying like | 01:26 |
| oomichi | _create_and_attach_volume(self, server, device=None): | 01:26 |
| oomichi | oops typo | 01:26 |
| oomichi | def _create_and_attach_volume(self, server, device=None): | 01:26 |
| oomichi | if device is None: | 01:27 |
| oomichi | device = self.device | 01:27 |
| oomichi | or something, right? | 01:27 |
| oomichi | gmann: ^^^ | 01:27 |
| gmann | yea same you did in that patch | 01:27 |
| gmann | oomichi: but as you creating volume with no device in other patch i am ok with current patch also | 01:28 |
| oomichi | but if doing the above, the method cannot distinguish it should use self.device or not-specifying | 01:28 |
| oomichi | on another patch | 01:28 |
| gmann | oomichi: yea but you did change _create_and_attach_volume in this only https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401036/ | 01:29 |
| gmann | oomichi: anyways, m +2 on this too as other patch cover that so no hard thing to do in same patch | 01:30 |
| gmann | oomichi: till m not missing anything what you are saying :) | 01:30 |
| oomichi | gmann: ah, I am just saying if not passing self.device from caller sides, the method cannot distinguish using self.device or not specifying device on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401042 | 01:32 |
| oomichi | gmann: yeah, as you said, if seeing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401036/ only, we can do that. | 01:33 |
| oomichi | gmann: sorry about unreadable patch sequence | 01:33 |
| gmann | oomichi: ahh, you were taking for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401042 but you commented that in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401036/ | 01:33 |
| gmann | oomichi: anyways m +2 on both,i understand your comment now | 01:34 |
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| oomichi | gmann: thanks, btw your point on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401037/ is nice | 01:35 |
| gmann | oomichi: this seems conflicting with other patch - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401037/2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369355/20 | 01:35 |
| gmann | oomichi: yea | 01:35 |
| oomichi | gmann: yeah, I lose the race | 01:35 |
| gmann | oomichi: not only you but we also in reviewing that patch, that seems nice refactoring | 01:36 |
| gmann | oomichi: test_attach_volume seems very complex as of now | 01:36 |
| oomichi | gmann: yeah, I agree. that is very complex | 01:37 |
| gmann | oomichi: afte that i woudl like to split that tests as scenario and API as ssh and some thing there make sense as scenario tests | 01:37 |
| gmann | oomichi: what you think? | 01:37 |
| gmann | oomichi: we need microversion things in scenario manager also but would not be hard, just use fixture | 01:38 |
| gmann | oomichi: for https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/api/compute/volumes/test_attach_volume.py#L159 | 01:39 |
| gmann | oomichi: above and this makes sense in scenario tests - Skip to content Personal Open source Business Explore Pricing Blog Support This repository 69 271 385 openstack/tempest Code Pull requests 0 Projects 0 Pulse Graphs tempest/tempest/api/compute/volumes/test_attach_volume.py 49134ed on 19 Oct @zhufl zhufl Use common function create_volume to create test volume @ghanshyammann @sdague @mtreinish @afrittoli @masayukig @dk | 01:40 |
| gmann | ops sorry | 01:40 |
| gmann | oomichi: above and this makes sense in scenario tests - https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/api/compute/volumes/test_attach_volume.py#L89 | 01:40 |
| oomichi | gmann: yeah, ssh verifications were implemented in scenario only, but current is different | 01:40 |
| oomichi | gmann: I'd like to see the ssh verifications on scenario only because that is not API | 01:42 |
| gmann | oomichi: make sense | 01:42 |
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| gmann | oomichi: currently 3-4 API tests class does ssh | 01:43 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: I did bug triage and reported the summary on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-weekly-bug-report | 04:05 |
| oomichi | andreaf: and updated the graph of bug numbers on https://github.com/oomichi/bug-counter#current-graph | 04:06 |
| oomichi | andreaf: Sorry for offline the next irc meeting and I am glad that you lead it, thanks | 04:07 |
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