Thursday, 2018-05-31

openstackgerritFelipe Monteiro proposed openstack/tempest master: Add extra_msg and server parameter to check_vm_connectivity  https://review.openstack.org/51998500:05
openstackgerritFelipe Monteiro proposed openstack/tempest master: Do not check flavor.id after Microversion 2.46  https://review.openstack.org/55760000:05
openstackgerritFelipe Monteiro proposed openstack/tempest master: Modify quota set fields according to microversion  https://review.openstack.org/55728000:06
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gmannfelipemonteiro: can you check this series - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:scenario-tests-job+(status:open+OR+status:merged)00:25
felipemonteirogmann: sure00:29
gmannfelipemonteiro: thanks.00:29
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/tempest master: Set max_microversion 2.35 for nova security group tests  https://review.openstack.org/55710800:45
felipemonteirogmann: i think i'll need to pick up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507726/8 not only to support it in tempest but also patrole01:04
gmannfelipemonteiro: yeah, we need to do in patrole also. as of now its is only cinder01:05
felipemonteirogmann: i think keystone has already started to use system scope policies: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/common/policies/domain.py#L2801:07
gmannfelipemonteiro: yes, keystone already support and there is devstack patch(dependent one) which enables this for cinder01:08
gmannfelipemonteiro: on patrole side, you want to test system role also right?01:08
felipemonteiroyes we will need to for keystone gating01:09
gmannok01:10
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openstackgerritJeremy Zhang proposed openstack/tempest master: Switch to use primary credential in volume backup tests  https://review.openstack.org/57121301:23
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openstackgerritliuyamin proposed openstack/tempest master: Remove stale pip-missing-reqs tox test  https://review.openstack.org/57135701:52
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/tempest master: Migrate legacy scenario job to tempest in-tree  https://review.openstack.org/56816502:32
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1686542 in OpenStack-Gate "Generic job timeout bug" [Low,Confirmed]02:37
openstackgerritMasayuki Igawa proposed openstack/tempest master: Use inline literal markup for options in releasenotes  https://review.openstack.org/57136302:41
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/tempest master: Modify quota set fields according to microversion  https://review.openstack.org/55728004:38
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openstackgerritVishakha Agarwal proposed openstack/tempest master: To cleanup the awaiting-state volume  https://review.openstack.org/57015505:00
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openstackrecheckopenstack/puppet-tripleo change: https://review.openstack.org/568769 failed because of: tripleo-ci-centos-7-scenario000-multinode-oooq-container-updates: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/168654205:48
openstackLaunchpad bug 1686542 in OpenStack-Gate "Generic job timeout bug" [Low,Confirmed]05:48
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openstackgerritFelipe Monteiro proposed openstack/patrole master: Add RBAC tests for identity v3 application credentials API  https://review.openstack.org/57138306:05
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openstackgerritFelipe Monteiro proposed openstack/patrole master: Add RBAC tests for identity v3 application credentials API  https://review.openstack.org/57138306:06
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masayukiggmann: regarding to this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391947/62/tempest/api/compute/servers/test_device_tagging.py06:55
masayukigthe test name "test_device_tagging" and some class names are changed. But it looks like there's still usage in the other projects like this http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=test_device_tagging&i=nope&files=&repos=06:55
masayukiggmann: We don't need to care about that?06:55
gmannmasayukig: i think i have patch up for changing there also06:56
gmannlet me check06:56
masayukigk06:56
gmannmasayukig: we do not need to change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391947/58/tempest/api/compute/servers/test_device_tagging.py@15006:58
gmannmasayukig: it is only used in openstack / nova-lxd as comment06:58
masayukiggmann: hmm, but the comment says "# XXX: jamespage (08 June 2017): nova-lxd driver does not support device tagging"07:00
masayukigso, their test might be failed with this patch?07:00
masayukigbecause I guess they would like to skip the tests07:01
gmannmasayukig: so that is being taken care by L66-  http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova-lxd/tree/devstack/tempest-dsvm-lxd-rc#n6607:02
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gmannwhich is till file name only07:02
openstackgerritFederico Ressi proposed openstack/tempest master: Fix tests for call_until_true function.  https://review.openstack.org/55719907:03
masayukiggmann: ah! Thanks, I got it. I misread that.. :p07:03
masayukig+A07:04
gmannmasayukig: thanks.07:06
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openstackgerritKota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack-dev/devstack master: Add internal-client config integration for Swift  https://review.openstack.org/57139107:11
openstackgerritFederico Ressi proposed openstack/tempest master: Fix tests for call_until_true function.  https://review.openstack.org/55719907:17
openstackgerritFederico Ressi proposed openstack/tempest master: Forbid log to write to stdout  https://review.openstack.org/56007307:17
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openstackgerritFederico Ressi proposed openstack/tempest master: Fix test_http test case.  https://review.openstack.org/55910207:32
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openstackrecheckopenstack/python-ironicclient change: https://review.openstack.org/570373 failed build-openstack-sphinx-docs in the gate queue with an unrecognized error08:25
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openstackgerritFederico Ressi proposed openstack/tempest master: Fix support for proxy URL from tempest.conf  https://review.openstack.org/55906908:34
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/tempest master: Integration tests for tagged attach  https://review.openstack.org/39194708:49
openstackrecheckopenstack/tripleo-quickstart-extras change: https://review.openstack.org/569682 failed because of: tripleo-ci-centos-7-scenario007-multinode-oooq-container: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1708704 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/132681308:51
openstackLaunchpad bug 1708704 in OpenStack-Gate "yum client: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try" [Undecided,New]08:51
openstackLaunchpad bug 1326813 in OpenStack-Gate "Connectivity issues to pypi mirrors cause easy_install to fail." [Low,Confirmed]08:51
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gmannoffice hour time09:00
gmann#startmeeting qa09:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May 31 09:00:35 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'qa'09:00
gmannPING LIST- gmann, andreaf, masayukig, chandankumar, felipemonteiro09:00
gmannwho all here today?09:01
masayukigo/09:01
gmannmasayukig: may be two of us but let's wait for couple of min to start09:02
masayukiggmann: yeah, that's better09:02
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dmelladohi folks09:06
dmelladohow's the jet lag treating you so far09:06
dmellado?09:06
openstackgerritLiang Hao proposed openstack/tempest master: Wait for the status of floatingip reach to active in create_test_server  https://review.openstack.org/51756809:06
gmanndmellado: hi09:06
masayukigdmellado: hi09:06
gmanndmellado: its good now, been a week around09:07
masayukigdmellado: yeah, it's better than in Vancouver09:07
masayukigI came back to Tokyo on this Tuesday, though09:08
gmannlet's start09:08
gmann#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_Office_hours09:08
gmanntoday agenda ^^09:08
masayukigk09:09
gmann#topic Announcement and Action Item (Optional)09:09
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* masayukig has to go in 35 mins..09:10
gmannno announcements or AI09:10
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gmannone is we had good summit in vancouver :)09:10
gmannmasayukig: sure ll finish before that.09:11
gmann#topic Rocky Priority Items progress09:11
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masayukiggmann: thanks :)09:11
gmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-rocky-priorities-tracking09:11
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gmanni have few updates on this09:12
gmann2. Remove Deprecated APIs tests from Tempest. - gmann09:12
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/branch:master+topic:volume-default-testing-v309:12
gmannwe have all volume tests running against v3 now09:13
masayukiggmann: yay!09:13
gmannand added new job for v2 tests09:13
gmannwhich need devstack patch to merge which has 1 +209:13
gmannneed 1 more review on this #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/527910/09:13
gmannmtreinish: andreaf ^^ if you would like to review this.09:14
masayukiggmann: yeah, I'll review that. I have only +1 privilege, though :)09:14
gmannmasayukig: thanks that helps09:14
gmannnext is Tempest Microversion testing fixes - gmann09:15
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:fill-microversion-schema-gap09:15
gmannmost of them are merged and i think only 2 are left to fill the schema gap till queens release09:15
gmannthats all from me on Rocky priority09:16
gmannmasayukig: you have any updates09:16
masayukiggmann: nope, so far..09:17
gmannok let's mover next09:17
gmannmove09:17
gmann#topic OpenStack Events Updates and Planning09:18
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gmannCompleted: Vancouver Summit09:18
masayukig++09:18
gmannwe had good summit and good amount of feedback and discussion over QA09:18
masayukigyeah,09:18
gmannthough all discussion is captured on etherpad but i will summarize the QA summit and add other things which i had during other sessions09:19
masayukiggmann: great!09:19
gmann#action gmann to summarize the QA summit and send on ML09:19
gmannNext: Denver PTG09:19
* masayukig actually needs to send like that thing to his team :)09:20
gmanni added this item as PTG date and venue is up09:20
gmannbut we have time for PTG so i will add planning for that later09:20
gmannmasayukig: yea i also add the same directly in my summit report which save my time to prepare company report from scratch  :)09:21
masayukiggmann: ++ for the PTG planning09:22
masayukiggmann: heh09:22
gmann#topic Sub Teams highlights (Sub Teams means individual projects under QA program)09:22
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gmannTempest09:22
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open09:23
gmannopen review ^^09:23
gmannnothing much on this and we just keep doing the review09:23
masayukiggmann: yeah, but https://review.openstack.org/#/c/570620/09:24
gmannPatrole09:24
gmannmasayukig: yea, i have given comment there, overall it looks fine to me. only things i would like to see that section on top of doc than inside coding guide09:25
gmannmtreinish: might respin or reply his opinion09:25
gmannbut yea as policy we all agree on that during forum sessions09:25
masayukiggmann: yeah, maybe. We shouldn't nitpick that much :)09:25
openstackgerritLiang Hao proposed openstack/tempest master: Wait for the status of floatingip reach to active in create_test_server  https://review.openstack.org/51756809:26
gmannmasayukig: that is not nitpick but it is doc so i prefer to do in same patch :)\09:26
masayukiggmann: heh, ok. (controversial)09:26
gmanni am ok to do in followup but waiting for mtreinish reply. but i like to haver that in user guide or somewhere upper than coding guide09:27
masayukiggmann: yeah, I think that's worth to discuss on the gerrit09:28
gmannyeah09:28
gmannnext patrole09:28
gmannfeature flag things is merged - #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556136/09:29
gmannand multi-policy support initial patch is up #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/554764/09:29
gmanni will put this in my tomorrow list09:30
gmannanything else on subteam highlights?09:30
masayukigmaybe not?09:30
gmann#topic Bug Triage09:31
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gmanni think no progress on this but we need to start the bug triage things09:31
gmannll check with chandankumar on this09:31
masayukigyeah09:32
masayukigthx09:32
gmann#action gmann to check the Bug Triage progress or start again09:32
gmann#topic Open Discussion09:32
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gmannCritical Reviews09:33
gmanni have added 2 review in this, one already discussed which is devstack patch09:33
gmannanother is - #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/568166/09:33
gmannmasayukig: if you can check. this is middle patch in that series09:33
masayukiggmann: k, I put it on my list09:34
gmannmasayukig: thanks09:34
gmannanything else you have masayukig  to discuss09:35
masayukignothing from my side09:35
gmannok, we can close than09:35
gmanndmellado: anything from you, as you said hi :)09:35
dmelladoheh, not much09:36
gmannok09:36
dmelladoI'm releasing a new tag from the kuryr tempest plugin09:36
gmanndmellado: +109:36
masayukigdmellado: ++09:36
dmelladowhich will push the new version for python-kubernetes09:36
dmelladothat's it09:36
dmellado;)09:36
masayukig\o/09:36
gmanndmellado: we had a item on tag plugins, i will send in my summary mail and start a ML thread also09:37
gmannit is good to know at least you tag plugin09:37
masayukigIs the first project?09:37
gmanni think so09:38
masayukigcool! :)09:38
gmannok let's close. thanks for joining.09:38
gmann#endmeeting09:38
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openstackMeeting ended Thu May 31 09:38:57 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)09:38
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masayukiggmann: thanks for the chairing! Good day!09:39
gmannmasayukig: you too!09:39
openstackgerritNguyen Phuong An proposed openstack-dev/devstack master: [WIP]: WSGI Neutron integration  https://review.openstack.org/47371809:42
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openstackgerritFederico Ressi proposed openstack/tempest master: Fix tests for call_until_true function.  https://review.openstack.org/55719910:39
openstackgerritFederico Ressi proposed openstack/tempest master: Forbid log to write to stdout  https://review.openstack.org/56007310:39
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fricklergmann: I single-approved https://review.openstack.org/527910 now, it has been waiting for a long time and seems restricted to tempest volume testing only10:40
dmelladogmann: sure10:43
openstackgerritFederico Ressi proposed openstack/tempest master: Fix test_http test case.  https://review.openstack.org/55910210:46
openstackgerritFederico Ressi proposed openstack/tempest master: Fix support for proxy URL from tempest.conf  https://review.openstack.org/55906910:46
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artomgmann, masayukig, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391947/, wooo, thank you!11:19
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openstackrecheckopenstack/tripleo-heat-templates change: https://review.openstack.org/570226 failed because of: tripleo-ci-centos-7-scenario002-multinode-oooq-container: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/168654211:27
openstackLaunchpad bug 1686542 in OpenStack-Gate "Generic job timeout bug" [Low,Confirmed]11:27
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openstackgerritafazekas proposed openstack/tempest master: Remove python 2.6 docref  https://review.openstack.org/57144711:41
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openstackgerritLiron Kuchlani proposed openstack/tempest master: Delete a cg-snapshot following updated volumes  https://review.openstack.org/52907511:42
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-dev/devstack master: Add variable to set volume service version on tempest  https://review.openstack.org/52791012:25
openstackgerritMerged openstack/tempest master: Add cinder v2 experimental job  https://review.openstack.org/57046612:27
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gmannfrickler: agree and thanks.13:04
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openstackgerritFederico Ressi proposed openstack/tempest master: Fix tests for call_until_true function.  https://review.openstack.org/55719913:39
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openstackgerritFederico Ressi proposed openstack/tempest master: Fix test_http test case.  https://review.openstack.org/55910213:41
openstackgerritFederico Ressi proposed openstack/tempest master: Fix support for proxy URL from tempest.conf  https://review.openstack.org/55906913:41
openstackgerritFederico Ressi proposed openstack/tempest master: Forbid log to write to stdout  https://review.openstack.org/56007313:41
openstackgerritFederico Ressi proposed openstack/tempest master: Fix support for proxy URL from tempest.conf  https://review.openstack.org/55906913:45
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openstackgerritFederico Ressi proposed openstack/tempest master: Fix support for proxy URL from tempest.conf  https://review.openstack.org/55906913:50
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openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack-dev/devstack master: doc: Describe running a command as a separate group  https://review.openstack.org/57148713:52
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mriedemmtreinish: gmann: we're going to be removing the nova-net specific os-virtual-interfaces API in nova https://review.openstack.org/#/c/569923/ and change it to return a 410; there is one tempest test that hits this even if you're using neutron and just asserts an error is returned: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/api/compute/servers/test_virtual_interfaces.py#n5314:25
mriedemwould you rather we just skip that test if running neutron,14:26
mriedemor also handle 410?14:26
mriedemnote that "# TODO(mriedem): After a microversion implements the API for" isn't going to happen14:26
mriedemgranted you could be running tempest from master against nova-network on a pike cloud, so not really sure what to do here, except maybe graciously handle 410 in all cases?14:27
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mtreinishmriedem: I feel like if neutron is enabled we should check whether it should be 410 if the max microversion indicates that, else check for the 40014:33
mriedemhmm,14:33
mriedemso if max_microversion < rocky, assert 400 for neutron?14:33
mriedembecause >= rocky, it's going to be a 410 on all microversions14:34
mriedembecause the code will literally be gone14:34
mriedemmtreinish: is ^ what you're thinking?14:34
mtreinishyeah, at least that's what I'm thinking and mark the test for removal after the end of queens14:34
mriedemok14:34
mriedemnot sure what "after the end of queens" means14:35
mriedemonce tempest no longer supports queens?14:35
mtreinishyeah14:35
mriedemi.e. queens goes into EM mode14:35
mtreinishI wanted to say queens eol, but that's not a thing anymore...14:35
mriedemgiven our fancy new phrasing14:35
mriedemright14:35
mriedemok i'll see what i can whip up here, thanks14:35
openstackgerritMerged openstack-dev/devstack master: swift expects an internal client config to start  https://review.openstack.org/57086914:36
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openstackrecheckopenstack/tripleo-heat-templates change: https://review.openstack.org/566419 failed because of: tripleo-ci-centos-7-scenario002-multinode-oooq-container: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/168654214:57
openstackLaunchpad bug 1686542 in OpenStack-Gate "Generic job timeout bug" [Low,Confirmed]14:57
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openstackgerritKen'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/tempest master: Document branch support policy for extended maint branches  https://review.openstack.org/57062016:08
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openstackgerritChi Lo proposed openstack/patrole master: Updated RBAC test cases for cinder  https://review.openstack.org/57151516:13
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andreafo/17:00
andreafit's office hours time - there's no agenda or anything but I'll be around if anyone has questions17:01
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afazekasLooks like we have a defined meeting reservation as well.17:10
afazekashttp://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/irc-meetings/tree/meetings/qa-team-meeting.yaml17:11
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openstackgerritFelipe Monteiro proposed openstack/patrole master: Docs: Add documentation on policy feature flags  https://review.openstack.org/55670917:36
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openstackrecheckopenstack/tripleo-heat-templates change: https://review.openstack.org/567265 failed because of: tripleo-ci-centos-7-scenario001-multinode-oooq-container: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/168654218:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1686542 in OpenStack-Gate "Generic job timeout bug" [Low,Confirmed]18:06
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openstackrecheckopenstack/nova change: https://review.openstack.org/561851 failed because of: nova-live-migration: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1706377 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/176179818:24
openstackLaunchpad bug 1706377 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "(libvirt) live migration fails on source host due to "Assertion `!(bs->open_flags & BDRV_O_INACTIVE)' failed."" [Undecided,Confirmed]18:24
openstackLaunchpad bug 1761798 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "live migration intermittently fails in CI with "VQ 0 size 0x80 Guest index 0x12c inconsistent with Host index 0x134: delta 0xfff8"" [Medium,Confirmed]18:24
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openstackgerritCliff Parsons proposed openstack/patrole master: Add support for handling multiple error codes  https://review.openstack.org/57026218:41
openstackgerritMerged openstack/patrole master: docs: Add Patrole RBAC field guide  https://review.openstack.org/55959718:42
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felipemonteiromasayukig andreaf: do you know if there is a formal process for dropping inactive cores from patrole? mailing list or does qa ptl have to do it?18:51
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mtreinishfelipemonteiro: a ml post isn't mandatory, especially on smaller projects. It would be good to talk to gmann about it first though18:59
mtreinishjust so he is aware of the changes18:59
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felipemonteiromtreinish: thanks, will do so. he actually asked me like 1 month ago so will follow up19:00
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openstackgerritFelipe Monteiro proposed openstack/patrole master: Docs: Add documentation on policy feature flags  https://review.openstack.org/55670919:03
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/tempest master: Cap VirtualInterfacesTestJSON at Queens  https://review.openstack.org/57155619:16
mriedemmtreinish: rather than play the microversion / 410 dance, i just capped it ^19:16
mriedemwe test the 410 in tree19:16
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openstackgerritRick Bartra proposed openstack/patrole master: Refactor `test_confirm_resize_server` to pass for all roles  https://review.openstack.org/57155819:26
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openstackgerritFelipe Monteiro proposed openstack/patrole master: Docs: Add requirements authority module to documentation  https://review.openstack.org/57155919:44
openstackgerritFelipe Monteiro proposed openstack/patrole master: Docs: Add requirements authority module to documentation  https://review.openstack.org/57155919:50
openstackgerritFelipe Monteiro proposed openstack/patrole master: Docs: Add requirements authority module to documentation  https://review.openstack.org/57155919:51
openstackrecheckopenstack/python-glanceclient change: https://review.openstack.org/566080 failed legacy-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src in the gate queue with an unrecognized error19:53
openstackgerritMerged openstack/patrole master: Docs: Add documentation on policy feature flags  https://review.openstack.org/55670919:53
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openstackgerritmelanie witt proposed openstack-dev/grenade master: DNM Revert "Stop using openstack server remove floating ip"  https://review.openstack.org/57156420:11
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openstackrecheckopenstack/puppet-tripleo change: https://review.openstack.org/571064 failed because of: tripleo-ci-centos-7-scenario002-multinode-oooq-container: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/168654221:21
openstackLaunchpad bug 1686542 in OpenStack-Gate "Generic job timeout bug" [Low,Confirmed]21:21
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openstackgerritCliff Parsons proposed openstack/patrole master: Add support for handling multiple error codes  https://review.openstack.org/57026221:27
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openstackgerritmelanie witt proposed openstack-dev/grenade master: DNM Revert "Stop using openstack server remove floating ip"  https://review.openstack.org/57156421:44
openstackgerritChi Lo proposed openstack/patrole master: Updated RBAC test cases for cinder  https://review.openstack.org/57151521:57
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openstackgerritTin Lam proposed openstack/tempest master: Remove force_tenant_isolation from Cinder tests  https://review.openstack.org/52324122:08
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openstackgerritFelipe Monteiro proposed openstack/patrole master: Move RbacAuthority class into separate module  https://review.openstack.org/57002523:29
openstackgerritFelipe Monteiro proposed openstack/patrole master: Docs: Add requirements authority module to documentation  https://review.openstack.org/57155923:29
openstackgerritmelanie witt proposed openstack-dev/grenade master: DNM Revert "Stop using openstack server remove floating ip"  https://review.openstack.org/57156423:32
openstackgerritFelipe Monteiro proposed openstack/patrole master: Add docstrings for requirements_authority module  https://review.openstack.org/57159423:53
openstackgerritFelipe Monteiro proposed openstack/patrole master: Add docstrings for requirements_authority module  https://review.openstack.org/57159423:56
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