Friday, 2015-11-20

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openstackgerritAlan Pevec proposed openstack/releases: Post-festum record of integrated Juno point release 2014.2.4
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases: Post-festum record of integrated Juno point release 2014.2.4
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases: ironic-lib 0.4.0
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dimsttx : need your input on this thread please - (oh and the review)11:32
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ttxmy take is to wait for fungi to get back from vacation, as I posted in another part of that thread12:40
sdagueI think that people who have never debugged a grenade fail asking to keep grenade around on dead trees is not a good idea13:01
odyssey4mewould it perhaps make some sort of sense to have the -eol branch, but still allow patches to it... the patches being completely untested and therefore relying on external CI of some sort for testing?13:04
odyssey4meie the burden goes directly to any distributors who care about keeping the branch alive for whatever reason13:05
sdagueodyssey4me: there are lots of things that could work, if anyone actually showed up to do work13:11
sdaguealso, providing a branch from openstack which is getting vendor changes which may or may not be compatible with upstream, and with the ability to upgrade into an upstream supported branch, seems weird13:12
odyssey4mepersonally I'm a believer in driving things forward, instead of condoning holding back13:17
sdagueyeh, I'm also a bit tired of having the same conversation every 6 months13:17
odyssey4methose who hold back should perhaps be forking the repositories and doing whatever they need to do on their own terms13:17
odyssey4meand therefore also taking responsibility for handling the upgrade from their forks13:18
Jokke_sdague: that's why I asked what the cost would be to make it happen as there seems to be request and will to put people on it13:20
odyssey4meI really do believe that the effort would be better spent into making upgrading between openstack versions easier13:21
Jokke_sdague: I wouldn't even had that discussion without the requesting parties actually coming up with will to put people into that as well13:21
Jokke_odyssey4me: agreed, do you have resource to throw to that priority of yours, I don't13:22
sdagueJokke_: there is no will to put people on it. We've done this dance every 6 months for the last 2 years.13:23
sdagueodyssey4me: ++13:24
odyssey4meJokke_ yes, sometimes all it needs is the right conversation - for instance a conversation at the summit with one of the keystone cores resulted in
Jokke_sdague: wrong ... Huawei seems to have engineer in Rockys disposal for that work13:24
sdaguemaking upgrades smooth is where the energy should be spent13:24
sdagueJokke_: rockys has not contributed to any of the stable branch work so far13:25
sdagueI don't accept promisses on this one13:25
sdaguepeople that are being volunteered need to first demonstrably contribute to existing supported stable branches13:26
openstackgerritIhar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/releases: Neutron 7.0.1
sdagueand once that clearly has extra capacity, new ones can be added13:26
odyssey4meJokke_ also, in OpenStack-Ansible we're busy looking for input into a framework for upgrades that work, which will be the base of a spec to deliver in the Mitaka timeframe:
odyssey4mebut the smoothe upgrade commitment has to be made through the whole stack - from the core services, all the way down into the deployment tooling13:27
Jokke_odyssey4me: sounds interesting13:28
sdagueright, upgrades aren't a technology, they are a systemic approach to the world13:28
Jokke_odyssey4me: and yest that needs total culture change before people starts understanding even what the impact on their change is to upgrade13:29
Jokke_and the teams starts to review based on that and actually care about it13:29
odyssey4meJokke_ yes, and unless we all play a part in demanding that change then it'll never happen13:31
openstackgerritMonty Taylor proposed openstack/releases: Release 1.11.0 of os-client-config
mordredJokke_: I agree with sdague - there is plenty of work availble in current stable maint and grenade realms - and traditionally almost nobody shows up to do it13:34
mordredJokke_: so the best way to get any of us who are negative towards longer lived branches to change our tune is for the people interested in it to show up and help with the existing work13:34
mordredJokke_: then those people suggesting creating more work will be in a better position to be believed13:35
mordreddhellmann, dims, ttx: when one of you is around, the above occ release request is to help deal with a problem we saw in infra prod yesterday13:36
ttxdims: available to take it ? I already have the Solum one on my plate13:37
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dhellmannttx, dims : I'll get it13:49
dhellmannttx, dims: I'm around for our meeting this morning, then out the rest of the day13:49
dimsthanks dhellmann13:52
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases: Release 1.11.0 of os-client-config
ttxdhellmann: while you're at it could you do python-solumclient ?13:54
ttxI'm doing solum proper13:54
dhellmannttx: sure13:54
ttxpart of
dhellmannttx: is that merged?13:55
ttxnot yet, was waiting for solumclient13:55
Jokke_mordred: I do see the point (and share that pain) ... the reason why I got to the discussion how much it would need to give the approach a try, what was requested is that the current approach to "motivate" people to get involved is clearly not working. If we can try something like keeping the grenade jobs running for kilo and get new people involved without keeping/increasing the workload, to make it happen, with the current maintaine13:55
ttx(tag on solum is in progress, so all good for my side)13:55
dhellmannttx: ok, I usually approve the changes so I can run the script against a local file. I'll go ahead and do that when I start the client release.13:56
mordreddhellmann: thanks!13:57
* ttx is having a fun day fixing all the new glitches in Ubuntu 15.1013:57
ttxand none of the 15.04 glitches seem to be fixed.13:57
mordredJokke_: yah. totally understand to intent and am supportive of its goals13:58
mordredttx: I've been very much enjoying being back on debian13:58
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases: solum and python-solumclient release
ttxmordred: was having dinner with Stefano Zachirolli wednesday and he nearly convinced me13:58
mordredttx: I'm running jessie with the mozilla-maint backport repo for firefox and it's totally solid13:58
mordredttx: I have absolutely no issues with linux on my laptop13:59
mordredI'm also using the Mate desktop which is a direct option from debian13:59
ttxI have no issue with linux on my maptop. I have issues with crazy half-baked unity13:59
ttxoh well. One day I'm not lazy i'll switch14:00
odyssey4mehaha, "when you're not lazy"14:00
Jokke_I have to say that Debian 8 is pleasure ... running it on my laptop as well14:01
mordredso it's like i'm running Maverick except with updated kernel and browser14:02
mordredit's pretty awesome14:02
dhellmannttx: solumclient release is done14:02
Jokke_although my wm is years old fork of DWM ;)14:03
ttxdhellmann: are we having the meeting ?14:03
dhellmannttx: meeting?14:03
ttxlet's do that14:03
ttxsolum mostly done14:03
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openstackgerritMonty Taylor proposed openstack/releases: Document an EOL and release dates
mordreddhellmann, ttx, dims: ^^ :)14:47
mriedemflaper87: have you thought about making a 1.0.0 glance_store?14:50
mriedemflaper87: i'm going to request a new release and from looking at the change log, there isn't anything super major that would be a 1.0.0, but it's definitely a 0.10.014:51
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases: mitaka: release glance-store 0.10.0
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases: mitaka: release glance-store 0.10.0
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ttxdhellmann: feeling comfortable drafting the ML thread ? Or would you prefer I do it ?15:02
* ttx might not have enough brain juice left to do it today15:02
dhellmannttx: I was just writing to ask you to start summarizing that discussion.15:02
ttxI'm fine doing it early next week though15:03
dhellmannmonday works15:03
dhellmannor whatever, early next week15:03
ttxI'll see if I have some time left today15:03
ttxanyway I'll etherpad it15:03
dhellmannsounds good, thanks15:03
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dimsdhellmann : ah the joys of locking everything down15:05
dhellmanndims : mostly it's just "move anything that might kill her to doug's office and clean the tub" :-)15:05
dhellmannit's a little crowded in here now with the exercise bike, cat ladder, and various random boxes15:06
dhellmannit's a good thing I'm not trying to work today ;-)15:06
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dims:) have a good weekend15:10
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Jokke_dhellmann: LOL15:33
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/reno: scan all changes and filter on files in reno not git log
openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/reno: add verbose and quiet options to command line for debugging
openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/reno: force the right return type for mocked urandom
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AJaegerdhellmann: did you see my inline question on ?16:59
AJaeger(urandom on reno)17:00
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ttxAJaeger: I suspect not which is why I didn't +2 it17:11
sdaguettx: we should totally eol mitaka a year early17:12
sdaguekeeps people on their toes17:12
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flaper87mriedem: no 1.0, 0.10 sounds good17:52
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openstackgerritMonty Taylor proposed openstack/releases: Bugfix release of os-client-config
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mordreddims, ttx: sorry to bug you ... ^^ the last release exposed an untested (and broken) interface. both the fix and a test for the interface are now in place18:14
dimsmordred ack will take care of it in the next 30 mins or so18:15
mordreddims: thank you!18:15
mordreddims: I will email you a beer18:15
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mriedemdims: planning oslo.messaging release on monday?19:17
mriedemor should i put up the request?19:17
dimsi am planning mriedem19:17
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