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| prometheanfire | sdake_: I think he might be on a plane now (work with him) | 03:04 |
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| prometheanfire | sdake_: I'm gonna be in that same session though, questions? | 03:04 |
| sdake_ | which session ? | 03:05 |
| sdake_ | sorry - need context :) | 03:05 |
| prometheanfire | sdake_: stable maint one | 03:10 |
| prometheanfire | about extending support iirc | 03:10 |
| sdake_ | oh | 03:10 |
| sdake_ | nah i just wanted to settle on what is acceptable re blessing a zstream tag | 03:10 |
| prometheanfire | ah, not familiar with zstream | 03:10 |
| sdake_ | x.y.z | 03:12 |
| sdake_ | e.g when we release kolla 2.0.1 in 40-45 days | 03:12 |
| sdake_ | i read through the folows-stable policy in the gov repo | 03:12 |
| prometheanfire | ah, you are a kola person :P | 03:12 |
| sdake_ | i didn't know we had a following ;) | 03:13 |
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| prometheanfire | work with one of your devs LO | 03:14 |
| prometheanfire | :P | 03:14 |
| prometheanfire | and I work on OSA, so many discussions are had | 03:14 |
| prometheanfire | also used to work with SamYaple, if only briefly | 03:16 |
| sdake | dicussions had about which | 03:23 |
| sdake | kolla? | 03:23 |
| sdake | prometheanfire interesting there are alot of discussions about kolla in the osad community, we don't realy think of osad as a competitor so we dont really discuss it much | 03:24 |
| prometheanfire | sdake: we just have worked with some of your devs is all | 03:25 |
| sdake | we share all info freely we come across | 03:26 |
| prometheanfire | honestly, all deployment tools compete with eachother, but I don't think that's a bad thing | 03:26 |
| prometheanfire | and we share as well, afaik | 03:26 |
| prometheanfire | personally, I think kolla is neat, but needs scale testing and maturity | 03:26 |
| sdake | possible - big community i am only 1 person out of 100 contribtors in the last 6 months | 03:26 |
| prometheanfire | generally | 03:26 |
| prometheanfire | yarp | 03:26 |
| sdake | we have had scale testing at 64 nodes | 03:27 |
| sdake | works well after we tuned it | 03:27 |
| prometheanfire | I'm talking at least 250 :P | 03:27 |
| prometheanfire | preferably at the same OSA has at 1k | 03:27 |
| prometheanfire | and that's kilo iirc | 03:27 |
| sdake | nice | 03:27 |
| prometheanfire | yarp | 03:28 |
| sdake | we are actually getting 136 nodes for 3 weeks of scale tetsting/benchmarking/improvements | 03:28 |
| prometheanfire | iirc, mikael (not sure about spelling) is doing some testing in osic | 03:28 |
| prometheanfire | osic? | 03:28 |
| prometheanfire | nice | 03:28 |
| sdake | kolla at m is targeted at 100 node scale count | 03:28 |
| prometheanfire | that's progress :P | 03:29 |
| sdake | 3 racks of gear makes a pretty massive oepnstack environment | 03:29 |
| prometheanfire | massive for some :D | 03:29 |
| sdake | atm we have tested at 64 nodes so about 1.5 racks of gear | 03:29 |
| prometheanfire | not for others | 03:29 |
| sdake | ourbottlenecks are rabbitmq and mariadb | 03:29 |
| prometheanfire | but ya, that'd be good for a medium business I think | 03:29 |
| sdake | 90% of the market is 100 nodes or less | 03:30 |
| prometheanfire | ya, rabbit is OSA's biggest badness | 03:30 |
| prometheanfire | and neutron now | 03:30 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 03:30 |
| prometheanfire | we may be aiming at diferent markets | 03:30 |
| sdake | i don't want to limit SAM out of our TAM arbitrarily | 03:31 |
| prometheanfire | ? | 03:31 |
| sdake | tAM=total available market | 03:31 |
| sdake | sam = service addressible market | 03:31 |
| prometheanfire | ah | 03:31 |
| prometheanfire | gotcha | 03:31 |
| sdake | sam = the stuff your projectcan address | 03:31 |
| prometheanfire | ya, honestly there's some convergence, mainly in that we are shipping around venvs now instead of building them at the target | 03:32 |
| sdake | but until someooen puts up gear for me to test 1k nodes, i can't test 1k nodes :) | 03:32 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 03:32 |
| prometheanfire | you can ask osic for some | 03:32 |
| prometheanfire | but will likely be 250 max | 03:33 |
| sdake | yup | 03:33 |
| sdake | i'd like to start with 100 and go from there | 03:33 |
| sdake | 64 nodes required changing 3 defaults | 03:33 |
| prometheanfire | I would make a request from osic honestly | 03:34 |
| sdake | good idea | 03:34 |
| sdake | we just released friday | 03:34 |
| prometheanfire | couldn't hurt | 03:34 |
| sdake | so been pretty heads down getting everythign ffinished up | 03:34 |
| prometheanfire | just released mitaka? | 03:34 |
| sdake | yup | 03:34 |
| prometheanfire | grats | 03:35 |
| prometheanfire | we released, but still have upgrades to do | 03:35 |
| sdake | we have upgrades in our release | 03:35 |
| * prometheanfire can't wait for projects to allow/do more in place upgrades | 03:35 | |
| prometheanfire | k->l? | 03:35 |
| sdake | liberty->mitaka | 03:36 |
| sdake | mitaka->beyond | 03:36 |
| prometheanfire | ah, right | 03:36 |
| prometheanfire | l->m | 03:36 |
| prometheanfire | grats, we did the m release, but our .1 is the upgrade release | 03:36 |
| prometheanfire | so 13.1 iirc | 03:36 |
| sdake | ya our 1=y stream for liberty is our upgadeable from liberty->mitaka version | 03:36 |
| sdake | i.e. 1.1.0->2.0.0 | 03:37 |
| prometheanfire | ah | 03:37 |
| prometheanfire | for us it's 1.x.x->2.1.0 | 03:37 |
| sdake | we wer ejammed up because of a data loss problem that was unfixable in liberty | 03:37 |
| sdake | we are relesing 1.1.0 to addres s it shortly ater summit | 03:38 |
| prometheanfire | ah | 03:38 |
| prometheanfire | ya, we've had to be careful | 03:38 |
| prometheanfire | vxlan changes almost bit us | 03:38 |
| sdake | https://hub.docker.com/search/?isAutomated=0&isOfficial=0&page=4&pullCount=0&q=kollaglue%2F&starCount=0 | 03:39 |
| sdake | those are our released containers | 03:39 |
| prometheanfire | docker security still bothers me :P | 03:40 |
| prometheanfire | but I'm a hardened dev, so kinda paranoid by default | 03:40 |
| sdake | we drop root in all containers | 03:40 |
| prometheanfire | not that, docker :D | 03:40 |
| sdake | we have a solid security implementation | 03:41 |
| prometheanfire | I honestly haven't reviewed it in depth, just a first glance thing | 03:41 |
| sdake | not concerned about security of the system - we are as secure as openstack is - if someone breaks into an openstack daemon in some way the worst that will happen is they will have non-root privs in a container | 03:42 |
| prometheanfire | lol, true | 03:42 |
| sdake | that is really wher ethe threat lies, in opentack itself | 03:42 |
| prometheanfire | there are things like octavia that wory me mroe sec wise | 03:43 |
| sdake | not familiar with that | 03:43 |
| prometheanfire | it's a neutron thing, spins up anyting L3 in a tenant VM | 03:44 |
| prometheanfire | which sounds nice, til you learn it's the admin tenant | 03:44 |
| sdake | i see neutron lbaas | 03:44 |
| prometheanfire | ya, lbaas is it's main thing iirc | 03:44 |
| sdake | prometheanfire i find it fascinating how many people tagged theirtalks with #kolla https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=kolla | 03:49 |
| prometheanfire | ya, you got that docker hype going for you :P | 03:50 |
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| sdake | image based upgrades and online reconfiguration are a plus ;) | 03:56 |
| prometheanfire | debatable :P | 03:56 |
| sdake | kolla's mission is to operate openstack clouds not justdeplooy them ;) | 03:57 |
| prometheanfire | ditto | 03:57 |
| prometheanfire | the main diff between us is docker and image based | 03:57 |
| prometheanfire | we do lxc and non-pure image | 03:57 |
| prometheanfire | I like to think we are pragmatic | 03:57 |
| sdake | a peer of mine spent 2 weeks evaling osad about 1.5 years ago before i kicked kolla into high gear | 03:58 |
| sdake | so i am familiar with it at its state back then | 03:58 |
| prometheanfire | I will say that 1.5 years is a LONG time | 03:58 |
| prometheanfire | we've made some fairly major changes since then | 03:58 |
| prometheanfire | SamYaple: hi :P | 03:58 |
| sdake | granted we went from a dead project to strongly emergent in that time | 03:59 |
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| SamYaple | prometheanfire: hi | 13:47 |
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| prometheanfire | SamYaple: :D | 15:07 |
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