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| odyssey4me | hi everyone - welcome back from the summit week... | 09:26 |
| odyssey4me | If possible it'd be great if https://review.openstack.org/309323 and https://review.openstack.org/309324 could be processed today. | 09:26 |
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| dims | odyssey4me : neither of them hit pypi i presume (from past discussion) as pypi mirroring is broke at the moment. one of them needs a recheck too | 12:17 |
| odyssey4me | dims we don't publish tarballs, or anything to pypi | 12:18 |
| odyssey4me | our releases only have docs/releasenotes post jobs | 12:18 |
| dims | ack. so let's recheck the 309324 and i'll take care of it today | 12:19 |
| dims | thanks odyssey4me | 12:19 |
| odyssey4me | the one that's failed is failing because the one it depends on is not done - so it won't pass until the other tag is implemented | 12:19 |
| odyssey4me | thanks dims | 12:19 |
| dims | odyssey4me : ah i see | 12:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases: Release OpenStack-Ansible Liberty/12.0.11 https://review.openstack.org/309323 | 12:28 |
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| odyssey4me | thanks dims - https://review.openstack.org/309324 has passed now :) | 12:54 |
| dims | ack processing the other one now | 12:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases: Release OpenStack-Ansible Kilo/11.2.14 https://review.openstack.org/309324 | 12:58 |
| odyssey4me | awesome, thanks dims | 12:58 |
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| dhellmann | AJaeger : +2a on the babel tests | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | harlowja : I see an feature/amqp-dispatch-router branch, so I think you're set but let me know if not | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | dims, ttx: hi | 14:29 |
| AJaeger | thanks, dhellmann | 14:36 |
| dims | dhellmann : y harlowja is all set | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : np, thanks for sealing that hole | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | dims : cool, thanks | 14:39 |
| dims | dhellmann : i took care of some ansible release this AM. totally avoiding anything that goes to pypi as mirroring is broken. ETA from infra is friday if we are lucky | 14:40 |
| ttx | dhellmann: o/ | 14:42 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I'm off Thu/Fri so we might want to go through the newton-plan etherpad and finish what we couldn't finish reviewing Friday | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | dims : ack, we should probably announce the release freeze if we expect it to last that long | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | ttx: good idea, give me a few minutes? | 14:43 |
| ttx | sure | 14:43 |
| dims | dhellmann : +1 | 14:43 |
| dims | dhellmann : was there some more details on ocata release schedule? only thing i found was ttx's blog post | 14:46 |
| ttx | dims: we need to adjust based on discussion between R-2 and R+0 | 14:49 |
| ttx | and date for PTG | 14:49 |
| dims | ttx : ack thanks | 14:50 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I may have to multiplex with stable meeting if it happens | 14:51 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: I'm back. we can wait for the stable meeting to finish (I should attend, too) or schedule it for earlier tomorrow if that works | 14:58 |
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| ttx | o/ | 15:40 |
| ttx | sorry; got into a parallel discussion | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | np | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | I'm still catching up on -dev in between other discussions | 15:41 |
| ttx | shall we talk now ? I have about 20min | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | sure | 15:43 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: we didn't cover "Final release process improvements" but I think we hit most of the rest of it | 15:45 |
| ttx | ok, let's look at that | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | we started on the status tracking dashboard idea in one conversation, but I don't think we got very far with that | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | we can use the releases site to track what the current release is, but we don't have a good way to track what we're waiting for elsewhere | 15:47 |
| ttx | question is... should we care ? | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | though now that I'm saying this I remember talking about just not waiting or tracking that and having the liaisons worry about it | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 15:48 |
| ttx | I think we can take the stance of releases being what they make of it | 15:48 |
| ttx | and limit ourselves to basic date-based nagging | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | someone suggested using a WIP release patch as notification that they anticipate another RC, and beyond that we don't need to track the details | 15:48 |
| ttx | and we said they should handle the tranlsations import / refresh | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 15:49 |
| ttx | Let's focus on documenting that | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | we're going to have to write a lot more -- exactly | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | added as 1.5 | 15:49 |
| ttx | that actually triggers another question | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | those patches will show up on our existing dashboard so we don't need a new one | 15:50 |
| ttx | do we really need the release-time ACL | 15:50 |
| ttx | I think we do | 15:50 |
| ttx | we want approvers there to be the people that know the rules | 15:50 |
| ttx | and we kinda want overriding power (rather than ask the stable team) | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | overriding for +2 or for -2 or for both? | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | I know we used +2a this last cycle on some of the changes | 15:51 |
| ttx | for both | 15:51 |
| ttx | in case we need | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | makes sense | 15:51 |
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| ttx | next point bleeds into the release status dashboard discussion | 15:52 |
| ttx | we may want to track it if we do such a dashboard | 15:53 |
| ttx | but not a "need to have" | 15:53 |
| ttx | think of it as a tracker that shows last RCs, last translation import etc | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I was going to mark it off as not needed, since we're going to rely on the liaisons to keep up with it | 15:53 |
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| dhellmann | but sure, we could come up with a gerrit query to show that | 15:54 |
| ttx | still useful to include in a global view if we ever build one | 15:54 |
| ttx | but not a necessary improvement | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | we did discuss validating stable backports, but I don't feel like we resolved that | 15:54 |
| ttx | do we have another chapter in that doc that mentions the dashboard | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | the doc we're going to write this cycle? | 15:55 |
| ttx | no the etherpad | 15:55 |
| dhellmann | oh | 15:55 |
| dhellmann | hmm | 15:55 |
| ttx | wanted to move the suggested feature | 15:55 |
| dhellmann | no, I don't think so | 15:55 |
| ttx | ok, will create above under comms | 15:56 |
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| ttx | ok done | 15:57 |
| ttx | On the topic of validating stable backports... | 15:57 |
| ttx | fungi suggested we used separate Change-IDs, and depends-on | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | would we have to change the way the backport button in gerrit works for that? | 15:58 |
| ttx | but still difficult to validate that something is a straight backport | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 15:58 |
| ttx | I think this one is an open question | 15:58 |
| fungi | yeah, that was an off-the-cuff idea to work around it, but i may not have considered the "backport button" | 15:59 |
| ttx | FOr this cycle I would just focus on documenting the rule so that it's pretty clear to release-liaison | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that needs more thought | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | right | 15:59 |
| ttx | and narrow down the group to make sure people are aware of the rule | 15:59 |
| ttx | I would keep the doc smallish so that the rules are pretty simple and clear | 15:59 |
| fungi | i can dig into it later, keeping an eye on the openssl situation at the moment | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | fungi: it isn't a priority atm | 16:00 |
| ttx | fungi: no urgency, it's more of a general discussion and should include stable | 16:00 |
| ttx | we have plenty to do before it comes to that | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | we're finishing the discussion from friday where we ran out of time | 16:00 |
| fungi | indeed. the biergarten was far more compelling at that point in the day | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | ttx: that traffic light indicator would be useful for cases like this week, too | 16:02 |
| ttx | ok, yeah, keep on postponing it | 16:02 |
| ttx | At one point during this cycle I'll need a fun coding project to get some air, might pick that | 16:03 |
| ttx | I think the rest of the section is covered | 16:03 |
| ttx | Anything else we should review ? | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | I feel like we've covered the big items | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | there were some automation things down below line 147 | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | I need to talk to fungi about "automate submitting constraints update when tagging a release" to make sure the tagging node can do that, or find out if we need another separate script for that step | 16:05 |
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| dhellmann | same for creating branches automatically | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | that's a low priority, though | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | other than those, I think we've covered this pretty well | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | I need to review my notes, and I'll set up the calendar etherpads this week for tracking week to week | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | other than summarizing the release sessions from last week are there any important things to announce this week? anything to go in the countdown email? | 16:07 |
| notmyname | dhellmann: sorry for channel hijacking, but where's the right place to find oslo.messaging people and ask questions? | 16:07 |
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| notmyname | ah. I just found #openstack-oslo. initial channel search hadn't loaded it yet. nm | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | notmyname : #openstack-oslo, ask for sileht, dims, or harlowja | 16:08 |
| notmyname | thanks :-) | 16:08 |
| ttx | dhellmann: nothing I think | 16:10 |
| ttx | dhellmann: did you create a separate etherpad for the big calendar ? | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | ttx: not yet. I was going to create 4 (one for each milestone, and a final) | 16:10 |
| ttx | oh, it's at the bottom of this one | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | unless you think that's overkill? | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | yeah, i was going to move that content before it gets too big | 16:11 |
| ttx | Hmm, how about one doc for the things we need to chnage, and one doc for cycle tracking ? | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | I think we ended up with 2 tracking pads last time because of the amount of notes, but we could start out that way | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | with just 1 | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | and break it up if we need to | 16:12 |
| ttx | I think we did two because the main action list was there too | 16:12 |
| ttx | oh well | 16:12 |
| ttx | I would go with 2 -- TODOs and Calendar | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-tracking | 16:13 |
| ttx | And maybe add milestone targets to TODOs once we have an idea of when we should deliver that feature | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | good idea | 16:15 |
| ttx | adding a few items on the release manager doc | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I think we want a standalone guide for that, instead of adding to the PTG. What do you think? | 16:16 |
| ttx | yes | 16:16 |
| ttx | we can point to it from the PTG | 16:16 |
| ttx | Also we might want to separate "how to release (push tag)" from "how to handle release cycle" | 16:17 |
| ttx | the guide should be for previously-managed things that use us for tagging | 16:17 |
| ttx | how to release is an infra guide matter | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | good point | 16:17 |
| ttx | cleaning up redundant items | 16:18 |
| ttx | alright, I think we are good | 16:22 |
| ttx | (and we have enough) | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | yeah, lots to do again :-) | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | I'll be going through the list again myself, along with my paper notes from the summit | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | I can take a stab at assigning milestones to things at that point | 16:22 |
| ttx | At next meeting (not this Friday) we can try to spread that on milestones | 16:22 |
| ttx | ok | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'll throw out some proposals and we can review next week | 16:23 |
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| odyssey4me | Is there a specific stable maint IRC channel? I'm hitting a python-openstackclient oslo.config requirements problem for Liberty which I'd like to confirm before registering a bug. | 17:02 |
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| dims | odyssey4me : #openstack-stable | 17:18 |
| odyssey4me | dims thanks - I've posed my question there | 17:18 |
| odyssey4me | it looks like liberty has been broken through various upper-constraints changes | 17:19 |
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| dhellmann | stevemar : if you want to add keystone-specific dates to the schedule on releases.o.o that's fine, as long as they're actually different from the main dates | 19:53 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: ya, i will propose a patch for the spec dates and the feature proposal freeze, the rest are common | 19:56 |
| dhellmann | stevemar : sounds good | 19:56 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: i just like copying and pasting a link when someone eventually asks in #openstack-keystone :) | 19:56 |
| dhellmann | stevemar : I need a bot so I don't need to paste the link | 19:57 |
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| mriedem | dhellmann: dims: should we put the midcycle meetup dates in the newton release schedule? | 20:31 |
| mriedem | or just milestones? | 20:31 |
| dims | mriedem : avoiding midcycle(s) in there | 20:32 |
| dims | milestones are good mriedem | 20:32 |
| mriedem | ok | 20:32 |
| mriedem | now that i have all of these dates i just have to spew them everywhere! | 20:33 |
| dims | :) | 20:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases: Add Nova-specific milestones to the Newton release schedule https://review.openstack.org/312245 | 20:45 |
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