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| dhellmann | good morning | 13:47 |
| dims | hi dhellmann | 13:48 |
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| dhellmann | dims, ttx: meeting time | 14:03 |
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| ttx | o/ | 14:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/release-tools: change email topic tags based on summit feedback https://review.openstack.org/312762 | 14:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases: support multiple release notes links https://review.openstack.org/308546 | 14:21 |
| electrofelix | been meaning to discuss what it would take to automate releases for JJB more. currently we don't follow the standard release schedule since the code isn't ever specific to an individual openstack release | 14:28 |
| electrofelix | however now that we're starting work towards a 2.0 release, we may want to do some ports to a stable branch of the last 1.x release, and it'd be nice if we could either improve the release process for both or at least 2.0 | 14:29 |
| electrofelix | For a 1.x stable release branch, who would manage/own the branch? e.g. be allowed to apply "approval" to patches back ported | 14:30 |
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| electrofelix | are there any limitations to what can be ported? if it's useful to port code to support a new jenkins plugin, is that considered new functionality and is verboten? | 14:32 |
| electrofelix | or is it more as long as it's doesn't introduce any incompatibilities it's largely left to the team looking after the project? | 14:32 |
| electrofelix | That's the start of my questions for a 1.x stable branch (I'm sure I'll have more) | 14:33 |
| electrofelix | For automating the 2.0 and future release announcements, can someone point me towards the documentation about what's needed for the project | 14:34 |
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| dhellmann | electrofelix : as an independent project (not tied to the release cycle), you can define who your stable team is. | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | we mostly let core teams on projects manage their own stable branches these days anyway | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | if you would like to take advantage of the release automation, have a look at the readme in openstack/releases | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | there's not good docs for using the tools to do the tagging yourself, yet, but that's on our todo list | 15:01 |
| amrith | ./ | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | hi amrith | 15:03 |
| amrith | hi dhellmann ... wanted to listen in on the meeting, nothing new to add. | 15:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases: add team pages https://review.openstack.org/313164 | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | amrith : ok. we just wrapped our meeting up in #openstack-meeting if you want to check the logs | 15:05 |
| amrith | yes, I was just trying to see how I missed the time. this was on my calendar, I didn't have anything else going on. but I missed it. bugger | 15:05 |
| amrith | will read scrollback | 15:06 |
| amrith | I missed it by an hour | 15:06 |
| amrith | that's weird | 15:06 |
| amrith | next week ... | 15:06 |
| amrith | oh, 1400UTC. Dang | 15:09 |
| amrith | I setup the meeting while I was in austin, serves me right ... | 15:10 |
| electrofelix | dhellmann: thanks, I did find it difficult to find docs on this ;) | 15:11 |
| electrofelix | dhellmann: so presumably what I've mentioned above for a stable release isn't violating any specific requirements? | 15:12 |
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| dhellmann | electrofelix : the stable policy is describe in http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/stable_follows-policy.html and http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | electrofelix : as far as release docs, we're going to be working on those this cycle as part of completing the automation | 15:35 |
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| electrofelix | dhellmann: we might be close to the line with the case: "Specifically, not allowing backports of new features" | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | electrofelix : yeah, that's the biggest rule. | 15:41 |
| electrofelix | though I guess we only care about having a stable branch in being able to deliver some updates for a 1.x series of JJB while continuing with 2.0 changes that would introduce api changes | 15:41 |
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| dhellmann | as an independent project that isn't part of the openstack release, I'm not sure how important it is for you to follow the rules to get the stable tag, though. You should talk to the stable team (#openstack-stable) about that | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | sure, and you can do that using a feature branch, too | 15:42 |
| electrofelix | indeed, it might not make sense to apply that here | 15:42 |
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| electrofelix | you mean feature branch for 1.x releases? prefer that most stuff goes to master for inclusion with 2.0 and only a very small subset of additional plugin support to be added on top of the existing 1.x releases | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | there are a few ways to do it | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | stable branches work best when they are named for the cycle, rather than a version | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | so stable/mitaka vs stable/1.x | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | you could continue feature work on master, backporting fixes to stable/$whatever | 15:46 |
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| electrofelix | that was the plan, but what triggered looking closer at this | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | you could maintain feature and fixes in master and stable/$whatever and put breaking changes in feature/$reasonforbreak, only merging those into master when they are complete | 15:46 |
| electrofelix | was someone had a specific request to port support for a plugin so they wouldn't need to ask devs to install from git | 15:47 |
| electrofelix | I've a feeling that really despite wanting to accommodate the request to allow some support for jenkins plugins be added to the 1.x releases that it's just opening a can of worms about accommodating special requests. | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | the question is if you expect folks to be doing CD for JJB. if so, then the model we have in the other projects has been proven to work to some degree | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | indeed | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | you have to decide whether your dev team is large enough to support feature work *and* bug fixes in multiple versions simultaneously | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | decide what you can afford to support, and that will help you narrow the list of models you can choose from | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | I have to duck out for a bit. I hope that helps, though! | 15:49 |
| electrofelix | it does, thanks | 15:49 |
| electrofelix | right now, since no incompatible code has landed I'm tempted to avoid this problem by suggesting we add the plugin support with a 1.6 release from head, and hopefully avoid another request :D | 15:50 |
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| electrofelix | that way we could obey the standard stable rules ;) | 15:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases: add team pages https://review.openstack.org/313164 | 16:51 |
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| dhellmann | electrofelix : that would certainly be a path of less resistance, if not least :-) | 16:54 |
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| electrofelix | dhellmann: my thoughts exactly | 16:58 |
| electrofelix | thanks for the help and pointers :) | 16:59 |
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| dhellmann | any time! | 16:59 |
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| amrith | dhellmann, the new release email tag will be [new]? | 18:50 |
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| amrith | sure looks that way from release_notes.py ... | 18:52 |
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| dhellmann | amrith : yes | 18:53 |
| amrith | ok, thx | 18:54 |
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| nikhil | dhellmann: sorry about the confusion on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315347/ . I will re-open once I make changes based on feedback. | 20:06 |
| patchbot | nikhil: patch 315347 - releases - WIP: Add Glance specific dates to schedule (ABANDONED) | 20:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jesse Pretorius (odyssey4me) proposed openstack/releases: Release OpenStack-Ansible Kilo/11.2.16 https://review.openstack.org/316281 | 20:40 |
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| odyssey4me | it looks like the requirements repo does not yet have a kilo-eol tag - when do we think that'll go in? | 20:49 |
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| odyssey4me | dhellmann oops - something's changed :) http://logs.openstack.org/81/316281/1/check/gate-releases-docs/380697e/console.html#_2016-05-13_20_45_19_373 | 20:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Jesse Pretorius (odyssey4me) proposed openstack/releases: Release OpenStack-Ansible Kilo/11.2.16 https://review.openstack.org/316281 | 20:53 |
| odyssey4me | never mind, I see my bug | 20:53 |
| dhellmann | odyssey4me : you're missing the "projects:" key | 20:53 |
| odyssey4me | heh, thanks - I spotted that just after pasting the link | 20:54 |
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| jlvillal | dhellmann: So I have noticed some strangeness with releasenotes and stable branches. I was pointing it out to jroll | 21:00 |
| jlvillal | dhellmann: It seems like we are getting releasenotes generated that are in the git tree, even though they are part of stable/mitaka | 21:00 |
| jlvillal | Is this a known issue? | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | I don't understand what you mean. Can you point to an example? | 21:01 |
| jlvillal | dhellmann: Like this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316029/ | 21:01 |
| patchbot | jlvillal: patch 316029 - ironic (stable/mitaka) - Adds RAID interface for 'iscsi_ilo' | 21:01 |
| jlvillal | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/29/316029/1/check/gate-ironic-releasenotes/38ac413//releasenotes/build/html/mitaka.html | 21:01 |
| jlvillal | So it is catching breakage that we have in tip. But not in stable/mitaka. | 21:01 |
| jlvillal | dhellmann: ^^ | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | is an extra note appearing on that page, or are you saying something is missing? | 21:02 |
| jlvillal | dhellmann: See 'Bug-Fixes' section' | 21:02 |
| jlvillal | And all wrong... | 21:02 |
| jlvillal | That is a problem that was in our tip. We just merged a fix about 10 minutes ago. | 21:03 |
| jlvillal | But that was never put into stable/mitaka | 21:03 |
| dhellmann | let me experiment a bit | 21:04 |
| jlvillal | dhellmann: Thanks. So I reproduced this locally by doing | 21:04 |
| jlvillal | $ git clone https://review.openstack.org/openstack/ironic | 21:05 |
| jlvillal | $ cd ironic | 21:05 |
| jlvillal | $ git checkout -b stable/mitaka origin/stable/mitaka | 21:05 |
| jlvillal | $ tox -vvv -ereleasenotes | 21:05 |
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| dhellmann | jlvillal : the version of mitaka.rst on your stable branch is pulling notes from master | 21:09 |
| jlvillal | dhellmann: So the file itself can specify which branch to pull in releasenotes from? | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | jlvillal : https://review.openstack.org/316288 | 21:10 |
| jlvillal | dhellmann: Thanks! | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | jlvillal : you have the same problem in the ironic-staging-drivers repo | 21:15 |
| dhellmann | http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=%3Abranch%3A%20origin%2Fmaster&i=nope&files=&repos= | 21:15 |
| dhellmann | jlvillal : for some reason ironic is the only project team that's creating release notes pages for the release before you're done (everyone else relies on the unreleased.rst page) | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | it's fine, I'm just pointing out the difference in approaches | 21:16 |
| jlvillal | dhellmann: Okay. Thanks. I'll mention it to jroll and see what he thinks. | 21:16 |
| jlvillal | Maybe we should change :) | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | jlvillal, jroll : when we create the stable branches at the end of the cycle, the script that does that will try to create these pages for you | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | you don't need a newton page in the newton branch, so it only goes into master | 21:17 |
| jlvillal | Thanks | 21:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/releases: Add a interactive-cmd to propose library releases https://review.openstack.org/308029 | 21:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases: require release note pages to exist before adding the link https://review.openstack.org/316301 | 21:49 |
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