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| lxsli | Should kilo be marked EOL on http://releases.openstack.org/ now? | 10:04 |
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| ttx | lxsli: yes | 11:10 |
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| lxsli | ttx: cool, thanks | 12:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | garyk proposed openstack/releases: Update vmware-nsx files for liberty and mitaka https://review.openstack.org/320958 | 12:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | garyk proposed openstack/releases: Update vmware-nsx files for liberty and mitaka https://review.openstack.org/320958 | 13:10 |
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| prometheanfire | bknudson: new release for keystone? | 14:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brant Knudson proposed openstack/releases: keystone 9.0.2 (mitaka) https://review.openstack.org/321044 | 14:54 |
| bknudson | prometheanfire: requested a release of keystone ^ | 14:54 |
| prometheanfire | ah, thanks | 14:55 |
| mordred | dims, dhellmann: heya - saw convo in the meeting channel about go things | 14:56 |
| mordred | dims, dhellmann: anything you need follow up on from me? | 14:57 |
| dims | mordred : nope, just a conversation starter at the moment. thanks for ping back | 14:57 |
| dhellmann | mordred : the requirements management team was trying to decide how golang might affect them. I think we concluded that it wouldn't mostly, except in ways the infra team is already working on figuring out and for vetting dependencies for license compatibility. | 14:58 |
| mordred | ++ | 14:58 |
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| prometheanfire | yep, thats about what I got from it as well | 15:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Markus Zoeller (markus_z) proposed openstack-infra/release-tools: add script to expire old bug reports https://review.openstack.org/321008 | 15:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Markus Zoeller (markus_z) proposed openstack-infra/release-tools: add script to expire old bug reports https://review.openstack.org/321008 | 15:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Travis Tripp proposed openstack/releases: Release Searchlight 0.2.1 https://review.openstack.org/321104 | 16:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases: remove particularly bad legacy trove versions https://review.openstack.org/321137 | 17:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases: fix sorting and pre-release collapsing https://review.openstack.org/321138 | 17:29 |
| dhellmann | dims, ttx: ^^ | 17:29 |
| dims | ack adding to my queue | 17:31 |
| dhellmann | dims : thanks | 17:31 |
| * dhellmann needs to flush his own queue | 17:31 | |
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| HenryG | Hi, is there a way to add a bunch of jobs to a change that proposes a release for a specific project? | 17:47 |
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| dhellmann | HenryG : what's the goal? | 17:57 |
| HenryG | dhellmann: when we propose a release for neutron-lib, we'd like to verify all the neutron jobs (and probably several neutron-affiliated project jobs too). | 17:58 |
| dhellmann | HenryG : it would be better to set things up so those jobs run when patches are proposed to neutron-lib. Otherwise we have to somehow build a "fake" release artifact and test it, then rebuild it for real later. | 18:00 |
| dhellmann | HenryG : we have a facility in devstack to test a lib from source instead of a package (see some of the jobs for oslo libs for examples) | 18:01 |
| dhellmann | jd__ : let me know when you want to talk about the global requirements thing | 18:01 |
| HenryG | dhellmann: thanks | 18:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dean Troyer proposed openstack/releases: Release python-openstackclient 2.5.0 https://review.openstack.org/321212 | 20:17 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann: I've a few minutes | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | jd__ : ok, so what's the issue going on that's resulting in you removing projects from the sync list? | 20:23 |
| jd__ | I said _a few_ minutes ;-) | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | yes, well. maybe you'd like to start a ML thread then? I'm not sure your current approach is going to give you the outcome you want. | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | I've tried to propose a way around the issue for gnocchiclient for liberty. I'm not sure what drove the tooz patch at all. | 20:25 |
| jd__ | it's orthogonal | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | ok, I wasn't sure | 20:26 |
| jd__ | I'm not really sure what the solution for Ceilometer stable/liberty is | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | it seems like the solution is to prevent the newer thing from being installed and requiring the newer cliff. I'm not 100% clear on what that means capping or constraining, though. | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | maybe gnocchi itself? | 20:27 |
| jd__ | freezing the world in time is not really a good solution to me, which is what global-req is doing on stable/liberty basically | 20:27 |
| jd__ | but we don't want to cap things, we don't have to… it works | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | yeah, if you want to do new things, that's what master is for | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | alternately install it into a different python environment so it doesn't conflict with the co-installability requirements | 20:27 |
| jd__ | I dunnow, you don't cap the Linux kernel or MySQL… | 20:27 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: yeah I think that's the *ultimate* solution! | 20:28 |
| jd__ | it's a bit tricky due to things like stevedore plugins though | 20:28 |
| jd__ | but we could do it for e.g. the whole != OpenStack stuff | 20:28 |
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| jd__ | that was not clear | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | except that would mean testing under a configuration that no one anywhere would actually be using | 20:29 |
| jd__ | how so? | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | so if gnocchi is installed in a venv and openstack isn't, we're not showing that openstack works with the co-installable version of gnocchi | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | unfortunately, co-installability is still something we have to support | 20:30 |
| jd__ | so that's why I bumped cliff | 20:31 |
| jd__ | so it can be co-installed | 20:31 |
| dhellmann | and that change is against the policies for the stable branch requirements, which is why it was rejected | 20:31 |
| jd__ | because of the artificial limits that are set | 20:32 |
| jd__ | ah ok | 20:32 |
| jd__ | so we don't want to support newer things in stable? | 20:32 |
| jd__ | it's just a question, not a judgement | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | we want to be careful about how we do. a liberty-branch release of cliff would be allowed | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | that particular version of cliff isn't part of the liberty series, though | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | stable does mean very strictly keeping minimal version changes | 20:33 |
| jd__ | I feel bad having to change Ceilometer liberty to say "Ok, so we don't support Gnocchi 2.1 because, well, you know, cliff… it's not installable, you never know with the rest of OpenStack" whereas, it just works and we're glad it does :) | 20:34 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: hi, when you got time this week, please look https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320476/ | 20:34 |
| patchbot | EmilienM: patch 320476 - releases - Release Puppet OpenStack 7.1.0 (Liberty) | 20:34 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : ack, I'll look this afternoon | 20:34 |
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| dhellmann | jd__ : I understand. It's not great -- I wish we just said everything needed to be deployed into its own site-packages -- but this is the least-effort approach we have right now to maintain co-installability, and sometimes that means saying that old versions don't get new features. | 20:35 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: yeah but it so artificial – if you take Ceilometer liberty, there's no cliff listed, nothing – so there's nothing preventing to install Gnocchi $LATEST and Ceilometer, it'll just work | 20:36 |
| jd__ | it's just that repo in the middle of the job that breaks everything actually :( because devstack enforces it | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | jd__ : I'm sure that's the case in a lot of situations. We have, as a community, said that we want stable requirements to be as close to frozen as possible, though. We have no one with the time or energy or desire to configure and debug all of the other possible combinations. | 20:38 |
| jd__ | which is one of the reason we're leaving this repo – we do maintain co-installability by supporting a wide range of libraries version | 20:38 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: ok | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | maintaining a wider range is another approach; swift does that, too. we agreed at the summit that we'd change the sync bot to support that, although I don't know yet if lifeless is going to be able to do the work. | 20:39 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: I haven't done it yet, I still intend to do so. | 20:40 |
| jd__ | that's a good move indeed | 20:41 |
| dhellmann | lifeless : cool, I hadn't had a chance to talk to you about that recently so I wasn't sure | 20:41 |
| lifeless | yeah, so my last day at HPE is tomorrow | 20:41 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : you seem to be tagging all of these things with the same version number, but they're listed as separate deliverables | 20:45 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: if you have any other idea on how to fix that, let me know, I've abandoned, the patch, but our gate is still broken and I'm not sure what to do | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | well, most, not all | 20:46 |
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| EmilienM | dhellmann: we threat them as separate deliverables | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | jd__ : what do you install that introduces the dependency on cliff 2.0? | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : ok | 20:46 |
| jd__ | the only thing I see is to patch stable/1.3 on Gnocchi to pip install gnocchiclient<someversion-that-supports-cliff-<1.16 which seems very very… random | 20:46 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: pip install gnocchiclient from gnocchi devstack plugin | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | jd__ : ok, for liberty I would constrain the version of the client to one that does not need cliff 2.0. Are you calling pip directly, or is there a devstack function for "install this package and honor constraints"? | 20:47 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann: https://github.com/openstack/gnocchi/blob/stable/1.3/devstack/plugin.sh#L91 | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | jd__ : ok. So then it would be appropriate to add a constraint for gnocchiclient to upper-constraints.txt in stable/liberty | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | include a comment in the commit message that this is for ceilometer, which does appear in the projects.txt file | 20:52 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: ah, that would work? | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | jd__ : I think so. | 20:52 |
| jd__ | ok let's try – not sure which version I should list but I can find | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | it would prevent the newer version of gnocchiclient from being installed, which should then allow *something* to be installed | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | you may also need to add gnocchiclient to the global-requirements.txt file, I'm not sure | 20:53 |
| jd__ | the gate might tell us :) | 20:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases: Release Puppet OpenStack 7.1.0 (Liberty) https://review.openstack.org/320476 | 20:54 |
| EmilienM | w00t what happens now? | 20:55 |
| EmilienM | tag is going to be created I guess | 20:55 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321237/ we'll see | 20:56 |
| patchbot | jd__: patch 321237 - requirements (stable/liberty) - Limit gnocchiclient to 2.2.0 | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : yes, I'm typing my gpg password over and over and over again now :-) | 20:56 |
| * dhellmann actually has it in a yubikey | 20:56 | |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: tag not done by some infra jobs? | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | not yet | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | we're still working on that part | 20:56 |
| EmilienM | ah :-) I thought it was automatic | 20:56 |
| EmilienM | cool! | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | there are security concerns, but we expect to have that done this cycle | 20:57 |
| EmilienM | sorry for the number of modules | 20:57 |
| jd__ | Automate All The Tings™ | 20:57 |
| EmilienM | (and sorry² for the growing number of modules in Mitaka) | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | meh, it's fine | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | like I said, I have a yubikey so I just have to touch that for each repo | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | it's like pasting the password in over and over :-) | 20:58 |
| jd__ | the yubi-move | 20:58 |
| jd__ | it's like a dance | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | I need some release music | 20:58 |
| jd__ | haha | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | someone tell me a cool band, quick! | 20:58 |
| jd__ | a whole choreography | 20:58 |
| EmilienM | I'm not sure my electro-house references will convaince you | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : if they're on spotify or pandora, I'll give them a try. I listen to some of that sort of thing while I ride the exercise bike | 20:59 |
| jroll | dhellmann: 'best coast' | 21:00 |
| * dhellmann moves the yubikey closer so he doesn't wear out his shoulder and elbow | 21:00 | |
| jroll | https://open.spotify.com/artist/5YkBrE0wF8cAlq3GCOw5Eu | 21:00 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: I actually have something for you: spotify:track:4bIAjgCN2BAIxEw9rRvV7G | 21:00 |
| EmilienM | or https://open.spotify.com/track/4bIAjgCN2BAIxEw9rRvV7G | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM, jroll : ok, I'll give those a try. EmilienM's first since these are his projects I'm tagging. | 21:01 |
| jroll | heh | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | jd__ : it would be good to go ahead and add the gnocchiclient range to the global-requirements.txt file, too | 21:07 |
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| dhellmann | ttx, dims: I've been thinking about the fact that the repos owned by a team change over time, and that will make rendering the team pages in the releases site difficult (especially when a team drops a repo). I'd like to add "team" to the YAML file data model to compensate, and use that instead of the governance repo to determine where data goes when rendering. I would still use the governance project list for validating that all members | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | of a deliverable are included in new releases. What do you think? | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | jroll : best coast is nice, but a bit mellow for my needs for releases. I need something to keep me alert :-) | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : Graham Candy is a bit closer, more of a beat | 21:13 |
| jroll | dhellmann: fair enough, it's what I've been listening to for a bit now while I do PjM things | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'm going to add it to my rotation | 21:13 |
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| dhellmann | jd__ : can you join #openstack-requirements | 21:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Martinelli proposed openstack/releases: keystone 8.1.2 (liberty) https://review.openstack.org/321244 | 21:27 |
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| stevemar | dhellmann: bknudson oh, i seems the keystoneauth and keystonemiddleware tarballs for liberty were not updated either: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317839/2 and http://tarballs.openstack.org/keystoneauth/ (search for 1.1.3) | 21:33 |
| patchbot | stevemar: patch 317839 - releases - release keystone server and libraries for mitaka (MERGED) | 21:33 |
| bknudson | stevemar: dang! | 21:33 |
| dhellmann | same problem? | 21:34 |
| dims | dhellmann : that sounds ok to me! | 21:39 |
| dims | dhellmann : adding "team to the yaml file data mode | 21:39 |
| dhellmann | dims : cool, thanks. It's going to be a bit of work, so I wanted to make sure we agreed before I started. :-) | 21:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases: remove particularly bad legacy trove versions https://review.openstack.org/321137 | 21:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases: fix sorting and pre-release collapsing https://review.openstack.org/321138 | 21:46 |
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| stevemar | dhellmann: bknudson i'm not sure... i just looked into it while looking at the missing tarballs for keystone server package | 21:52 |
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| EmilienM | dhellmann: did you like this song? | 22:34 |
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| EmilienM | so the release happenned but I haven't seen emails | 23:28 |
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| EmilienM | damn I missed the fuel thing in the commit message | 23:29 |
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