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| dims | EmilienM : i think we encourage it. we release an RC as soon as possible, everyone kicks the tires and we just use the same tag as the last rc as the final (if i remember the process right) | 01:53 |
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| EmilienM | dims: ok | 01:54 |
| dims | EmilienM : example language from last time "Unless release-critical issues are found that warrant a release candidate respin, this RC1 will be formally released as the final Mitaka Keystone release on April 7th. You are therefore strongly encouraged to test and validate this tarball!" | 01:58 |
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| stevemar | dims: pfft, making me look here unnecessarily :) | 01:59 |
| dims | LOL stevemar | 01:59 |
| stevemar | you know the magic word to make me look! | 01:59 |
| stevemar | starts with a k, ends in eystone | 01:59 |
| prometheanfire | can someone release oslo.db (again)? :P | 02:02 |
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| ttx | EmilienM: RC1 is only needed for milestone-driven projects. For those who don't follow that, you usually release final tags the week(s) before | 06:39 |
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| odyssey4me | it looks like we have an urgent release in the pipeline for oslo.db? https://review.openstack.org/367482 | 08:12 |
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| ttx | yes, we'll likely process it once dhellmann blesses it | 09:33 |
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| huats | dhellmann: hey | 09:55 |
| huats | just FYI I wanted to let you know that we still have some feature that we want to put in the newton release of cloudkitty | 09:56 |
| huats | so we are working on it hard currently | 09:56 |
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| huats | but we will defenitly have a release by Thursday (and then switch to Feature Freeze...) | 09:57 |
| huats | I'll be more than happy to discuss that with you if you have any questions ! | 09:57 |
| huats | or comments/advices/... | 09:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Slipushenko proposed openstack/releases: Release murano-pkg-check 0.0.1 https://review.openstack.org/367972 | 12:02 |
| EmilienM | ttx: we use trailing release, I guess it's the same as milestone + 2 weeks | 12:14 |
| ttx | EmilienM: in trailing you have the choice I'd say | 12:14 |
| ttx | You can be trailing with a milestone/RC model of releasing, or trailing with direct releases | 12:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Slipushenko proposed openstack/releases: Release murano-pkg-check 0.0.1 https://review.openstack.org/367972 | 12:15 |
| EmilienM | ttx: ok, good clarification | 12:16 |
| ttx | EmilienM: it's a new thing though, so might be good to cross-check with dhellmann that I'm not saying crazy things | 12:16 |
| * ttx is using "thing" too much those days. But then every time I name something I get hatemail | 12:17 | |
| EmilienM | internet of things! | 12:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/releases: Use openstack-announce@ for all neutron stadium service announcements https://review.openstack.org/367986 | 12:36 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: does send-announcements-to work for all deliverables tracked in openstack/releases? I can't find announcement for networking-sfc 2.0.0 | 12:37 |
| ihrachys | I would think something would trigger the email once the patch lands? | 12:38 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: good morning, I have a doubt if I should propose rc1 (which would likely be the final) release for PuppetOpenStack or if I can wait until end of September | 12:41 |
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| odyssey4me | ihrachys yeah, you need to have a release jon in openstack-infra/project-config | 12:48 |
| odyssey4me | *job | 12:48 |
| odyssey4me | ihrachys it's the announce-release job | 12:50 |
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| * dhellmann notes lots of scrollback | 12:54 | |
| dhellmann | huats : at this point I strongly urge you to focus on finishing features that have been started, and not try to start anything completely new | 12:57 |
| dhellmann | odyssey4me , ttx: it's friday. do we still want the oslo.db release? | 12:58 |
| huats | dhellmann: that is the case. We don't start new features, we are finishing them | 12:58 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : if you're generally following milestone tagging patterns, it's better if you prepare an rc1, but if you're following the intermediary versioning then you don't need to | 12:59 |
| ttx | dhellmann: no idea what the urgency is | 12:59 |
| dhellmann | huats : great! | 12:59 |
| ttx | dhellmann: does that trigger a requirements bump ? | 12:59 |
| ttx | does the unblock gate ? | 12:59 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: ack | 12:59 |
| odyssey4me | sileht can you answer questions posed about https://review.openstack.org/367482 ? | 13:00 |
| dhellmann | ttx: a constraints bump at least. I don't know where we settled on the question of blocking older versions | 13:00 |
| ttx | we'll want that constraints bump in before RC1, which means waiting for Monday pushes us back a bit | 13:01 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 13:01 |
| ttx | so I'm for it | 13:01 |
| dhellmann | I guess with the constraints in unit tests now we're safer | 13:02 |
| * dhellmann wonders how many projects actually implemented that | 13:02 | |
| dhellmann | ok, approving | 13:02 |
| sileht | odyssey4me, I don't see any questions | 13:03 |
| odyssey4me | sileht it would appear that the ball is rolling, dhellmann and ttx had questions regarding the urgency | 13:04 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: do we want independent projects announcing on openstack-announce? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367986/1 | 13:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Richard Theis proposed openstack/releases: networking-ovn Newton RC1 deliverable https://review.openstack.org/367621 | 13:07 |
| huats | dhellmann: we have been looking the recommended way for wsgi service. We haven't found anything special, but ttx told me you might have an opinion. I'd be really interested in knowing it, since we have received some patches for that (that use werkzeug) | 13:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases: Release oslo.db 4.13.3 (newton) https://review.openstack.org/367482 | 13:09 |
| huats | (and I am not saying it will be included in our release, it is a question we had in the pipe for some time now...) | 13:09 |
| ihrachys | odyssey4me: oh. I would honestly expect that to work as is. seems duplicated. | 13:09 |
| dhellmann | huats : you're building a new wsgi service? I think we have a significant number of projects using either pecan or flask, so I would start with one of those | 13:09 |
| ihrachys | odyssey4me: also, before we saw some announcements from dhellmann so we thought it's automated somehow | 13:09 |
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| dhellmann | ihrachys : you thought what was automated? | 13:10 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: that when openstack/releases change lands, email is sent to designated mailing list about the new release | 13:10 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: seems like unless I set some jobs in project-config, it does not work this way. | 13:11 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: the way it is now, we have those addresses set in openstack/releases, but nothing happens. | 13:11 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : which project? | 13:11 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: networking-sfc for one | 13:11 |
| huats | dhellmann: no I was misunderstood. We already using pecan. The question is related to the application server (like uwsgi, gunicorn,.. or werkzeug like we have seen in ceilometer by instance) | 13:12 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys: it should be automated, but it does depend on having the jobs and repo configured properly | 13:12 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: we released 2.0.0 lately but did not have an announcement email. and now odyssey4me says it's as designed. | 13:12 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: right. wouldn't it make sense to have a single job to handle all patches for openstack/releases? | 13:12 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: assuming deliverable files are approved by release team, it seems twisted to have it approved by infra to be able to send an announcement. | 13:13 |
| dhellmann | huats : ah, sorry, I misunderstood your question. I do not personally have a strong opinion on that. We've discussed the idea of moving devstack to deploying all projects behind apache, but if you're using wsgi then any of the compatible servers should work well. It would be a good question for the -dev mailing list. | 13:13 |
| odyssey4me | ihrachys only the job needs to be set for the repo you want to have announcements for - that's a once off thing per repo, once that's in, the announcements are automated when a release is done | 13:13 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : the email is not triggered by landing a patch, it is triggered by the tag. The tag is triggered by landing a patch. | 13:14 |
| huats | dhellmann: ok thanks ! | 13:14 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : the job is attached to the repo actually being packaged | 13:14 |
| ihrachys | odyssey4me: you probably don't know how many repos stadium has :P | 13:14 |
| odyssey4me | ihrachys sure, but we have many repositories too :) | 13:14 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: ok I was under wrong impression it worked before by magic and not by you sending those emails manually :) | 13:15 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : give me a minute to look into it | 13:15 |
| odyssey4me | ihrachys I expect that a job group/template is being used - so just add the job there, for example: https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/jenkins/jobs/ansible-role-jobs.yaml#L128 | 13:15 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : here are the logs from the release jobs: http://logs.openstack.org/64/64eb217de2273cf3760b2f73967a77aed0346d96/ | 13:16 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : the email was skipped because you tagged the release by hand and the script didn't have the metadata it needed: http://logs.openstack.org/64/64eb217de2273cf3760b2f73967a77aed0346d96/release/networking-sfc-announce-release/ff7d533/console.html | 13:17 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : this is why I want you to let us tag the releases. | 13:17 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: I was told before that we should do it ourselves. now I am told that release folks should handle it. I am puzzled. | 13:18 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: btw I am happy if release team handles all releases and tags, only expecting +1 from neutron release liaison. | 13:18 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : I was referring to our conversation from a day or two ago | 13:19 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: we also have some internal instructions for neutron-release team members on how to tag releases, and we follow those. apparently it's not enough. if release team is ok with doing tagging, we can just clean up all those intructions we have. | 13:19 |
| dhellmann | now that we have the automation in place, we're able to take more of the independent projects on | 13:19 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: can you handle all networking-* (in-stadium) neutron projects for us? | 13:20 |
| dhellmann | the automation is being built under the assumption that folks doing tagging themselves are less interested in the automation | 13:20 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : sure, now that it's just a matter of clicking +2a | 13:20 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: ok, I was not aware of the change in the ease of the process. | 13:20 |
| ihrachys | we are glad to offload it ;) | 13:20 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : it only happened a week ago :-) | 13:20 |
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| ihrachys | yay | 13:21 |
| ihrachys | lemme update our internal instructions then and send an email for all neutrinos on the change to the process. | 13:21 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : cool. we'll still want the +1 from the liaison or ptl, as we discussed the other day | 13:21 |
| ihrachys | right. | 13:21 |
| ihrachys | but no more tag -s | 13:21 |
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| ihrachys | we then probably should remove permissions to do it from neutron-release team? | 13:22 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : yes, if you delete those stanzas from the gerrit acl files the permission will default to the release managers and the bot | 13:24 |
| * dhellmann has to drop off to attend a meeting | 13:24 | |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: what about branches? | 13:24 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : branch and tag acls are different. maybe leave branch acls alone for now, and we can handle those next cycle if we get the automation working? | 13:25 |
| ihrachys | ack | 13:25 |
| ihrachys | thanks a lot! | 13:25 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: I'm on a call, we'll start the meeting a few minutes late | 14:01 |
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| ttx | ok | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | well, we wrapped because the other party had a meeting, too | 14:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dean Troyer proposed openstack/releases: Release python-openstackclient 3.3.0 https://review.openstack.org/367598 | 14:19 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: ttx: at least for infra, i doubt we'd have release cycle stewards separate from the active ptl | 15:00 |
| fungi | but i'll grant we're probably an exception | 15:01 |
| ttx | you don't do cycle-based release stuff anyway | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | fungi : yeah, it would be less important for infra | 15:01 |
| fungi | right, exactly | 15:01 |
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| fungi | that's not to say the coordinated release cycle doesn't affect us and our scheduling of things, but for us it's more the cadence and not activities for a specific release vs another release | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | ttx: you said 'someone should propose it'. I was thinking you are in better position to do it, but if not, I could try to craft something, but on Mon only. And honestly I am not proficient in all those governance repos so it may take more of my time, or I can screw | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | but I can try | 15:03 |
| openstackgerrit | amrith proposed openstack/releases: Update Ocata schedule with Trove specific stuff https://review.openstack.org/368073 | 15:04 |
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| fungi | i have a feeling teams like app catalog, ui/ux, qa, refstack and security are similarly not release-tracking teams that would need per-release stewards (or maybe not qa because of devstack and grenade having stable branches) | 15:08 |
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| ttx | ihrachys: the trick is, it looks like a small change from your perspective, but the ramifications (for the elected people) are significant. If the next election run happen in January/February compared to April, their term is pretty short | 15:09 |
| ttx | so some people might oppose it | 15:10 |
| ttx | Personally I don't think the change is necessary, so I'd rather not drive it | 15:10 |
| ttx | especially since people seem to like to oppose things I push | 15:10 |
| ttx | In all cases it would kick in after the election period anyway | 15:11 |
| ttx | since the elections run from data that was tagged last week | 15:11 |
| ttx | oh wait | 15:12 |
| ttx | the wording actually uses "design summit" in some places. Since that's dissolved, there *is* clarification needed | 15:13 |
| ttx | (fater we do the Barcelona one) | 15:13 |
| ttx | after* | 15:13 |
| ttx | dhellmann: ^ | 15:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | amrith proposed openstack/releases: Update Ocata schedule with Trove specific stuff https://review.openstack.org/368073 | 17:12 |
| amrith | dhellmann, done ^^ | 17:13 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: what is the new summit called? just "summit"? | 17:54 |
| dhellmann | (no "design") | 17:54 |
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| clarkb | dhellmann: I think ttx has left for the weekend but I am trying to get you an answer | 17:56 |
| dhellmann | clarkb : ok, thanks. It can wait for next week. I'm not prepared to try to rewrite the election rules on my own on a friday afternoon. :-) | 17:56 |
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| clarkb | dhellmann: "Forum" is what I am told is in current use | 18:54 |
| dhellmann | hmm, ok. I thought that was just a part of the event, but I may have misunderstood | 18:54 |
| dhellmann | I thought jbryce wanted to keep the summit branding. Maybe he was talked out of that. | 18:54 |
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| sigmavirus | dhellmann: but think, you could tell someone that a funny thing happened on the way to the forum! | 19:06 |
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| dhellmann | sigmavirus : we should definitely try to get someone to stage that in boston | 19:38 |
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| sigmavirus | dhellmann: agreed | 19:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Slipushenko proposed openstack/releases: Release murano-pkg-check 0.0.1 https://review.openstack.org/367972 | 20:28 |
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| clarkb | dhellmann: apparently more clarity and the Summit is still the Summit and will have the Forum in it | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | clarkb : ok, that was my understanding from the way ttx had talked about it in the past | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | clarkb : thank you for confirming | 20:57 |
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