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| dims | bswartz : when we branch requirements, the master of requirements will be unfrozen and things will start getting in | 00:02 |
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| bswartz | dims: well manila should not appear in requirements -- worst case the proposal bot starts proposing things from pike into manila/master | 00:03 |
| bswartz | I'm just trying to figure out if branching manila solves a real or imagined problem | 00:03 |
| bswartz | I agree it would be bad to confuse the requirements bot, but that problem probably has other solutions too | 00:04 |
| bswartz | I hate the idea of giving up my leverage of "there will be no RC2" to motivate people to fix all the bugs in RC1 | 00:05 |
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| dims | bswartz : if you want to take the chance, i would not mind. just want to avoid potential issues | 00:06 |
| dims | i totally understand that | 00:06 |
| dims | i can dig up older etherpad with discussions. | 00:07 |
| dims | tonyb : please see bswartz 's view point ^^ | 00:07 |
| dims | tony may remember more as well | 00:07 |
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| bswartz | if the only risk we run is possible bad updates from the bot I can make sure none of those happen | 00:08 |
| * tonyb reads scrollback | 00:08 | |
| Jeffrey4l | tonyb, could u ack this patch https://review.openstack.org/428200 it is a critical issue for murano project. | 00:11 |
| tonyb | Jeffrey4l: we're still frozen so I'll need to look at that very carefully and assess the impact of taking it vs the impact of leaving things as they are | 00:13 |
| tonyb | Jeffrey4l: is there an open bug that describes the problem? | 00:13 |
| Jeffrey4l | let me find. 1 sec | 00:13 |
| Jeffrey4l | tonyb, here https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1653060 | 00:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1653060 in Murano "murano-pkg-check command gives error" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to zhurong (zhu-rong) | 00:14 |
| Jeffrey4l | and the fix patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415625/ | 00:15 |
| tonyb | bswartz: There are a bunch of meesy consequences of requirements branching before services projects that mean we either have bugs, wedged gates or extra ammounts of inter-project co-ordination to ensure we don't get eitehr the first or second symptoms. | 00:15 |
| tonyb | bswartz: for exampls if we branch everythign excpet manila then we start taking u-c updates for $libraries then you integration tests are using pike's u-c's even though your requiremnts are still (manually) pined to ocata | 00:16 |
| tonyb | bswartz: so you can end up testing stuff you don | 00:16 |
| tonyb | t thing your testing and/or seeing bug that your ocata branch wont ever see | 00:16 |
| tonyb | bswartz: I can't say I've seen any of them lately. So it's real issue and it's scary enough that we have this rule in place to help prople reason abiut it. | 00:18 |
| bswartz | tonyb: manila isn't part of the integrated gate | 00:18 |
| bswartz | tonyb: I understand if we were part of the integrated gate why it would be important to branch at the same time | 00:18 |
| tonyb | bswartz: do you run any dsvm jobs? that what I ment by integration tests | 00:18 |
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| tonyb | Jeffrey4l: okay I'll look over it again and assess the impact | 00:19 |
| bswartz | tonyb: dsvm jobs yes, but not integration tests -- we only test manila and we "use" the other projects for dependencies or for scenario tests | 00:19 |
| Jeffrey4l | thanks. | 00:20 |
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| tonyb | bswartz: okay that | 00:21 |
| tonyb | s what I meant. I think of dsvm jobs as integration tests but that's probably incorrect. | 00:22 |
| tonyb | bswartz: so your testign scenarios will use the pike version for all the libraries rather than the ocata ones even though you haven't taken any bot generated requirements bumps | 00:23 |
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| bswartz | tonyb: so the issue is that devstack will give us dependencies from "the future" for a few days? | 00:26 |
| bswartz | tonyb: has history shown that that's a dangerous situation? | 00:26 |
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| tonyb | bswartz: if it really is only a few days then probably not as the requirements team will hold off on the more scary updates | 00:27 |
| tonyb | bswartz: are you certain it will only be a few days? | 00:28 |
| bswartz | tonyb: yes if we can't get these bugs sorted out tomorrow then we're going to seriously consider punting them bugs to pike and disabling new features instead | 00:29 |
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| bswartz | we're very close to RC1 but I can't get the last 3 bugs merged tonight, and I'd rather avoid forcing an RC2 if we can avoid it | 00:31 |
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| amrith | tonyb, ping ... | 00:36 |
| amrith | re: stable/ocata | 00:36 |
| amrith | ok to chat here or openstack-stable? | 00:37 |
| tonyb | bswartz: okay. I can't say I agree entrirely with your desire to avoid RC2 but it's your project and you know the developers best so if you think that's best then +1 from me. Given the job config and the timeline I think we could branch requirements without an RC1 from manila | 00:37 |
| tonyb | amrith: Sure whereever you think is most on topic | 00:37 |
| amrith | dims, tonyb ... re: stable/ocata | 00:37 |
| amrith | for the present, I'm not treating the branch as a 'stable' branch | 00:37 |
| amrith | i.e. we're still getting it to the point where stuff can merge properly | 00:37 |
| amrith | so I'm treating it just as a branch | 00:38 |
| amrith | and not requiring that every change into stable/ocata be a cherry pick from master | 00:38 |
| amrith | is that OK | 00:38 |
| tonyb | amrith: it's a release-prep branch only things that are release blockers on infrastructure prep shoudl land there | 00:38 |
| amrith | ok, yes. that's consistent with what I'm trying to do. thanks | 00:38 |
| tonyb | amrith: it can be okay depends on the context ... a bugfix really shoudl land on master first but there have been cases where that didn't happen | 00:39 |
| amrith | so far we've had one bug fix and I did land it in master first and then cherry pick | 00:39 |
| amrith | but if there's stuff which is non-shippable code | 00:39 |
| amrith | or tests | 00:39 |
| amrith | I'd like some flexibility to handle it | 00:40 |
| amrith | as an exception | 00:40 |
| amrith | NOT for shipping code, I think. | 00:40 |
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| dhellmann | bswartz, tonyb : does the i18n team propose translations for manila? | 00:58 |
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| tonyb | dhellmann: doesn't look like it | 00:59 |
| dhellmann | ok | 00:59 |
| tonyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/manila+%22Zanata%22 | 01:00 |
| bswartz | dhellmann: yeah we get translations from zanata | 01:01 |
| dhellmann | bswartz : oh, ok, well, then you're likely to have an rc2 anyway to pull those in, no? | 01:01 |
| bswartz | dhellmann: oh yeah we typically do a pro-forma rc2 at the last minute to get the last requirements bump and translations and stuff | 01:02 |
| dhellmann | ok | 01:02 |
| bswartz | it's not about avoiding doing rc2 at all -- it's about avoiding programmers getting lazy and thinking they have more time | 01:02 |
| dhellmann | well, if you put it that way, the target date for rc1 was last week :-) | 01:03 |
| bswartz | I know... | 01:03 |
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| bswartz | the compressed ocata schedule has been very painful | 01:03 |
| dhellmann | what state are the bug fixes in? in the queue? | 01:03 |
| bswartz | we've had to drop a bunch of stuff | 01:03 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we've all had to | 01:03 |
| bswartz | dhellmann 3 fixes complete with -1 code reviews so at least 1 more patchset needed on each | 01:04 |
| dhellmann | that sounds like at least another day, then | 01:04 |
| bswartz | best case, tomorrow morning | 01:04 |
| dhellmann | yeah, depends on the time zones of the authors and reviewers I guess | 01:05 |
| dhellmann | in our planning, the release team planned last week as the target, today as a soft deadline, and tomorrow as the hard deadline | 01:05 |
| dhellmann | so let's see what things look like tomorrow, and make a call then | 01:06 |
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| dhellmann | bswartz : let's say 18:00 UTC? | 01:07 |
| bswartz | dhellmann: sounds good | 01:07 |
| dhellmann | k | 01:07 |
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| ttx | dhellmann, tonyb: fwiw re: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429753/3 I think we could trigger procedural rc2s for magnum-ui and karbor-dashboard without waiting for PTLs if they miss the memo | 10:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/reno master: documentation improvements https://review.openstack.org/429064 | 11:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Javier Peña proposed openstack/releases master: oslo.log 3.20.1 release https://review.openstack.org/430210 | 11:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/releases master: Strawman Pike release schedule https://review.openstack.org/425254 | 12:20 |
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| amoralej | hi, i have a doubt about currentl release of mox3, release 0.20.0 is marked as ocata release but it was applied in a commit which is in master after stable/ocata branch was created | 13:02 |
| amoralej | so now, latest tag in stable/ocata is 0.19.0 | 13:03 |
| amoralej | but 0.20.0 is marked as ocata | 13:03 |
| amoralej | i'm not sure if this is expected or an error | 13:03 |
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| dims | ttx : dhellmann :o/ | 13:27 |
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| ttx | dims: o/ | 13:39 |
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| dhellmann | ttx, dims: o/ | 14:19 |
| ttx | dhellmann: o/ | 14:19 |
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| dhellmann | amoralej|lunch : it appears the validation for that release broke down | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | ttx, dims, harlowja : thoughts on fixing the issue with mox3? rebranch? | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | fungi : ^^ | 14:24 |
| dims | dhellmann : +1 to delete the old branch and create again | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | it appears only the .gitreview update landed in that branch | 14:25 |
| ttx | yep, we did that in the past | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | jroll : it has a stable branch so we can release bug fixes into CI, if we have to do that | 14:26 |
| ttx | only drawback is screwing up people who have checked out that branch already | 14:27 |
| ttx | like proposed backports | 14:27 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I see only 4 open patches for that lib and they are all on master | 14:27 |
| ttx | probably a good trade-of fthen | 14:28 |
| ttx | +f | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | infra-root or gerrit-admin: we need to recreate the branch for mox3 because it was created on the wrong version. IIRC, the permissions to delete branches are limited to gerrit-admin folks because of being bound up with other ACLs. If someone can delete the branch for us, the release team can take care of recreating it. | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | oops, wrong window | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | I suppose this means we should test the other libs, to be safe | 14:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases master: re-create ocata branch for mox3 https://review.openstack.org/430283 | 14:56 |
| dhellmann | ttx, dims, harlowja : ^^ | 14:57 |
| amoralej | thanks for your help dhellmann and team | 15:00 |
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| dansmith | what is the approximate timing of the rc2s? I figured maybe yesterday or today | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | dansmith : we just had some projects with rc1s yesterday. having rc2 this week would be good, if there have been a couple of days for the rc1s to be tested. | 15:03 |
| dansmith | ah, I thought we had to be done by thursday | 15:03 |
| * dansmith rechecks the calendar | 15:03 | |
| dhellmann | you're right, that was the target | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | we were cutting them over the weekend and into today | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | we still have one to go | 15:04 |
| dansmith | oh, I see the schedule shows them potentially stretching all the way to PTG | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | yeah, finals should come next week | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | or by next week, at any rate | 15:04 |
| dansmith | okay | 15:05 |
| dims | +2 dhellmann | 15:06 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425254/2 ready for review or should that be WIP still? | 15:24 |
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| dhellmann | dims, ttx: I verified that all of the other ocata releases are on the correct branches: http://paste.openstack.org/show/597981 and https://review.openstack.org/430338 | 16:11 |
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| mriedem | for some reason, the newton 14.0.0 tag doesn't show up in the nova release notes http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/nova/unreleased.html | 16:49 |
| mriedem | hmm but it is here http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/nova/newton.html | 16:50 |
| mriedem | do we have a deadline for the final translations? | 16:52 |
| mriedem | looking at https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html#o-finalrc it looks like final rc is due by 2/16 | 16:53 |
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| dims | dhellmann : thanks! | 17:16 |
| dhellmann | mriedem : we have a fix for the release notes rendering in reno, but I'm holding the release until the quiet period so I don't break the gate | 17:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vitaly Gridnev proposed openstack/releases master: [mitaka] sahara 4.1.1 release https://review.openstack.org/420731 | 17:17 |
| mriedem | dhellmann: ok, not a huge deal | 17:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Vitaly Gridnev proposed openstack/releases master: [mitaka] sahara 4.1.1 release https://review.openstack.org/420731 | 17:17 |
| dhellmann | mriedem : and yes, the 16th | 17:17 |
| mriedem | that's when final translations are due too? | 17:17 |
| dhellmann | that I don't know | 17:18 |
| mriedem | i'll ask AJaeger | 17:18 |
| dhellmann | I would expect them by then, though | 17:18 |
| dhellmann | mriedem : let me know what you find out? | 17:18 |
| dhellmann | I expect I'll get that question from others, too | 17:18 |
| mriedem | will do | 17:19 |
| dhellmann | thanks! | 17:19 |
| dims | dhellmann : we are waiting on bswartz/manila for requirements branch. right? | 17:30 |
| dhellmann | dims : right, we're going to check in around 18:00 UTC to see where things stand | 17:31 |
| dims | ack thanks | 17:32 |
| bswartz | dims, dhellmann: last patches are in the gate now | 17:40 |
| dims | bswartz : glad to hear that :) | 17:40 |
| bswartz | with good behavior from jenkins I'll be able to push the tag in ~90 minutes | 17:41 |
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| mriedem | dhellmann: i'm told the translators are focused on dashboard projects so nova won't get translations | 17:44 |
| mriedem | dansmith: fyi ^ | 17:44 |
| mriedem | hmm i guess i need to create a pike series in launchpad, otherwise all bugs think they are going to ocata now | 17:49 |
| dhellmann | bswartz : perfect | 17:51 |
| * dhellmann crosses his fingers | 17:51 | |
| dhellmann | mriedem : I suppose that makes sense, given limited resources, but it's a bit disappointing | 17:52 |
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| bswartz | is the draft schedule for pike available for review yet? | 18:51 |
| bswartz | This file contains a bunch of XXX: https://github.com/openstack/releases/blob/master/doc/source/pike/schedule.rst | 18:52 |
| AJaeger | bswartz: see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425254/ for a strawman | 18:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ben Swartzlander proposed openstack/releases master: Release Manila 4.0.0.0rc1 https://review.openstack.org/430414 | 19:28 |
| bswartz | dims, dhellmann: ^ | 19:29 |
| dims | bswartz : ack | 19:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Alex Schultz proposed openstack/releases master: Release Puppet OpenStack Ocata-rc1 https://review.openstack.org/430415 | 19:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release Manila 4.0.0.0rc1 https://review.openstack.org/430414 | 19:55 |
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| dhellmann | mtreinish, tonyb, dims, ttx, fungi : now that all of the milestone projects have branched, I think we're ready to proceed with branching requirements, devstack, grenade, etc. I propose we do that tomorrow. | 21:00 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: ok cool, I'll be around | 21:00 |
| fungi | dhellmann: sounds good--i'll be around | 21:00 |
| dims | dhellmann : awesome! | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | I have the steps worked out in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-relmgt-tracking under R-2 tasks. Please take a look if you have a few minutes. | 21:00 |
| dims | yep, i did yesterday. will check again | 21:01 |
| ttx | dhellmann: works for me | 21:01 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: works for me | 21:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alex Schultz proposed openstack/releases master: Release Puppet OpenStack Ocata-rc1 https://review.openstack.org/430415 | 23:32 |
| mwhahaha | do i need to update reno for all my modules, or does that get proposed as part of the release process? | 23:34 |
| dhellmann | mwhahaha : the branch script will try to propose adding an ocata page to the release notes | 23:34 |
| mwhahaha | cool, was not looking forward to taht | 23:35 |
| dhellmann | assuming you're not doing anything too odd, it should be able to figure out how to do it properly :-) | 23:35 |
| mwhahaha | it worked last time for the most part | 23:35 |
| mwhahaha | just had to fix the ordering | 23:35 |
| dhellmann | cool | 23:36 |
| mwhahaha | so chicken/egg problem, http://logs.openstack.org/15/430415/2/check/gate-releases-tox-validate-ubuntu-xenial/81121d6/console.html#_2017-02-07_23_36_40_645590 | 23:40 |
| mwhahaha | are we not supposed to have the releasenotes listed until after the branch | 23:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Alex Schultz proposed openstack/releases master: Release Puppet OpenStack Ocata-rc1 https://review.openstack.org/430415 | 23:47 |
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