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| openstackgerrit | Tony Breeds proposed openstack/releases master: Add a reminder about novaclient versions for queens https://review.openstack.org/497010 | 04:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Erno Kuvaja proposed openstack/releases master: Release of Glance Pike RC2 https://review.openstack.org/497123 | 08:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/releases master: Release ironic-ui 3.0.1 for Pike https://review.openstack.org/497128 | 08:07 |
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| dtantsur | smcginnis, ttx, morning! do we have to release a minor version from stable/pike due to https://github.com/openstack/python-ironicclient/commit/dfb04f3ad46ae93e0100a1d4c034bf9b1a015c5f ? | 09:23 |
| dtantsur | and a similar question, but about this bump: https://github.com/openstack/sushy/commit/f71be7d1cb45e5d5d37dd2a75e0845e16d13b390 | 09:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/reno master: Integrate a setuptools command https://review.openstack.org/475033 | 11:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/reno master: requirements: Stop requiring a specific pbr version https://review.openstack.org/497202 | 11:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/reno master: fixup! Integrate a setuptools command https://review.openstack.org/497203 | 11:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/reno master: Integrate a setuptools command https://review.openstack.org/475033 | 11:13 |
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| dims | dhellmann : smcginnis : o/ | 11:54 |
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| smcginnis | dims, dhellmann: o/ | 13:03 |
| smcginnis | dtantsur: Minor version should be fine in that case. | 13:04 |
| dtantsur | yeah, my question was mostly patch vs minor | 13:05 |
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| dims | hey smcginnis | 13:12 |
| dhellmann | dims, smcginnis : o/ | 13:13 |
| smcginnis | Morning dims! | 13:13 |
| smcginnis | Morning dhellmann! | 13:13 |
| dims | smcginnis : dhellmann : i'll be in and out today. a few school events/tryouts | 13:14 |
| smcginnis | dims: We had orientation/welcome back night yesterday. | 13:14 |
| dhellmann | I have meetings for the next few hours, so I will also be in and out | 13:14 |
| smcginnis | I'll be around now if anything comes up. | 13:15 |
| smcginnis | dtantsur: Sorry, been catching up in other channels. | 13:15 |
| dims | ack thanks dhellmann smcginnis | 13:15 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann, dims: Requirements updates should have a minor rev bump, correct? | 13:15 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : yes | 13:15 |
| dims | yep | 13:16 |
| dtantsur | thanks, next question: when are Queens releases going to be accepted? | 13:16 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : unless there's already a release on master that wouldn't allow the stable branch to bump the minor version | 13:16 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Got it, thanks. That's what I thought but wanted to confirm. Couldn't find a semver doc explicitly calling that out. | 13:17 |
| smcginnis | strigazi: Likely starting next week. | 13:17 |
| smcginnis | strigazi: Ooops, sorry. | 13:17 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : we usually refer to the pbr docs, but it may not have that exception in it | 13:17 |
| smcginnis | dtantsur: Likely starting next week. :) | 13:17 |
| dtantsur | good :) | 13:17 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Yeah, looking through there. It could be, but there's a lot of text to parse. ;) | 13:17 |
| dtantsur | I'm asking because we have 9.1 on stable/pike for ironic (and a similar situation coming for ironicclient), but master thinks it's 9.0.1 | 13:17 |
| dtantsur | so some downstreams will be unhappy about pike version > queens version :) | 13:18 |
| dhellmann | dtantsur : yeah, we have a similar issue every cycle | 13:18 |
| dtantsur | indeed | 13:18 |
| smcginnis | dtantsur: What do you mean by "master things it's 9.0.1"? | 13:18 |
| smcginnis | *thinks | 13:18 |
| * smcginnis obviously needs more coffee today | 13:18 | |
| dtantsur | last tag that is on master is 9.0.0, right? so, pbr by default thinks the next version is 9.0.1 | 13:19 |
| dtantsur | the same if we bump the minor version for ironicclient on pike (due to the requirements) | 13:19 |
| dtantsur | so people doing package upgrades from Pike to in-progress Queens (tripleo has a CI for it), will see packages downgrading from 9.1.0 something to 9.0.1 something | 13:19 |
| smcginnis | I won't get into my thought on deploying from master, but that should be resolved after the first official queens release. :) | 13:22 |
| dtantsur | :) | 13:22 |
| dhellmann | the case where it's a real problem is CI testing of upgrades from pike to master using packages. So that affects deployment tools and packagers' test environments. | 13:22 |
| dhellmann | unfortunately the solutions we've come up with so far require a level of synchronization that makes the upstream release work complicated :-/ | 13:24 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: I wonder - can we just do a dummy tag right away on master when it switches to trick PBR into bumping up to the next version? | 13:24 |
| dhellmann | you have to have a new patch so you're not tagging the same patch that was tagged for the branch (otherwise the new tag also appears on the branch) | 13:24 |
| dhellmann | hence, synchronization | 13:24 |
| dhellmann | the patch could actually use pbr instructions to force the level to update, so we don't even need a tag | 13:25 |
| dhellmann | but then we're back in the mode of trying to predict versions | 13:25 |
| smcginnis | Maybe not worth the effort. Unless it's part of the automation that proposes all the stable branch updates for things like .gitreview, etc. | 13:25 |
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| smcginnis | dhellmann: Oh, right. Yeah, the complexity of doing it right gets high fast. Probably not worth it. | 13:26 |
| dhellmann | so in the case of the client, if we had landed a patch on master to make it 9.1.0 we wouldn't want to use that version on the stable branch any more | 13:26 |
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| dhellmann | it does pose a challenge for distros between now and the first milestone | 13:26 |
| dhellmann | and I know the tripleo folks have found it a pain | 13:26 |
| dhellmann | so it would be nice to figure out how to solve it. we just haven't, yet. | 13:27 |
| smcginnis | Server side is easy because we could just bump major version. But the real issue is with the clients and libs, if I'm following. | 13:27 |
| dhellmann | right | 13:28 |
| dhellmann | I suppose we could propose different patches with pbr instructions based on the type of project | 13:29 |
| dhellmann | and we could do that on or after the final release date | 13:29 |
| dhellmann | waiting until then would give us time to know the "final" version on the branch | 13:30 |
| dhellmann | although if we have a minor update on the branch we'd have to have some way to bump master twice | 13:30 |
| smcginnis | Oh right. I was thinking we would still have an issue knowing what to make the minor version, but at that point it's set. | 13:30 |
| dhellmann | 2 patches feels janky | 13:30 |
| smcginnis | I wonder how often that would be an issue though. | 13:31 |
| dhellmann | the pbr instructions let us say things like "this has an incompatible change" (major version) or "this has a new feature" (minor version) | 13:31 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'm not sure | 13:31 |
| dhellmann | maybe this is something to put on the list for the ptg | 13:32 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah, wouldn't hurt to talk it through some more to see if we can come up with something decent. | 13:35 |
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| rosmaita | anyone got time for a quick look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497123/ ? dims already gave it a +2 | 13:43 |
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| rosmaita | dhellmann: ty! | 13:46 |
| dhellmann | rosmaita : np | 13:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/reno master: Integrate a setuptools command https://review.openstack.org/475033 | 13:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release of Glance Pike RC2 https://review.openstack.org/497123 | 13:50 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : where do things stand with https://review.openstack.org/495397 ? | 13:50 |
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| stephenfin | dhellmann: Think I fixed that reno setuptools integration (I'd to stop fixing the pbr version). Could you add https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475033/ to your review queue? | 13:50 |
| * stephenfin is rather chuffed to have learnt a little bit about how setuptools works | 13:51 | |
| dhellmann | stephenfin : added | 13:51 |
| stephenfin | ta :) | 13:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release neutron-fwaas-dashboard 1.0.0 for Pike https://review.openstack.org/496307 | 13:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release ironic-ui 3.0.1 for Pike https://review.openstack.org/497128 | 13:53 |
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| dtantsur | sorry guys, one thing was not clear: does bump of openstackdocstheme in test-requirements also require a minor version bump? or a patch version? | 13:55 |
| * dtantsur tries to figure our what he has to release still | 13:56 | |
| dhellmann | lbragstad : I think I gave you bad advice the other day. I don't think you need an RC3 just to update that release note build page on the branch. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496931 | 13:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release Puppet OpenStack Pike-rc1 https://review.openstack.org/496944 | 13:56 |
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| dhellmann | dtantsur : we don't usually treat the different types of dependencies differently | 13:56 |
| lbragstad | dhellmann: ok - so i can abandon that rc3 patch? | 13:56 |
| dhellmann | lbragstad : Do your current published release note look right? | 13:57 |
| lbragstad | dhellmann: yes - https://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/keystone/pike.html | 13:57 |
| dhellmann | ok, then I think it's safe to abandon that rc3 patch | 13:58 |
| dtantsur | aha, ok | 13:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Neutron projects RC2 https://review.openstack.org/494058 | 13:58 |
| dhellmann | lbragstad: when/if you tag a bug fix update, it will ship with that, but there's no sense in causing folks to retest just for that change | 13:58 |
| lbragstad | dhellmann: yeah - good point | 13:59 |
| lbragstad | thanks for the clarification! | 13:59 |
| dhellmann | lbragstad : sorry for my confusion causing you extra work | 13:59 |
| lbragstad | dhellmann: no worries - it helped me understand all of it a bit better | 13:59 |
| dhellmann | /me is glad one of us understands | 13:59 |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:00 |
| lbragstad | ;) | 14:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/releases master: Release python-ironicclient 1.17.0 for Pike https://review.openstack.org/497396 | 14:04 |
| dtantsur | wow, I like the "new-release" command, big thanks to whoever invented it! | 14:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/releases master: Release python-ironic-inspector-client 2.1.0 for Pike https://review.openstack.org/497398 | 14:07 |
| smcginnis | dtantsur: dhellmann gets the props, as usual. :) | 14:08 |
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| dtantsur | dhellmann++ | 14:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/releases master: Release sushy 1.1.0 for Pike https://review.openstack.org/497404 | 14:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/releases master: Release ironic-lib 2.10.0 for Pike https://review.openstack.org/497406 | 14:12 |
| dtantsur | smcginnis: ok, so here are four releases that to my best knowledge require a minor bump ^^^ | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | dtantsur: Great, thanks! I'll take a look shortly. | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann, dims: Do we require lib updates at this point for requirements updates? | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : ideally all of the libraries are still frozen | 14:18 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: So we wouldn't want to release the above until after the freeze. | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:19 |
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| smcginnis | dhellmann: Timely, this just came up in the glance meeting: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453416/ | 14:31 |
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| dhellmann | smcginnis : interesting. I'm curious to know how they created an empty patch like that | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | ah, there's an --allow-empty flag | 14:35 |
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| dims | interesting | 14:49 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah, I have no details about the background of that, but it was specifically to address the issue we were discussing earlier. | 14:57 |
| smcginnis | This may or may not be of interest: https://docs.openstack.org/glance/latest/contributor/release-cpl.html#final-releases | 14:57 |
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| rcrit | the openstack project, novajoin, is currently branchless. If we stick with this for now but find out later we need, say, pike-specific changes is it possible to branch later? Will this case any problem with your tooling? | 15:54 |
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| smcginnis | rcrit: It's possible to add a tag based on a specific commit hash later. | 15:57 |
| smcginnis | rcrit: But if you think this might be needed later on, it might be better to just do it now. | 15:58 |
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| rcrit | yeah, it would be nice to avoid the overhead I guess | 15:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Telles Mota Vidal Nóbrega proposed openstack/releases master: Cutting final RC for Sahara https://review.openstack.org/497525 | 17:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Telles Mota Vidal Nóbrega proposed openstack/releases master: Cutting final RC for Sahara https://review.openstack.org/497525 | 17:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/reno master: requirements: Stop requiring a specific pbr version https://review.openstack.org/497202 | 17:50 |
| mriedem | dims: smcginnis: dhellmann: just a heads up that i'm working on a fix for rc2 in nova | 18:03 |
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| dhellmann | mriedem : ack | 18:03 |
| dims | ack mriedem | 18:03 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Cool. How many more outstanding? | 18:04 |
| mriedem | good question | 18:04 |
| mriedem | let me update my etherpad | 18:04 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Or maybe better question, when are you willing to draw the line? :) | 18:04 |
| mriedem | NEVER | 18:04 |
| mriedem | i will polish this turd until it shines | 18:05 |
| smcginnis | Hah | 18:05 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann, dims: Any reason to hold the novaclient queens comment patch from Tony? Is it safe to let that land in queens? I would think so, but want to confirm. | 18:05 |
| dims | smcginnis : just a reminder, sure we can land it | 18:06 |
| dhellmann | I think it's probably safe to land, since there isn't an actual release included | 18:06 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks. +A | 18:06 |
| smcginnis | I held off on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496276/. Does it matter? | 18:07 |
| dhellmann | being cautious with the tools seems good this week | 18:08 |
| smcginnis | I know I'm asking a lot of questions lately. Hoping to do that now so I don't need to as much later. ;) | 18:08 |
| dhellmann | I appreciate it. I did the same thing to ttx when I started out. | 18:09 |
| dhellmann | There's still some stuff that's not written down all that clearly (if at all) | 18:09 |
| smcginnis | I'm sure I'll screw something up at some point, but hoping confirming a lot of my understanding minimizes that. | 18:09 |
| dhellmann | it's way better now than when it was all just in his head, but there's a lot of lore that we've only communicated directly and not in docs | 18:09 |
| dhellmann | if anything breaks we can always just tag another release :-) | 18:10 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, documentation overall is fantastic. I just need to find it sometimes. | 18:10 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it's split up a bit and that can make it hard to find the right info | 18:11 |
| dhellmann | at least it's not in the wiki :-) | 18:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Add a reminder about novaclient versions for queens https://review.openstack.org/497010 | 18:11 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : are you on the release job failure mailing list? | 18:11 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Yep, dims clued me in to that earlier on. | 18:12 |
| dhellmann | ok, good | 18:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alex Schultz proposed openstack/releases master: Release TripleO Pike - RC1 https://review.openstack.org/495397 | 19:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Cutting final RC for Sahara https://review.openstack.org/497525 | 19:28 |
| mriedem | alright, got that fix up | 19:40 |
| mriedem | bad thing is we have like 1.5 other cores around right now | 19:40 |
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| smcginnis | mriedem: Good thing you're a 10x core and can handle all of it. | 19:49 |
| mriedem | it's the review part | 19:50 |
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| dims | mriedem : this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497592/ ? | 20:12 |
| mriedem | yup | 20:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: pike: release nova 16.0.0.0rc2 https://review.openstack.org/497610 | 20:41 |
| mriedem | ok deps are set ^ | 20:41 |
| smcginnis | Nice | 20:41 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: I'm not seeing that hash in stable/pike. | 20:43 |
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| mriedem | smcginnis: b/c it's not merged yet | 20:43 |
| mriedem | depends-on | 20:43 |
| mriedem | WIPs | 20:43 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Oh, I see. | 20:43 |
| mriedem | *WIP'ed | 20:43 |
| smcginnis | WIP it real good. | 20:43 |
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| mwhahaha | dims, dhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/495397/ when you have a few :) | 20:52 |
| dims | mwhahaha : looking | 20:53 |
| mwhahaha | thank you sir | 20:54 |
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| dims | mwhahaha : very welcome | 20:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release TripleO Pike - RC1 https://review.openstack.org/495397 | 21:01 |
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| dims | dhellmann : smcginnis : neutron may need RC3 for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497009/ will watch that and we can talk tomorrow | 22:28 |
| smcginnis | dims: ack | 22:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Colleen Murphy proposed openstack/releases master: Release keystoneauth 3.2.0 https://review.openstack.org/493644 | 22:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/releases master: Octavia projects Pike release https://review.openstack.org/497690 | 22:52 |
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