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| dhellmann | smcginnis : no, I don't have channel permissions. maybe ttx does? or fungi? | 03:05 |
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| gmann_ | smcginnis: dhellmann ping. regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548939/4 | 03:12 |
| gmann_ | smcginnis: dhellmann should we release the version first and then add releasenotes page link with another patch ? | 03:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release python-ironic-inspector-client 3.1.1 https://review.openstack.org/551341 | 04:07 |
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| evrardjp | tonyb: jhesketh I'm out of bed now. | 07:21 |
| evrardjp | :) | 07:21 |
| evrardjp | if you need anything to be clarified, shoot :) | 07:22 |
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| tonyb | evrardjp: Nope I think I get it. I'll send an email to the list verifying my understanding and then we can get it squared away. | 08:17 |
| ttx | smcginnis: regarding final cycle-trailing release this week, we could tell them that if they prefer to wait, it would be ok | 08:19 |
| ttx | Let me check if I have topic setting rights | 08:19 |
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| ttx | Apparently I do | 08:21 |
| ttx | smcginnis: dhellmann has them too, we can get you added | 08:22 |
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| evrardjp | thanks tonyb | 08:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jakub Libosvar proposed openstack/releases master: Release Ocata Neutron 10.0.5 https://review.openstack.org/552462 | 10:06 |
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| tbarron | Is stable/pike still considered to be in phase 1 while https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548916 is pending ? | 11:10 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: I think so for now. We're kind of in limbo I think. | 11:19 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: ty | 11:19 |
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| ttx | smcginnis: posted about cycle-trailing relaxed rules @ http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128215.html | 12:56 |
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| smcginnis | Looks good ttx. | 13:05 |
| fungi | smcginnis: dhellmann: i can add either or both of you to chanserv's access list for this channel. ttx is already in there by virtue of being a general irc operator across all our official channels (and he could add you too, if he knows how) | 13:07 |
| ttx | fungi: dhellmann is there already | 13:07 |
| ttx | smcginnis: I altered the topic already | 13:08 |
| smcginnis | fungi: That wouldn't hurt. I don't think there is a pressing need at the moment, but if it's simple enough to do, I wouldn't mind it in case a need came up. | 13:08 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Yep, saw that. | 13:08 |
| smcginnis | Good bye 1:1 sync points. :) | 13:09 |
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| fungi | oh, yep, dhellmann was at the top of that list but somehow i skimmed right past | 13:12 |
| fungi | smcginnis: i've added you with the same perms dhellmann has | 13:13 |
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| smcginnis | Thanks fungi | 13:21 |
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| ttx | smcginnis: at PTG we said we would document a contributor ladder / release review rules, tips & tricks for anne and armstrong to follow | 13:29 |
| ttx | Not sure what the next step is, but seems like somethign we should follow up on soonish rather than too late-ish | 13:30 |
| ttx | happy to help | 13:30 |
| smcginnis | I've been thinking about how to document that, and maybe even do a recording walk through to show some things. | 13:30 |
| smcginnis | Maybe we should start an etherpad to start building an outline of what to cover in documentation. | 13:30 |
| ttx | Feels like stage 1 is to do release reviewing | 13:31 |
| ttx | stage 2 is knowing the cycle process by heart | 13:31 |
| ttx | stage 3 is knowing the whole infrastructure behind it | 13:31 |
| smcginnis | I'm not sure we have any stage 3 people any more. :) | 13:32 |
| smcginnis | Though dhellmann and fungi are close. | 13:32 |
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| * ttx draws a diagram explaining the relationship between the various steps | 13:33 | |
| ttx | for stage 1 education | 13:33 |
| smcginnis | That would be great. | 13:33 |
| ttx | I don't think we have anything like that yet. Will Google-draw it so that you can all contribute | 13:34 |
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| smcginnis | Starting to collect some notes here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/relmgmt-onboarding | 13:48 |
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| Jeffrey4l | based on the last kolla weekly meeting. team wanna to split kolla-kubernetes project from kolla namespace. since kolla-k8s and kolla-ansible are totally different, i think it is reasonable and valuable. | 14:01 |
| Jeffrey4l | kolla-k8s should have its own core team ( also exists), govermence ( meeting, irc etc) and separate PTL. | 14:02 |
| Jeffrey4l | more info about this discuss please check http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2018/kolla.2018-03-07-16.00.log.html#l-150 | 14:02 |
| Jeffrey4l | ttx, dhellmann what do you think about this ^^ and it is possible and how can we make it happen? | 14:03 |
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| fungi | Jeffrey4l: what you're talking about is making a separate "kolla kubernetes" project team under governance of the openstack technical committee | 14:12 |
| fungi | it's handled mainly with a patch to openstack/governance (in reference/projects.yaml) and submitting that for the tc to review | 14:12 |
| Jeffrey4l | yeah. | 14:13 |
| Jeffrey4l | let me try to push a patch first and let discuss base on the patch. | 14:13 |
| Jeffrey4l | thansk | 14:13 |
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| fungi | the main thing which distinguishes individual project teams is that they have their own separate elections for team lead. aside from that, there's nothing stopping a single team from having, say, more than one core review group (the infra team has dozens of different core review groups for different deliverable groupings) | 14:23 |
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| Jeffrey4l | yep. kolla already have different group for kolla-ansible & kolla-k8s. But there are still some concern for this. PTL is one of the concern. | 14:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Felipe Monteiro proposed openstack/releases master: Release Patrole 0.3..0 https://review.openstack.org/548939 | 14:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Felipe Monteiro proposed openstack/releases master: Release Patrole 0.3.0 https://review.openstack.org/548939 | 14:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack/releases master: Queens final releases for cycle-trailing tripleo projects https://review.openstack.org/552558 | 15:39 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: ^ | 15:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tom Barron proposed openstack/releases master: Add Manila project deadlines for Rocky https://review.openstack.org/552562 | 15:54 |
| ttx | Jeffrey4l: it's totally doable. More of a TC question than a release question | 15:59 |
| ttx | the teams should match how the work is organized, for sure | 15:59 |
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| ttx | SamYaple: see http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128215.html -- lets you do a "queens" release if you're interested in using the cycle-trailing model | 16:12 |
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| ttx | OpenStack-Helm prefers to stay on the independent model, so they won't make a "queens" release per se | 16:15 |
| ttx | (just got confirmation on #openstack-helm) | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | ack | 16:16 |
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| SamYaple | Jeffrey4l: for what its worth, i agree with your course of action there. +1 | 16:19 |
| SamYaple | ttx: thanks for the link. let me chat with OSH, we were talking about a slightly different release model previously | 16:19 |
| SamYaple | the idea is both LOCI and OSH can build multiple versions of openstack (even EOL) without modification. so we would end up with a wierd versioned release where the major version is for breaking non-backwards compatible changes | 16:19 |
| SamYaple | but i dont think we fully fleshed it out as we would have liked at the PTG | 16:20 |
| ttx | SamYaple: I think the independent release model would work well for such a rolling approach | 16:21 |
| ttx | (which I like a lot fwiw) | 16:21 |
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| SamYaple | ok cool. well then, at least for this cycle, lets go independant approach for loci. we will circle back in 4-5 months and re-eval | 16:22 |
| SamYaple | do i need to make a change to governancefor this? or is indepedant the default | 16:22 |
| ttx | SamYaple: no, it's more of a release model change, so limited to release team interactions | 16:23 |
| SamYaple | ok, i think ive got it | 16:23 |
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| fungi | yeah, it used to be done with governance tags until we realized it was silly to have the tc reviewing settings which were really only relevant to the release process | 16:36 |
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| SamYaple | ah thats why i remember governance tags. cool. filling in the blanks | 16:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack/releases master: Queens final releases for cycle-trailing tripleo projects https://review.openstack.org/552558 | 20:57 |
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| smcginnis | Thanks EmilienM! | 21:03 |
| EmilienM | smcginnis: :-) | 21:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release python-zunclient 1.2.0 https://review.openstack.org/552654 | 21:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Queens final releases for cycle-trailing tripleo projects https://review.openstack.org/552558 | 21:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release Patrole 0.3.0 https://review.openstack.org/548939 | 22:53 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: I saw the zun merge and thought it was for zunclient :( | 22:58 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: Oh well we can wait a little longer ;P | 22:58 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 22:58 |
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