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| dhellmann | smcginnis , ttx: when you have time, one of you should probably approve the oslo stable releases that I proposed as liaison: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/566663/ and https://review.openstack.org/566664 | 12:57 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Ack, will take a look. | 12:58 |
| smcginnis | Saw those yesterday but didn't get a chance to get back to them after zuul results. | 12:59 |
| dhellmann | no rush, but today's my review day and I don't feel right approving those | 12:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/releases master: Release keystoneauth 3.6.0 https://review.openstack.org/566930 | 15:53 |
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| dtantsur | heads up: new hacking is upon us, many gates may be broken.. | 16:22 |
| dtantsur | it seems that ironic is hard broken atm | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | Oh joy. | 16:26 |
| dtantsur | do I remember it wrong that starting with hacking 1.0 all new checks are opt-in? | 16:27 |
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| * dtantsur wonders if other projects are capping hacking at <1.1 | 16:29 | |
| dhellmann | new checks are supposed to be opt-in | 16:30 |
| dtantsur | well, they are not :) | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | ok, we should get the QA team to revert whatever wasn't opt in and do a new release | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | and I think teams can cap the version of hacking they use in their test-requirements.txt file | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | dtantsur : would you start a ML thread, please, so we have a record of the issue? | 16:31 |
| dtantsur | specifically, W605 and W606 seem to be new and on by default | 16:31 |
| dtantsur | sure | 16:31 |
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| TheJulia | oh, heh | 16:37 |
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| TheJulia | email sent | 16:43 |
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| dhellmann | dtantsur , TheJulia : I wonder if this warning is coming from hacking, or from flake8 or one of the other follow-on dependencies? | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | Isn't that from pycodestyle? | 16:54 |
| TheJulia | I have no idea yet, I'm about to try and pin hacking for ironic to unblock our gate | 16:54 |
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| TheJulia | pycodestyle updated april 10th | 16:55 |
| TheJulia | yup, pycodestyle 2.4.0 | 16:55 |
| bnemec | Yeah, hacking checks are all H*. This is probably because the new hacking pulled in a new pycodestyle. | 16:55 |
| bnemec | https://github.com/openstack-dev/hacking/commit/24d7eb6a40e565d17d06046f847590a472430b3e | 16:57 |
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| mordred | dtantsur: openstacksdk is also hard-broken | 17:18 |
| dhellmann | and pycodestyle doesn't have the same opt-in policy | 17:19 |
| dhellmann | maybe we can update hacking to disable those checks by default? | 17:19 |
| mordred | W503 and F405 are the ones that just exploded the sdk tree | 17:20 |
| mordred | and F402 | 17:22 |
| mordred | gah - E402 | 17:23 |
| bnemec | I'm not immediately seeing any way for hacking to control this. | 17:23 |
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| bnemec | The ignore configuration options would need to go in each individual project. | 17:23 |
| TheJulia | E305,W504,W605,W606,E501,F405 for ironic | 17:24 |
| dhellmann | it's not clear what is better, adding those ignore rules or capping the version of hacking being used | 17:24 |
| dhellmann | either would be 1 patch | 17:25 |
| bnemec | I thought in the past we capped hacking and projects moved the version forward on their own schedule. | 17:25 |
| dhellmann | that's what I remember, too | 17:25 |
| bnemec | At least some projects are still configured that way. | 17:26 |
| * mordred is fixing E402 and one other and blocking the other two | 17:26 | |
| bnemec | We may have gotten less careful with the hacking requirement because there hadn't been a release in so long. | 17:26 |
| clarkb | I want to say it was uncapped and we used hacking releases to control when new rules arrived | 17:27 |
| clarkb | so they eould get pushed at start of cycle typically | 17:28 |
| dhellmann | that works for rules we add, but not for rules added in dependencies of hacking | 17:28 |
| dhellmann | unless we tell hacking to cap its dependencies, which isn't happening now | 17:28 |
| bnemec | Most projects still cap hacking, from what I can see: http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=hacking&i=nope&files=test-requirements.txt&repos= | 17:29 |
| bnemec | hacking was an exception to the g-r syncs so there's quite a bit of variation in what people are using | 17:29 |
| clarkb | right it wasnt globally capped | 17:29 |
| clarkb | then controlled via early cycle releases as far as fallout went | 17:30 |
| dhellmann | that seems like a reasonable route, then, for fixing ironic | 17:30 |
| dhellmann | TheJulia, dtantsur : ^^ | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | yep, unfortunately | 17:30 |
| * dtantsur does not like upper caps.. | 17:30 | |
| dhellmann | it's not idea, but it's just a linter | 17:31 |
| TheJulia | I've pushed an explicit ignore list to master, I'm working on fixing various issues one by one | 17:31 |
| dhellmann | *ideal | 17:31 |
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| * mordred adds W503 to the list of things that drive him batty | 17:39 | |
| TheJulia | more, or to? | 17:41 |
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| TheJulia | because there seems to be a distinction | 17:41 |
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| dhellmann | I don't know what any of the rules are, but anything added to that tool after 2005 is just cruft | 17:46 |
| dhellmann | we might be better off just moving any rules we care about into hacking and using that directly as our community standard | 17:47 |
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| TheJulia | But do we not risk divergence and possibly just as frustrating days as a community further down the road if we do that? | 17:51 |
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| clarkb | W503 and W504 are actually both documented as being disabled by default | 17:57 |
| clarkb | but they are not disabled | 17:57 |
| clarkb | I mentioned this was a bug when ironic first ran into it | 17:57 |
| clarkb | I doubt its intentional, just need someone to fix it | 17:58 |
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| dhellmann | TheJulia : these are just style checks, right? if we had a stable set of them, we could get everyone on openstack doing the same thing. we don't have to be the same as everyone in the world. | 18:38 |
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| TheJulia | Not all of it are style related, but at some point it could all be argued as style changes. Otherwise it seems like it is a good mechanism to say "hey, this will be in the future" and to begin driving convergence or compliance in advance. Otherwise we run the risk of getting further into the cycle of just playing catch up. | 18:42 |
| dhellmann | I don't know what sorts of checks are not style related and what sort of divergence you're worried about. Maybe because I haven't followed recent development in pycodestyle. | 18:42 |
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| TheJulia | Just because we can, doesn't mean we should. That is all I'm aruging | 18:44 |
| dhellmann | I'm trying to consider the utility of dealing with someone else introducing things into our gate that break us. The tool has its uses, clearly. But do we get enough value out of "staying current" with it to counter act the annoyance of having the gate broken when there's a new release? | 18:45 |
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| TheJulia | Which is totally valid and only something the entire community can answer in terms of where in somethings lifecycle that they wish to expend resources. Either in moving it forward, or in maintaining. The advantage of peeling the rules off to be maintained in our community is that we are stuck at that point in time and the random breaks can be controlled. The lifts to move forward though could become more costly. | 18:50 |
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| dhellmann | I guess I don't see any benefit to ever adding any new rules, so I'm minimizing any cost of moving forward since it's not something I think we'd care about. But I may consider this particular too less valuable than others do. | 18:52 |
| dhellmann | anyway, if the easy thing to do now is just cap or set the exclusion rules, we can do that and then we can talk to the QA team about how to avoid this case better in the future | 18:53 |
| prometheanfire | should the release team be managing tap-as-a-service releases? | 19:02 |
| prometheanfire | https://github.com/openstack/tap-as-a-service | 19:02 |
| dhellmann | is that managed by an official team? | 19:02 |
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| dhellmann | it doesn't show up in the governance list with that name | 19:02 |
| smcginnis | Looks like it's a neutron thing, but not an official deliverable. | 19:02 |
| smcginnis | Not under neutron: https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/projects.yaml#L2010 | 19:03 |
| prometheanfire | they made a release to pypi, didn't know if that should have been done through the release team or not | 19:03 |
| smcginnis | And I don't see it listed elsewhere. | 19:03 |
| prometheanfire | see https://review.openstack.org/566896 | 19:03 |
| dhellmann | only if they are a governed team | 19:03 |
| dhellmann | it sounds like they're not | 19:03 |
| prometheanfire | ok | 19:03 |
| prometheanfire | ya, it's a plugin dep, so probably not | 19:04 |
| smcginnis | mlavalle: Any info on tap-as-a-service? | 19:04 |
| smcginnis | This really is a compelling statement: | 19:04 |
| smcginnis | "It's maintained. Not very active these days though." | 19:04 |
| smcginnis | :/ | 19:05 |
| mlavalle | smcginnis: they are not very active | 19:05 |
| smcginnis | mlavalle: And not an official neutron team? | 19:05 |
| mlavalle | there's someone from RH (Ricardo I think) who does some work on it | 19:05 |
| mlavalle | they are not part of the Neutron Stadium | 19:05 |
| smcginnis | OK, so not something that should be added as an official repo under neutron. | 19:06 |
| prometheanfire | probably under networking-midonet? | 19:07 |
| mlavalle | I met with Ricardo in Sydney and we agreed that since he was practically alone, it didn't make sense to burden them with the stadium requriements | 19:07 |
| mlavalle | no, I don't think so | 19:08 |
| prometheanfire | mlavalle: smcginnis I'd appreciate your comments in https://review.openstack.org/566896 about how the release process for tap-as-a-service should go then | 19:10 |
| mlavalle | prometheanfire: ahhh, I see that midonet has interest on it. yamamoto is in the Neutron drivers team. We have a meeting every Friday morning. I can discuss this with him | 19:12 |
| mlavalle | can we wait until Fridy? | 19:13 |
| smcginnis | prometheanfire: Since they are not an official project, they are pretty much on their own as far as how they want to release. | 19:13 |
| smcginnis | prometheanfire: But I will add that as a comment on the patch. | 19:13 |
| prometheanfire | mlavalle: I'm fine waiting if yamamoto is fine waiting :D | 19:13 |
| prometheanfire | smcginnis: thanks | 19:13 |
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| dhellmann | prometheanfire : it seems like we can treat this like any third-party thing that is coincidentally hosted on our infrastructure for now, can't we? it looks like they've answered all of the questions we ask about adding new dependencies. | 19:20 |
| dhellmann | the only question I have is why it's in the blacklist, but that's consistent with the other networking thinggs | 19:21 |
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| prometheanfire | dhellmann: that's what I think | 19:25 |
| mlavalle | prometheanfire, dhellmann: I agree with that | 19:27 |
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