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| ttx | smcginnis: dhellmann: Please see Tempest release management discussion at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131810.html | 12:08 |
| ttx | I just commented | 12:09 |
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| smcginnis | ttx: Ack, will take a look. | 13:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release python-zunclient 2.0.0 https://review.openstack.org/577958 | 14:57 |
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| dhellmann | ttx, smcginnis : based on that ML thread, I think we need to start treating tempest plugins as cycle-with-intermediary | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | so that it is possible to find the list of plugins that match tempest for a given cycle | 15:42 |
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| smcginnis | dhellmann: Yeah, it does seem like it so far. | 15:46 |
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| ttx | the subtlety of the difference between "releasing 19.0.0 to mark Rocky" and "making a rocky release" is still lost on me... They need a series-bound release, but don't want stable branches associated with that ? I understand that, but it's still closer (to me) to a cycle-bound model rather than an independent model | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | we can't have stable branches because we need to ensure API compatibility across releases | 16:00 |
| ttx | sure. then don't create them. Or don't use them | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | I think we will need to wait for gmann to respond to what this backwards incompatible plugin interface change concern is. | 16:00 |
| ttx | My point is, they still do a "Rocky" release so it's weird to consider them cycle-independent just because they don't have a stable branch | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | I've actually never bought in to the branchless tempest arguments though, but that's a tangent really. | 16:01 |
| ttx | "Having a release at the end of the cycle but not having a stable branch" sound like a variant on cycle-with-intermediary to me | 16:02 |
| ttx | rather than truly cycle-independent, which is about not being tied to the cycle at all | 16:03 |
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| ttx | smcginnis: it's a tangent but if the solution is to encourage plugins to be cycle-with-intermediary, the weird gets weirder | 16:03 |
| ttx | As in: plugins must be cycle-with-intermediary in order to sync with a cycle-independent thing | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | On the other hand, these are plugin more closely tied to the projects and not with tempest in some ways, so I can see some justification for having cycle based things that plug in to an independet framework. | 16:05 |
| ttx | I'd rather stop pretending tempest is not tied to the cycle, and make an exception so that it does not have stable branches | 16:08 |
| ttx | It's just on our side, how we classify it | 16:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases master: add deliverable files for the tempest plugins https://review.openstack.org/578141 | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | tempest is already cycle-with-intermediary | 16:10 |
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| ttx | ah? Good then :) | 16:19 |
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| armstrong | Hello | 18:04 |
| armstrong | I came across an abbreviation 'o.vo' | 18:04 |
| armstrong | I don't know what that means | 18:05 |
| clarkb | oslo versioned objects I think | 18:05 |
| clarkb | it is a project/repository | 18:05 |
| armstrong | ok thanks very much | 18:06 |
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| boden | hi, when networking-l2gw is installed from source (git), it installs as version 11.0.1.dev49, but its last release version is 12.0.1 (https://pypi.org/project/networking-l2gw/) which is > than it’s dev version… I find this not to be the case with other projects (ex: neutron installs as 13.0.0.0b3.dev64 and its last release is 12.0.3)… anyone know why this would be (e.g. networking-l2gw seems to have a backleveled version in | 19:02 |
| boden | master)? | 19:02 |
| smcginnis | boden: Hmm, I hadn't seen that behavior before. I'm not sure what to check there, but hopefully someone else here knows more about how that is determined. | 19:22 |
| boden | smcginnis ack thanks.. i’m asking around (shotgun approach) | 19:23 |
| smcginnis | boden: Maybe some of the infra folks might have some insight. There's a few in here, but might get their attention in the infra channel. | 19:24 |
| smcginnis | Not that it's an infra issue, just that there's a lot of smart folks there. ;) | 19:24 |
| boden | smcginnis: from clarkb -> boden: we should check with the release team to see what their suggestion is. A 13.0 tag on master or merging stable/queens into master in that special manner will fix it I think | 19:33 |
| smcginnis | boden: It looks like that repo has been doing its own releases. | 19:35 |
| smcginnis | Getting a release off of master would bump that dev version I believe. | 19:35 |
| boden | smcginnis ok so I guess I have to find someone on that team | 19:35 |
| smcginnis | boden: Nah, I'm just observing that it's not a release team managed deliverable at this point. | 19:35 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, it's not a repo under governance. So that's fine that we are not handling the releasing. | 19:36 |
| smcginnis | boden: So I'm not sure what their release process looks like, but if they do some sort of cycle-with-intermediary releasing, maybe they are ready for a rocky release off of master. | 19:37 |
| smcginnis | After that is done, I believe the dev version will recognize that and reflect a better version number. | 19:37 |
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| corvus | hi, i'd like to restart zuul. i don't see any release stuffs in progress; can you avoid releasing anything for the next bit? | 21:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Tobias Urdin proposed openstack/releases master: Add stable/luminous branch for puppet-ceph https://review.openstack.org/578209 | 21:19 |
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| smcginnis | corvus: Sounds good. | 21:24 |
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| corvus | zuul is back up, okay to proceed | 21:50 |
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| smcginnis | corvus: THanks! | 21:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tobias Urdin proposed openstack/releases master: Add stable/luminous branch for puppet-ceph https://review.openstack.org/578209 | 22:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ben Nemec proposed openstack/releases master: Oslo releases for 2018-6-26 https://review.openstack.org/578228 | 23:07 |
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| gmann | dhellmann: ttx smcginnis yea tempest is cycle-with-intermediary release. my proposal to make plugins also in same model. reading the ML .... | 23:58 |
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