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| dhellmann | smcginnis , ttx: I have some feedback from our downstream packaging folks that our plan to stop tagging milestones is going to make upgrade testing more diffcult | 13:28 |
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| dhellmann | we currently rely on "yum update" to upgrade packages, and if the version number on master is lower than on the stable branch nothing will happen | 13:28 |
| dhellmann | what do you think about automatically tagging alphas on master soon after a stable branch is created to bump the version into the next range? | 13:29 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: I remember at one point that was discussed as a potential solution to the pre/post versioning issue... and we dropped it for some reason | 13:49 |
| ttx | So currently they rely on the first milestone so that whatever they produce next upgrades correctly ? | 13:50 |
| ttx | Not a big fan of alpha =~ last release and then having no other alpha | 13:51 |
| dhellmann | yes, the problem tends to go away at the first milestone | 13:53 |
| dhellmann | the other solution we discussed was fixing that particular upgrade tool to "guess" the next version numbers on master, but that could lead to other problems later if the guess is wrong | 13:53 |
| ttx | I remember that argument when we removed the version bump from the process | 13:54 |
| dhellmann | neither of those solutions helps with cycle-with-intermediary | 13:54 |
| dhellmann | another solution proposed was to use pbr's auto-increment feature | 13:54 |
| ttx | So they already have a problem, we are just making it a bit worse (for things that would not be tagged by milestone-1) | 13:55 |
| dhellmann | it's not really clear why no other distros have this problem, unless they're not chasing master so early | 13:55 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it could persist until the RC1 now instead of M1 | 13:55 |
| dhellmann | in the past M1 has been manageable but RC1 is going to be way way too long | 13:55 |
| dhellmann | we don't have this problem upstream because we don't rely on version numbers to cause package updates | 13:56 |
| dhellmann | we forcibly install from source | 13:56 |
| ttx | I guess that would solve the weird version numbers at, for example https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/ | 13:59 |
| ttx | hmm, not really | 14:01 |
| * ttx is a bit confused with those version numbers | 14:01 | |
| smcginnis | It seems a bit odd to do beta releases just for a version number. | 14:04 |
| smcginnis | I would think for most of our services, guessing the next major version shouldn't be an issue. | 14:05 |
| smcginnis | Do they just live with the cycle-with-intermediary that don't do releases until right before the lib deadlines? | 14:05 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : yeah, apparently | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | the ones of those that we actually ship haven't traditionally had huge upgrade issues | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | ttx: rc2 makes me think that page was published from a stable branch | 14:08 |
| smcginnis | Well, I guess nothing has been set in stone yet, so the question I think is do we just leave things as is (don't fix what isn't broken) or figure out how to meet their needs without making every project do releases. | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | yeah, none of the proposed solutions feel great | 14:10 |
| smcginnis | We can just automatically propose and do the milestone releases too. Wouldn't be much extra if we are doing that for the RC. | 14:11 |
| smcginnis | Not that I really like that idea, but... | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I think I suggested we not do that because it was just more work for the 3 of us | 14:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carlos Goncalves proposed openstack/releases master: Release Octavia stable/rocky 3.0.1 https://review.openstack.org/607004 | 16:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hongbin Lu proposed openstack/releases master: Release os-ken 0.1.0 https://review.openstack.org/607010 | 18:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release os-brick 2.6.0 https://review.openstack.org/606216 | 18:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Castellan 1.0 https://review.openstack.org/606108 | 18:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Morin proposed openstack/releases master: networking-(bagpipe|bgpvpn) queens update https://review.openstack.org/601964 | 20:12 |
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