Friday, 2018-10-05

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EvilienMrelease-managers: do you mind if we push a first stein tag for tripleo projects14:18
EvilienMwe need a new nvr asap to start testing upgrades14:18
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ttxNo particular objection from me14:27
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* ttx wonders if that could cause validation problems... We'll know if you propose it14:27
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openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/releases master: First tag for TripleO Stein
EvilienMmwhahaha: ^14:53
ttxdhellmann: we seem to have an agenda for the meeting, so I guess we should have one ? happy to chair if needed14:58
ttxok, we said we'd do it async here instead15:09
evrardjpI see there are reviews up there in the etherpad.15:17
evrardjpsorry for highjacking the conversation but could someone explain , and why the first one has publish-to-pypi vs publish-to-pypi-python3 ?15:17
evrardjpI am confused15:18
dhellmannttx: sorry, I stepped away15:18
ttxdhellmann: I'll be mostly off next week (and definitely missing the meeting) so we could do a quick sync now15:19
dhellmannI mostly wanted to make sure folks saw those code patches to approve15:19
ttxdhellmann: is there any reason to further hold on approving the "Switch to cycle-with-rc" series
dhellmannwe haven't solved the upgrade version number issue that the RH team raised but I don't know if that's a reason to block15:20
ttxhmm, ok , then maybe we can keep it for smcginnis to approve early next week15:20
ttxI also ran a quick analysis of who abused the cycle-with-intermediary model in Rocky15:21
dhellmannI haven't had any new ideas on how to solve that problem. Have you given it any thought?15:21
ttx(by essentially doing a single release at the end of the cycle)15:21
evrardjpttx: tell us more :D15:21
dhellmannthat list isn't so bad15:21
ttxWe end up with the usual suspects in there15:21
dhellmannevrardjp : line 68 of
ttx(the ones we end up having to chase down at the end of the cycle to make sure they will do one)15:22
ttxI'm sure some of then will not like the idea of switching to milestone-based around milestone-2 if nothing is done yet15:22
openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases master: stop supporting legacy release jobs
dhellmannyeah, we just need to make sure they're aware15:23
dhellmannI know the telemetry team is pretty thin these days15:23
mriedemdhellmann: smcginnis: nova is ready to cut the final ocata release and tag with ocata-em - i know how to do the release, but is the tag going to be something special?15:24
dhellmannmriedem : add the ocata-em tag to a separate patch in the deliverable file in openstack/releases15:24
ttxIt's also interesting to see that most of them have been doing that (one release per cycle) for a few cycles already15:24
dhellmannmriedem : you'll probably want to re-tag the final release but I don't think that's strictly required15:24
dhellmannttx: I thought that was the whole reason this change came up :-)15:25
ttxright, so that we don;t end up in the "omg we don't have anything" panic on release weeks15:25
ttxI guess now that we don't require milestone tagging, it's just a RC tag15:26
ttxdhellmann: I was thinking that the versioning requirements might be the most problematic aspect of it15:26
dhellmannoh, incrementing the major version? that's not strictly required, it's just what most projects tend to do15:27
ttxi.e. going from semver back to full numbers15:27
ttxhmm, ok. Maybe we need to be clearer on that15:27
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ttxsome of our tools or docs may be suggesting the bump pretty strongly15:27
ttxdhellmann: how much do you think we need to proactively engage with those usual suspects before dropping the suggestion in an email ?15:28
dhellmannit would be a good idea to give them a heads-up15:29
dhellmannespecially if we expect them to object15:29
toskyoh, about version number, does it mean that we are usually not required to bump the major numbers if it's not needed from one stable to another?15:30
dhellmanntosky : right. Just the minor (y from x.y.z)15:30
ttxok, so I won't start the discussion and disappear on the other face of the planet... I'll let smcginnis start it, or pick it up when I return15:30
dhellmanntosky : we need space for patch releases on the stable branch15:30
ttxdhellmann: anything else we need to discuss today?15:31
toskywe are going to split the sahara repository into pieces mainly to have each plugin in its own repository15:31
EvilienMare you still not releasing on Fridays?15:31
dhellmannttx : I don't think so15:31
toskyso that you can upgrade a plugin from n+2 without upgrading the core (still at version n), but we didn't discuss properly how to manage the version numbers15:31
EvilienMI'm asking because in tripleo our upgrade job needs
toskywe could just bump them in sync with the core, but still tell people that newer plugins can be used in the older versions15:32
dhellmannEvilienM : you have W-1 on that15:32
toskybut maybe we can do it differently, not sure15:32
EvilienMdhellmann: because we need a patch in puppet-tripleo & tripleo-ui, as I commented15:33
dhellmannttx: enjoy your weekend and next week15:33
dhellmanntosky :  is there any particular reason not to just follow the Semantic Versioning rules?15:33
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dhellmannEvilienM : we can do releases on fridays, but constraint updates might not be merged after the weekend15:34
toskydhellmann: no, but then for consistency we should follow it for the core too and not bump the major version for each major release if there are no API changes, for example15:34
EvilienMdhellmann: oh I see15:35
EvilienMdhellmann: it's fine, we're mitigating the situation on our side15:35
dhellmanntosky : right15:35
dhellmannEvilienM : ok; let me know if you need that approved15:35
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: nova: release rocky 18.0.2
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: nova: release queens 17.0.7
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: nova: release pike 16.1.6
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: nova: release ocata 15.1.5
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: nova: tag ocata-em
mriedemmelwitt: ^15:42
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armstrongHello I missed the meeting today15:48
dhellmannarmstrong : hi, we just had a very brief meeting here in this channel today15:50
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dhellmannarmstrong : in case you don't have the scrollback, see
armstrongOk thanks15:51
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