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| EvilienM | release-managers: do you mind if we push a first stein tag for tripleo projects | 14:18 |
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| EvilienM | we need a new nvr asap to start testing upgrades | 14:18 |
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| ttx | No particular objection from me | 14:27 |
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| * ttx wonders if that could cause validation problems... We'll know if you propose it | 14:27 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack/releases master: First tag for TripleO Stein https://review.openstack.org/608282 | 14:52 |
| EvilienM | mwhahaha: ^ | 14:53 |
| ttx | dhellmann: we seem to have an agenda for the meeting, so I guess we should have one ? happy to chair if needed | 14:58 |
| ttx | ok, we said we'd do it async here instead | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | I see there are reviews up there in the etherpad. | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | sorry for highjacking the conversation but could someone explain https://review.openstack.org/#/c/607704/1/openstack_releases/project_config.py , and why the first one has publish-to-pypi vs publish-to-pypi-python3 ? | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | I am confused | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | ttx: sorry, I stepped away | 15:18 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I'll be mostly off next week (and definitely missing the meeting) so we could do a quick sync now | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | I mostly wanted to make sure folks saw those code patches to approve | 15:19 |
| ttx | dhellmann: is there any reason to further hold on approving the "Switch to cycle-with-rc" series https://review.openstack.org/#/c/606860/ | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | we haven't solved the upgrade version number issue that the RH team raised but I don't know if that's a reason to block | 15:20 |
| ttx | hmm, ok , then maybe we can keep it for smcginnis to approve early next week | 15:20 |
| ttx | I also ran a quick analysis of who abused the cycle-with-intermediary model in Rocky | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | I haven't had any new ideas on how to solve that problem. Have you given it any thought? | 15:21 |
| ttx | (by essentially doing a single release at the end of the cycle) | 15:21 |
| evrardjp | ttx: tell us more :D | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | that list isn't so bad | 15:21 |
| ttx | We end up with the usual suspects in there | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | evrardjp : line 68 of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stein-relmgt-tracking | 15:21 |
| ttx | (the ones we end up having to chase down at the end of the cycle to make sure they will do one) | 15:22 |
| ttx | I'm sure some of then will not like the idea of switching to milestone-based around milestone-2 if nothing is done yet | 15:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases master: stop supporting legacy release jobs https://review.openstack.org/607704 | 15:23 |
| ttx | them* | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we just need to make sure they're aware | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | I know the telemetry team is pretty thin these days | 15:23 |
| mriedem | dhellmann: smcginnis: nova is ready to cut the final ocata release and tag with ocata-em - i know how to do the release, but is the tag going to be something special? | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | mriedem : add the ocata-em tag to a separate patch in the deliverable file in openstack/releases | 15:24 |
| ttx | It's also interesting to see that most of them have been doing that (one release per cycle) for a few cycles already | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | mriedem : you'll probably want to re-tag the final release but I don't think that's strictly required | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I thought that was the whole reason this change came up :-) | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | likewise | 15:25 |
| ttx | right, so that we don;t end up in the "omg we don't have anything" panic on release weeks | 15:25 |
| ttx | I guess now that we don't require milestone tagging, it's just a RC tag | 15:26 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I was thinking that the versioning requirements might be the most problematic aspect of it | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | oh, incrementing the major version? that's not strictly required, it's just what most projects tend to do | 15:27 |
| ttx | i.e. going from semver back to full numbers | 15:27 |
| ttx | hmm, ok. Maybe we need to be clearer on that | 15:27 |
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| ttx | some of our tools or docs may be suggesting the bump pretty strongly | 15:27 |
| ttx | dhellmann: how much do you think we need to proactively engage with those usual suspects before dropping the suggestion in an email ? | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | it would be a good idea to give them a heads-up | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | especially if we expect them to object | 15:29 |
| tosky | oh, about version number, does it mean that we are usually not required to bump the major numbers if it's not needed from one stable to another? | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | tosky : right. Just the minor (y from x.y.z) | 15:30 |
| ttx | ok, so I won't start the discussion and disappear on the other face of the planet... I'll let smcginnis start it, or pick it up when I return | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | tosky : we need space for patch releases on the stable branch | 15:30 |
| ttx | dhellmann: anything else we need to discuss today? | 15:31 |
| tosky | we are going to split the sahara repository into pieces mainly to have each plugin in its own repository | 15:31 |
| EvilienM | are you still not releasing on Fridays? | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | ttx : I don't think so | 15:31 |
| tosky | so that you can upgrade a plugin from n+2 without upgrading the core (still at version n), but we didn't discuss properly how to manage the version numbers | 15:31 |
| EvilienM | I'm asking because in tripleo our upgrade job needs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/608282/ | 15:32 |
| tosky | we could just bump them in sync with the core, but still tell people that newer plugins can be used in the older versions | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | EvilienM : you have W-1 on that | 15:32 |
| tosky | but maybe we can do it differently, not sure | 15:32 |
| EvilienM | dhellmann: because we need a patch in puppet-tripleo & tripleo-ui, as I commented | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | ttx: enjoy your weekend and next week | 15:33 |
| EvilienM | brb | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | tosky : is there any particular reason not to just follow the Semantic Versioning rules? | 15:33 |
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| dhellmann | EvilienM : we can do releases on fridays, but constraint updates might not be merged after the weekend | 15:34 |
| tosky | dhellmann: no, but then for consistency we should follow it for the core too and not bump the major version for each major release if there are no API changes, for example | 15:34 |
| EvilienM | dhellmann: oh I see | 15:35 |
| EvilienM | dhellmann: it's fine, we're mitigating the situation on our side | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | tosky : right | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | EvilienM : ok; let me know if you need that approved | 15:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: nova: release rocky 18.0.2 https://review.openstack.org/608292 | 15:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: nova: release queens 17.0.7 https://review.openstack.org/608293 | 15:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: nova: release pike 16.1.6 https://review.openstack.org/608294 | 15:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: nova: release ocata 15.1.5 https://review.openstack.org/608295 | 15:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: nova: tag ocata-em https://review.openstack.org/608296 | 15:42 |
| mriedem | melwitt: ^ | 15:42 |
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| armstrong | Hello I missed the meeting today | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | armstrong : hi, we just had a very brief meeting here in this channel today | 15:50 |
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| dhellmann | armstrong : in case you don't have the scrollback, see http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-release/%23openstack-release.2018-10-05.log.html#t2018-10-05T14:58:07 | 15:50 |
| armstrong | Ok thanks | 15:51 |
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