Wednesday, 2019-02-13

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fungiheads up, not that i expect there are any releases getting approved at the moment, but we're taking a quick zuul scheduler restart to apply some additional debug logging changes02:01
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Li_Liuhi guys03:08
Li_Liulet's get started03:08
Li_Liuwoops... wrong channel03:08
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: stein: release oslo.db 4.43.1
mriedembnemec: smcginnis: ^ do test-requirement dep version bumps require a minor version release?13:35
mriedemhacking was updated in there13:35
mriedemotherwise it's just bug fixes13:35
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smcginnismriedem: No, test requirements don't impact packaging, so that wouldn't require a minor bump.14:01
mriedemok that's what i figured14:01
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dhellmannevrardjp : I have a few minute to do some release reviews, but it's your day so I don't want to step on your toes if you have that scheduled for later. Let me know if I should go ahead.14:25
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evrardjpI have that scheduled today after my meeting -- it should be around 34 minutes from now14:26
dhellmannsounds good14:26
dhellmannmriedem , smcginnis : the validation job is failing because of that requirements change, so I think we were enforcing minor version bumps for test dependencies14:28
dhellmannI wish we could get all of the linter dependencies out of the test list and into tox.ini directly so we could ignore them14:28
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dhellmannI think we expect distros to package what's in test-requirements.txt so they can run tests locally as part of building their packages14:30
dhellmannas far as I know, only debian runs the linters14:30
smcginnisdhellmann: Shouldn't we be ignoring that if it's a test requirement?14:30
dhellmannsee 2 lines up14:30
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smcginnisYeah, but still seems odd to me.14:30
smcginnisI didn't think we used to enforce that for test requirement changes.14:30
dhellmannI don't think anyone has touched that code in a long time. Maybe it's a bug14:32
dhellmannbut I thought we did, because distros do package test dependencies14:32
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evrardjpI am a noob there, what's the use case to do that?14:35
dhellmannthat section of the code was last changed 2017-11-2914:35
evrardjpexcept for building source packages?14:35
dhellmannevrardjp : some distros build packages and then run the unit tests as a validation of the package14:35
dhellmannat least that's what I've been told14:36
dhellmannI see no point in running a linter over a package14:36
dhellmannunit tests I do get14:36
evrardjpI don't14:36
evrardjpshouldn't that be the responsibility of the code maintainer itself? I understand some functional testing though :p14:37
evrardjpbut I guess it all means different things to different ppl, and also doesn't scale the same wy14:37
dhellmannI wonder if this is being triggered by a change in pbr14:37
dhellmannbecause our code is building the sdist and then looking at the dependency file within it14:38
dhellmannso if pbr didn't used to include the test dependencies ...14:38
dhellmannwell, unit tests are a way to ensure that the things I put in my RPM actually work in some way14:38
dhellmannthey're not sufficient, but it's a smoke test for missing a file or something like that14:38
evrardjpyeah it could14:39
dhellmannmriedem : do you use the list-changes job output when you review changes? I see you left at least one comment with the list of patches in a release, and that info (and more) is all in the list-changes report14:40
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mriedemdhellmann: i use it when reviewing chagnes,15:40
mriedembut when i submit one i look at the diff before hand to check the version to use15:41
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: stein: release oslo.db 4.44.0
mriedemdhellmann: bnemec: smcginnis: i took the easy route15:52
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evrardjpsmcginnis: everytime a projects goes to with-rc, a deployment project dies.15:59
evrardjp(Imagine the deployment projects as puppies, and it's a sad story)15:59
smcginnisIt should actually be better, because the ones that are switching are the ones that were just waiting until the very end of the cycle to do a release.15:59
smcginnisSo now there will at least be an RC available ahead of that.15:59
evrardjpthey would branch at rc time anyway, so it's still the need to regurgitate all those patches in one go... My problem is not NOT releasing at all (or late), but rather spreading the work over the cycle makes the thing easier.. But I guess it's always about tradeoffs :D16:01
evrardjpanyway it's better than not producing anything and look dead.16:01
evrardjpdhellmann: I am confused by this: (last line) vs your comment:
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evrardjp(if you could explain the pbr bit, it would be helpful, and then I can maybe adapt the docs there? )16:05
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mriedembnemec: before i'd really like to also get into that release16:08
mriedemto help with
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amotokievrardjp: hi, I commented to your question in neutron-lib release patch . I hope it answers to your question.16:46
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openstackgerritMartin Kopec proposed openstack/releases master: Update python-tempestconf to 2.1.0
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dhellmannevrardjp , diablo_rojo : nice work on the reviews this week! I went ahead and flushed the queue for the stein releases that you'd both approved.18:59
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: python-novaclient: release stein 12.0.0
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Switch Zun service to cycle-with-rc
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: tooz 1.64.1
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Switch Magnum service to cycle-with-rc
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: stein: release oslo.db 4.44.0
diablo_rojodhellmann, thanks! I plan on doing some more today. When I did them the other day there were a lot more than I had time for.19:09
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Release os-traits 0.11.0
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: osc-placement: release stein 1.4.0
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: release neutron-lib 1.24.0
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dhellmanndiablo_rojo : yeah, no worries. we're in a bit of a crunch period right now so it should slow down again before the final rush at the end of the cycle19:48
diablo_rojodhellmann, makes sense. I expected the end of release rush. Now that I am thinking about it, I suppose it makes sense there there are more ebbs and flows besides the end of release.19:50
dhellmannmilestones used to be more of a rush than they are today, but there are still a few deadlines that trigger a bunch of work in a given week20:02
openstackgerritSean McGinnis proposed openstack/releases master: Proposed release schedule for Train
smcginnisSpeaking of milestones. ^20:06
smcginnisFigured I would get the ball rolling on that.20:06
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openstackgerritKendall Nelson proposed openstack/releases master: Add Cycle-Highlights to process.rst
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/releases master: Release oslo.versionedobjects 1.35.0
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