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| hberaud | ttx: o/ around? | 09:40 |
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| ttx | yex | 09:51 |
| hberaud | cool | 09:54 |
| hberaud | ttx: can you validate these changes ASAP https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764434 I proposed to move some oslo projects to independent and this is the deadline (W1) so I want to use this patch to ensure that everything is ok and I'll apply the same changes on the other projects on the list => http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-November/018905.html | 09:56 |
| hberaud | Thanks | 09:56 |
| hberaud | ttx: In parallel I'll propose the cwi-w1 with these projects also included just in case if we won't validate the transition | 09:58 |
| ttx | I'm wondering... Not sure we should rewrite history and remove those releases from past coordinated releases | 09:59 |
| ttx | remove the wallaby file and create an empty independent file, sure | 10:00 |
| ttx | I'm trying to remember past examples of that transition and how we did it | 10:00 |
| hberaud | ttx: I copied existing transition | 10:00 |
| hberaud | I wonder too if this is correct, it seems weird to drop history | 10:01 |
| ttx | which transition did you copy? | 10:01 |
| hberaud | pbr | 10:01 |
| hberaud | and validations-* | 10:01 |
| ttx | ok looking | 10:02 |
| hberaud | but pbr is an old transition | 10:02 |
| hberaud | and validations-* was a bit different IIRC | 10:02 |
| ttx | yes pbr was a bit of a one-off since IIRC it was released in a coordinated release mostly by accident | 10:03 |
| ttx | I think we should only remove them from past coordinated releases if we consider they should never have been listed there in the first place | 10:05 |
| ttx | which is not the case for oslo, where it corresponds to a real transition | 10:05 |
| ttx | It seems less... destructive to just remove the wallaby file and create a _independent one | 10:05 |
| ttx | (empty) | 10:06 |
| ttx | worst case scenario if we realize it's not the right way to do it, we can move entries over | 10:06 |
| ttx | but I think it would work | 10:06 |
| ttx | I'll comment on the review in that direction | 10:07 |
| hberaud | I see, thanks | 10:08 |
| hberaud | Also we have few patches like stevedore, castellan, tooz | 10:09 |
| hberaud | their are also in the list | 10:09 |
| hberaud | and they need a release for wallaby | 10:09 |
| ttx | So those are on the "make independent" list, but have a few patches? | 10:10 |
| hberaud | so I suppose we need 1. to block these patches, 2. apply the transition, 3. copy the new release into the transitioned release | 10:10 |
| hberaud | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764481 | 10:10 |
| hberaud | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764480 | 10:10 |
| hberaud | I think that's all | 10:10 |
| ttx | I'd say we have two options for those | 10:11 |
| ttx | 1- Consider it's not a great moment to transition them after all, since they still have changes | 10:11 |
| ttx | (and just keep them in wallaby this cycle) | 10:11 |
| ttx | 2- Make them independent AND release those changes as an independent release | 10:11 |
| hberaud | Yes, then I think that it could be more safe to keep them in wallaby | 10:12 |
| hberaud | just in case | 10:12 |
| ttx | My preference would be... probably (1) since that transition is in theory based on the idea thatthe lib is stable | 10:12 |
| hberaud | yes | 10:12 |
| hberaud | same here | 10:12 |
| ttx | No hurry really | 10:12 |
| hberaud | ok | 10:13 |
| hberaud | I'll propose the rest of the list | 10:13 |
| ttx | ok, am around for reviews | 10:13 |
| hberaud | and keep (1) for the both | 10:14 |
| hberaud | thanks | 10:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/releases master: Moving oslo projects to independent model https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764624 | 10:28 |
| hberaud | ttx: done ^ | 10:29 |
| hberaud | I did a single all-in-one patch | 10:29 |
| ttx | ok will check in a minute | 10:30 |
| hberaud | sure np | 10:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/releases master: oslo.metrics 0.1.0 release https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764631 | 10:38 |
| ttx | LGTM | 10:39 |
| hberaud | ttx: OK, so I'll exclude them from c-w-i-w1 | 10:45 |
| ttx | +1 | 10:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: python-troveclient 6.0.0 for Wallaby https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764443 | 10:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: New bugfix release of castellan for train. https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764473 | 10:52 |
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| hberaud | ttx: I removed oslo.upgradecheck ^ I missed it was in the same situation as tooz and stevedore | 10:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: New bugfix release of tooz for ussuri. https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764474 | 10:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/releases master: Release automaton for wallaby-1 milestone https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764663 | 13:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/releases master: Release blazar-nova for wallaby-1 milestone https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764664 | 13:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/releases master: Release castellan for wallaby-1 milestone https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764665 | 13:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/releases master: Release ceilometermiddleware for wallaby-1 milestone https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764666 | 13:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/releases master: Release debtcollector for wallaby-1 milestone https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764667 | 13:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/releases master: Release futurist for wallaby-1 milestone https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764668 | 13:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/releases master: Release heat-translator for wallaby-1 milestone https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764669 | 13:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/releases master: Release ironic-lib for wallaby-1 milestone https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764670 | 13:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/releases master: Release keystoneauth for wallaby-1 milestone https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764671 | 13:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/releases master: Release kuryr for wallaby-1 milestone https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764673 | 13:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/releases master: Release metalsmith for wallaby-1 milestone https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764674 | 13:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/releases master: Release mistral-extra for wallaby-1 milestone https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764675 | 13:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/releases master: Release neutron-lib for wallaby-1 milestone https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764699 | 13:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/releases master: Release octavia-lib for wallaby-1 milestone https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764700 | 13:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/releases master: Release os-brick for wallaby-1 milestone https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764701 | 13:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/releases master: Release os-ken for wallaby-1 milestone https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764702 | 13:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/releases master: Release osc-placement for wallaby-1 milestone https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764705 | 13:23 |
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| amotoki | hberaud: do we always have to cut a release for wallaby-1 for cycle-with-intermediary model deliverable? | 14:57 |
| amotoki | hberaud: I asked it in python-neutronclient release patch https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764740 and os-ken is almost in the same situation. | 14:57 |
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| hberaud | amotoki: o/ Good question, the documentation isn't crystal clear about this but implicitly I suppose that we could answer "yes we have to cut" to your question, ttx any opinion? | 15:07 |
| hberaud | ^ | 15:07 |
| amotoki | hberaud: do you mean only victoria to wallaby transition mechanical patch is a feature enough? I am okay if the release team hopes such mechanical change as a release. | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | We should not be doing releases for things that are only CI configuration. | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | We really only want to get a release out if there are actual changes for consumers to pick up. | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | Regarding switches to independent - those should only remove the Wallaby deliverable files. The older cycle-based releases should stay in place. | 15:15 |
| hberaud | smcginnis: ack, thanks for your confirmation | 15:15 |
| hberaud | amotoki: ^ so this isn't mandatory | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | We really do these automatic proposals to make sure teams aren't accumulating changes and not thinking about releasing them until close to the end of the cycle. | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | Then there's less time and a larger number of changes, so the risk is higher that something will cause unintended side effects. | 15:18 |
| hberaud | I see, make sense | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | And it will be harder to track down what specific change caused the problem, with limited time to stabilize things as the end of the cycle is approaching. | 15:19 |
| ttx | +1 to what smcginnis said | 15:19 |
| amotoki | smcginnis: yeah, I understand it and it totally makes sense. | 15:19 |
| ttx | would probably be good to drop some of those patches based on that | 15:19 |
| hberaud | yep | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | Plus we still really want to make sure teams get two releases out there during the cycle so we know whether they will have something for this cycle or not. | 15:19 |
| amotoki | a release patch is a good trigger to check whether a team should cut a release not :-) | 15:20 |
| hberaud | :) | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | It does help as a reminder. But only when there are actual changes to be released. | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | Hmm, looks like the new gerrit doesn't like how many queries are in the dashboard. :/ | 15:21 |
| ttx | yeah, I simplified the dashboard | 15:23 |
| ttx | (I mean mine) | 15:23 |
| ttx | because there is a hard limit at 10 | 15:23 |
| ttx | BUT that limit is not new | 15:23 |
| ttx | So I suspect it's just due to us updating it for Wallaby | 15:24 |
| ttx | https://gerrit.googlesource.com/gerrit/+blame/refs/heads/master/java/com/google/gerrit/server/restapi/change/QueryChanges.java#162 | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, looks like the generated one in the docs that dropped stein works. | 15:26 |
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| smcginnis | ttx: I see where the problem is in check-release-approval for PTL-less teams. You don't have a change up for that already, right? | 15:32 |
| ttx | no | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | Great, change coming then. | 15:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: New bugfix release of tooz for wallaby. https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/764481 | 15:58 |
| TheJulia | Question for stable minded folks. We like a couple other projects still backport and try to merge fixes to EM branches, in this case queens. Is there any perceived issue with skipping any back-ports on the other em branches and just landing on the desired em branch? | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Maybe a question for #openstack-stable, but the venn diagram for the stable team is kind of a bull's eye at this point I guess. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Ideally I would think it should still go to each branch. There's a risk someone could upgrade from one EM branch to a more recent one and get a regression. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Probably a very low risk though. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | elod: Any thoughts? ^^ | 16:03 |
| TheJulia | These sorts of things are highly targetted and if we don't skip then we're basically adding 1-4 weeks of delay and work unless we just stip all testing off the EM branches we don't care about | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Since there won't be any official releases containing these fixes, that's probably safe to do. If someone actually does want to upgrade from one EM release to another, they will need to be manually pulling in fixes anyone. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Probably not too burdensome to have to pull in a fix from another branch if needed. | 16:06 |
| TheJulia | yeah | 16:12 |
| elod | smcginnis TheJulia : well, according to stable policy, to skip a branch is not an option, and I would not recommend either. imagine that someone uses a different EM branch than you are backporting to (e.g. rocky). so this could be confusing | 16:13 |
| TheJulia | I just feel like there will be resistance to nuking em-branch testing except for the branch we want testing workin on | 16:13 |
| TheJulia | elod: Perhaps stable policy needs to be revisited? I'e seen this pattern a couple times before, and it came up during ironic's PTG so we wanted to clarify the take on such | 16:14 |
| elod | also If a patch is fixed on master and newer branches, and the patch is working in older EM branch, then I don't see why it should not merge in time in less older branches | 16:14 |
| TheJulia | Keeping CI working on older branches has sunk human months of my time in the past couple of years | 16:15 |
| TheJulia | it is an endless battle. | 16:15 |
| elod | TheJulia: I remember the discussion @ Shanghai | 16:15 |
| elod | but I don't remember what was the exact end of the discussion, to be honest :) | 16:16 |
| elod | TheJulia: I completely understand. I feel like if we are fixing the CI branch-by-branch is not that greater burden than to fix it on a (very) old EM branch | 16:17 |
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| elod | just fixing the (very) old EM branch is also a big burden itself, I mean | 16:18 |
| TheJulia | Unfortunately it is often one offs from the evolution of testing and the performance variation that seems to shoot us in the foot | 16:19 |
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| TheJulia | yeah | 16:19 |
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| elod | by skipping maintaining specific EM branches means (as I understand) some kind of an LTS, where the whole Extended Maintenance discussion started and introduced as a more feasible solution | 16:22 |
| elod | around beginning of 2018 | 16:23 |
| elod | (and waaaay before that afaik) | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | That's a good point elod. This really is an LTS versus EM discussion. And at least last time it was discussed, the community did not want to support LTS. | 16:25 |
| elod | TheJulia: if I can help with my reviews to speed up backporting to EM branches, then let me know, add me as a reviewer and I'll try to help :) | 16:26 |
| elod | smcginnis: yes, at least that was the resolution, that community does not want and cannot support an LTS process. | 16:30 |
| TheJulia | the community as a whole, but some of us responsible for things downstream still need the upstream tests upfront to be good | 16:34 |
| elod | that's true | 16:38 |
| elod | but again, I think it's a very rare case, when a CI works well in e.g. back till stein, and does not work in rocky, but still works in queens. so usually if CI on rocky is broken, then queens has the very same issue (plus others) | 16:42 |
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| smcginnis | hberaud: Did you want to continue to do single core approvals for the current series releases? Or require two cores like we do for stable releases? | 17:22 |
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| hberaud | smcginnis: If possible I prefer two cores validations if no we aren't in hurry | 18:48 |
| hberaud | the double checks are more safe | 18:51 |
| smcginnis | OK, sounds good. | 18:52 |
| hberaud | smcginnis: do you think about something? | 18:53 |
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| smcginnis | hberaud: Sorry, what was that? | 19:49 |
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| hberaud | smcginnis: I was thinking that you thinking about something related to the "two cores requires" and that you wanted to propose something. I surely supposed too much :) | 20:26 |
| hberaud | s/that you thinking/that you was thinking/ | 20:27 |
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| smcginnis | hberaud: Oh, no. Just seeing if you wanted to keep things with the single core or do two cores instead since I noticed you usually didn't single approve. | 22:24 |
| smcginnis | Meant to bring it up in a meeting so you could officially make the policy change, but since there's just a few of us, probably no need to. The statement above is probably enough. | 22:26 |
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