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| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, fwiw small update for savanna stuff - now we have a bunch of CLI tests in tempest and going to gate savanna and it'd client together (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74310/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68151/), re i3 - it looks ok - https://launchpad.net/savanna/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 12:14 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: ack, great | 12:24 |
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| ttx | jd__: around? | 13:06 |
| ttx | dolphm, dhellmann, markmcclain, jgriffith: just ping me when you have 5 min | 13:08 |
| dolphm | ttx: o/ | 13:08 |
| jd__ | ttx: in 10 minutes | 13:08 |
| ttx | dolphm: quick look at your i3 status | 13:08 |
| ttx | jd__: ack | 13:08 |
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| dolphm | we bumped ephemeral tokens to next/juno-1, as it turned out there was more refactoring required than expected | 13:09 |
| ttx | dolphm: is dogpile-kvs-backends completed with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70523/ ? | 13:09 |
| dolphm | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60741/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60743/ are both tracked against that bp as well | 13:10 |
| ttx | password-rotation is not "needs code review" while we are past your FeatureProposalFreeze -- you gave it an exception ? | 13:10 |
| dolphm | we haven't discussed any exceptions yet | 13:11 |
| dolphm | that one should probably be bumped | 13:11 |
| dolphm | done | 13:12 |
| ttx | dolphm: you can wait for your meeting to discuss it. If it's close to being proposed... | 13:12 |
| ttx | ok :) | 13:12 |
| dolphm | if it shows up in whole today, then we'll see :) | 13:12 |
| dolphm | we can still land the supporting changes that have been proposed | 13:12 |
| ttx | dolphm: you're the sole decider on how strictly you want to enforce that freeze | 13:12 |
| ttx | since it's more an organizational thing | 13:13 |
| ttx | ok, you look in great shape | 13:13 |
| dolphm | that's shocking to hear | 13:13 |
| dolphm | i don't think keystone has ever had this many bp's tracked against it in a single milestone | 13:14 |
| ttx | but still, you definitely are on track | 13:14 |
| dolphm | i'll assume thats relative then lol | 13:14 |
| ttx | yeah | 13:15 |
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| ttx | jd__: around now ? | 13:38 |
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| jd__ | ttx: o/ | 13:39 |
| ttx | jd__: https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 13:39 |
| ttx | Is complex-filter-expressions-in-api-queries completed ? | 13:39 |
| jd__ | let me check | 13:40 |
| jd__ | yeah I think the patch set are all there but we didn't review everything yet | 13:40 |
| ttx | jd__: couldn't find unmerged ones | 13:40 |
| jd__ | ttx: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/complex-filter-expressions-in-api-queries,n,z I think | 13:40 |
| ttx | jd__: hah, ok | 13:41 |
| jd__ | though some have been merged indeed | 13:41 |
| ttx | jd__: overall this looks very late and would benefit from early deferrals, to focus the review effort on things that might actually be completed in time | 13:41 |
| jd__ | agreed | 13:41 |
| ttx | I fear that otherwise you'll reach i-" without anything completed but everything "almost there" | 13:42 |
| ttx | i-3 even | 13:42 |
| * jd__ nods | 13:42 | |
| ttx | jd__: could you do some serious cuts at your next team meeting ? | 13:42 |
| jd__ | ttx: yep I'll do that | 13:42 |
| ttx | like, everything not started and everything else you know won't be proposed in time | 13:43 |
| ttx | as it's only two weeks left | 13:43 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/meter-table-sql needs to be triaged -- If code is proposed you could set it to Low | 13:43 |
| jd__ | done | 13:44 |
| ttx | jd__: I'd defer half of them. I think you can complete 12-14 but not a lot more | 13:45 |
| ttx | (*if* you don't pursue too many rabbits at the same time) | 13:45 |
| jd__ | yup | 13:45 |
| ttx | jd__: is your meeting today or tomorrow ? | 13:45 |
| jd__ | ttx: tomorrow | 13:46 |
| ttx | ok, will try to follow it | 13:46 |
| ttx | jd__: thanks! | 13:46 |
| jd__ | you're welcome :) | 13:46 |
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| ttx | dhellmann, jgriffith, notmyname, russellb: ping me when you have 5 min so that we do a quick status update | 15:05 |
| russellb | ttx: ack will do, need a bit | 15:05 |
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| ttx | markmcclain, dklyle: ping me when you have 5 min so that we do a quick status update | 15:05 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: ping | 15:18 |
| ttx | dhellmann: hi! | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | ttx: hi! | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | I've cleaned up the oslo and oslo.messaging i3 pages, so I think they're accurate | 15:19 |
| ttx | dhellmann: https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/icehouse-3 looks good -- a bit late in converting to "implemented" | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | we do still have a lot of code in review | 15:19 |
| ttx | bug 1271706 could use an assignee | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | oops, missed that, I'll fix it | 15:20 |
| ttx | dhellmann: the two last "in progress" are still on track to have code proposed soon ? | 15:20 |
| ttx | i mean, "good progress" | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | I need to find sveltlana, but I think that models migration one is going to miss | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | the memoized wrapper from shawn needs tests, but there was a review with the production code | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | if I don't see something by next week, I'll remove that one | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | and I'm just going to remove the other today | 15:22 |
| ttx | sounds good to me | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | actually, there are a bunch of changes up for revie | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | review | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | so I set the models migration one to needs review | 15:22 |
| ttx | ok | 15:23 |
| ttx | dhellmann: that's all I had, thank you! | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | thanks | 15:23 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: time for a quick question? | 15:26 |
| ttx | dhellmann: sure | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | oslo adopted several new libraries, which don't really have any blueprints or bugs that aren't also being tracked elsewhere | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | however, that may change | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | reviewing 6+ pages is going to be a pain | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | how is storyboard coming along? :-) | 15:27 |
| ttx | hah | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | for now, I'm having all new oslo.foo libraries just use the oslo group | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | to cut down on proliferation | 15:27 |
| ttx | We hope to have infra migrated to it before Atlanta, and brag about it there. Then I agree that oslo is a natural dogfooding candidate | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | great | 15:28 |
| ttx | It's going slightly less fast those days as the main dev for the JS side is away | 15:28 |
| ttx | but he should soon be back | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | ok -- let me know when you're ready to beta test | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | can we import existing data from launchpad? | 15:29 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: that's part of the plan | 15:41 |
| ttx | david-lyle: ping me when you have ( min | 15:41 |
| ttx | or 5 min | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ok, good | 15:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | russellb: I am good now XenAPI meeting is over | 15:46 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: ah didn't realize you were in meeting, sorry | 15:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | no worries | 15:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | Citrix's XenServer CI is up and running, and reporting, so I am happy | 15:47 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: *awesome* news | 15:48 |
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| russellb | ttx: hi! we're ready to talk nova | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: a few rough edges, but its getting close | 15:48 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: expected when it first turns up | 15:49 |
| ttx | russellb, johnthetubaguy: hi! | 15:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | hi | 15:49 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 15:49 |
| russellb | first thing, johnthetubaguy has agreed to be blueprint czar :-) | 15:49 |
| ttx | yay | 15:49 |
| russellb | so i think he should join us for this weekly chat | 15:49 |
| russellb | proposal deadline was yesterday, so now we have a big chunk we can start going through and deferring | 15:49 |
| ttx | right | 15:50 |
| ttx | I thought I should talk to you once the cleanup is done | 15:50 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: and you've started some scripting around this? | 15:50 |
| ttx | rather than before | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: yeah, let me paste some stuff | 15:50 |
| russellb | i'm sure ttx would be interested in any scripting around blueprints | 15:50 |
| ttx | russellb: do you wish to give the Highmedium a free pass ? | 15:50 |
| russellb | ttx: some of them at least, but probably not the v3 API ones | 15:51 |
| russellb | which is a lot of it | 15:51 |
| ttx | ok | 15:51 |
| russellb | because (about to start a thread on this) I don't think we're going to mark v3 stable for icehouse | 15:51 |
| russellb | so it's not critical that we merge it all at that point | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: is this task api slippage? | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | and nova-network | 15:52 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: that's part of it, but there's more | 15:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: OK | 15:52 |
| ttx | russellb: I think at this point you can still have ~20% without code proposed yet, but probably not more | 15:52 |
| russellb | ttx: ok | 15:52 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: we can catch up after this on it if you'd like | 15:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: sure | 15:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was going to track progress here: | 15:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-icehouse-blueprint-cull | 15:52 |
| ttx | vmware-image-cache-management is marked as depending on multiple-image-cache-handlers (Undefined, aloga, next) | 15:53 |
| russellb | i think we can remove that relationship | 15:53 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-image-cache-management | 15:53 |
| ttx | will do | 15:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 15:53 |
| russellb | i think i added that before i had looked close enough | 15:53 |
| ttx | done | 15:53 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: we should come up with some boilerplate text for all of the blueprints we defer based on this deadline | 15:54 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: we can do that on your etherpad | 15:54 |
| ttx | so rather than wasting your time now, you should ping me again when most of the culling is done | 15:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds good | 15:54 |
| ttx | like after the meeting | 15:54 |
| russellb | ttx: OK, it's never a waste of time catching up with you though :-) | 15:54 |
| ttx | culling should really help in review prioritization -- not waste time on stuff where the code is not fully proposed yet | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 15:56 |
| ttx | also should reduce the number of half-implemented featrues | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am trying to get a list of patches vs blueprints from this: https://github.com/JohnGarbutt/gerrit-bp-lp | 15:56 |
| russellb | ttx: it's helpful to me to bounce off where I think we are in our process, even if our list is still a mess | 15:56 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: oh | 15:57 |
| russellb | that actually reminds me | 15:57 |
| russellb | that i think i have script that does something similar | 15:57 |
| russellb | i lied. | 15:57 |
| russellb | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/reviewstats/tree/reviewstats/cmd/reviews_for_bugs.py | 15:58 |
| ttx | russellb: I can already tell you're late in converting to implemented, even if everything not "needscodereview" was culled | 15:58 |
| russellb | i had a script to find reviews for bugs targeted at a given milestone | 15:58 |
| russellb | ttx: yeah, it's a combo of nobody updating their own blueprints, and it being too many to stay on top of updating myself | 15:58 |
| russellb | hopefully john's help, and some more scripting will help some :-) | 15:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: here is the output as of this morning (it misses out some patches though, need to fix that): http://paste.openstack.org/show/67290/ | 15:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I am hoping to keep on top of this weekly | 15:59 |
| russellb | ttx: late as in, we haven't merged enough? or as in, our list is outdated with reality? | 15:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | and hoping to tune a script to do that | 15:59 |
| ttx | not merged enough | 15:59 |
| russellb | ah | 15:59 |
| russellb | yeah, that sounds right | 15:59 |
| ttx | Only 6 finalized | 15:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, +1 | 15:59 |
| ttx | once you remove all the "Low" ones that are not fully code-proposed, you should start seeing more clearly | 16:00 |
| russellb | next release we're going to try something different ... not allow even targeting until most of the code is ready, i think | 16:00 |
| ttx | so I'd start with those | 16:00 |
| russellb | sounds like a good plan | 16:00 |
| ttx | because at this point the sheer number of them is just confusing | 16:00 |
| russellb | agreed with that :) | 16:01 |
| ttx | and unproposed Low ones should be no-brainer deferrals | 16:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 16:01 |
| ttx | still, a cursory check is needed to check it's not just a BP status mismatch | 16:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | I will try update this with the correct list: | 16:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | http://paste.openstack.org/show/67290/ | 16:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, certainly | 16:01 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: I used to do it for Nova, then Russell took it over, then you :) | 16:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | :) | 16:02 |
| * russellb still intends to help, i just can't do it alone anymore | 16:02 | |
| russellb | very happy for johnthetubaguy to lead it though | 16:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | I hope to learn from the masters of this | 16:02 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy, russellb: also at the next meeting you can cull the buglist, like remove targeted bugs that are not assigned to anyone | 16:02 |
| ttx | unlikely to get fixed before i3 | 16:02 |
| russellb | good idea | 16:03 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: this week's meeting is the early one, so you should be able to join right? | 16:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have a bug czar now, but that makes sense | 16:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep | 16:03 |
| russellb | yeah, once she gets ramped up, may make sense to have her here too | 16:03 |
| russellb | the nova release management interface team ... or something | 16:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | the other thing, is bugs in progress for over a few weeks, and no patches, etc | 16:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | should go back to triaged, etc | 16:04 |
| russellb | we end up with bugs getting targeted at some random point, and then they just carried from milestone to milestone | 16:04 |
| russellb | so every milestone has this big list of cruft | 16:04 |
| ttx | russellb, johnthetubaguy: ok, won't take up more of your precious time | 16:04 |
| russellb | ttx: thanks! | 16:04 |
| russellb | thanks for your time i mean :-) | 16:04 |
| ttx | we can synbc again on.. Friday | 16:04 |
| russellb | ok | 16:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds good | 16:05 |
| ttx | should look better by then | 16:05 |
| russellb | hope so :) | 16:05 |
| russellb | but i'm afraid that's where we are too many weeks :( | 16:05 |
| russellb | "wow that's a mess ... go fix it and come back to me" | 16:05 |
| * russellb hopes to have less of those going forward | 16:05 | |
| johnthetubaguy | :) | 16:05 |
| russellb | a big sign of what we did this cycle not working, time to rework the process | 16:05 |
| russellb | blueprint and bug czars, stricter rules about when blueprints can be targeted | 16:06 |
| russellb | are the things i'm banking on | 16:06 |
| ttx | russellb: I'm brainstorming on how to best express targets and priorities | 16:06 |
| russellb | cool | 16:06 |
| russellb | i feel like we need something in between "people communicating what they think" vs, project accepting it onto the list for a milestone | 16:06 |
| russellb | just really hard to do that well right now | 16:07 |
| ttx | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard/Priority | 16:07 |
| ttx | see user stories in particular | 16:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | yah, I would love to see release prioritiy themes if its obvious | 16:08 |
| russellb | parallel priorities +1 | 16:08 |
| russellb | cool, good ideas on there | 16:09 |
| ttx | still pretty much on the drawing board. i want it to be flexible and useful | 16:10 |
| ttx | jgriffith, david-lyle: ping me when you have 5 min | 16:11 |
| david-lyle | ttx: o/ | 16:12 |
| ttx | david-lyle: quick look at https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 16:12 |
| ttx | david-lyle: at this point you should seriously question anything that doesn't have code proposed yet | 16:13 |
| ttx | i.e. only keep stuff where you know the change will be proposed really soon | 16:13 |
| ttx | david-lyle: but you're globally on track. Could have a little more code proposed and a little more "implemented" | 16:15 |
| ttx | neutron-subnet-mode-support is marked Blocked ? | 16:15 |
| david-lyle | I'm keeping tabs on the ones with pending code. I trust it will be there. other than the validation bp, I will bump that | 16:15 |
| david-lyle | waiting for patches to land in neutron and neutron-client, small lift for horizon for high priority feature in neutron | 16:16 |
| ttx | ok, blocking on landing from neutron | 16:16 |
| david-lyle | may require a FFE if we get to that point, hopefully we won't | 16:16 |
| ttx | david-lyle: ok, could make a good feature freeze exception | 16:16 |
| ttx | ok | 16:16 |
| ttx | david-lyle: also you should check the unassigned bugs and maybe untarget them if nobody will be working on them in time for i3 | 16:17 |
| ttx | david-lyle: that's all I had | 16:17 |
| david-lyle | the only high, I will pick up if no one else does, the others can bump if no one takes them | 16:18 |
| david-lyle | ttx: great thanks | 16:18 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: got 5 minutes for a quick status update ? | 16:59 |
| markmcclain | ttx: in meeting right now.. you going to be around 3.5 hrs from now? | 17:00 |
| ttx | markmcclain: no. So ping me tomorrow | 17:00 |
| ttx | no hurry | 17:00 |
| markmcclain | ok.. I'll ping you then | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | ttx: pong | 17:01 |
| ttx | jgriffith: o/ | 17:11 |
| ttx | jgriffith: IIRC you wanted to follow the featureProposalFreeze | 17:12 |
| ttx | jgriffith: so you should probably go over the BPs now and defer those which haven't code proposed yet and you don't want to give a free pass to | 17:12 |
| ttx | jgriffith: you still around ? | 17:18 |
| ttx | I guess that counts as no | 17:22 |
| * ttx needs to go. Those I haven't talked to today, expect me pinging you tomorrow | 17:23 | |
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| stevebaker | ttx: I'm about | 22:11 |
| notmyname | stevebaker: he said he'd catch us tomorrow | 22:11 |
| stevebaker | ttx: ok | 22:11 |
| stevebaker | notmyname: ok | 22:12 |
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