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| Kiall | ttx: Heya - just confirming our meet is in 45mins? | 11:46 |
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| ttx | Kiall: confirled | 12:18 |
| ttx | s/l/m | 12:18 |
| Kiall | Heya :) | 12:28 |
| ttx | #startmeeting incub_sync | 12:29 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 3 12:29:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:29 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:29 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'incub_sync' | 12:29 |
| ttx | #topic Designate | 12:29 |
| ttx | Kiall: hi! | 12:29 |
| Kiall | Heya :) So, first time doing one of these. Could you give me an intro? :) | 12:29 |
| ttx | Well, it's more to ensure you have time to ask questions, and so that we sync on juno status | 12:30 |
| ttx | the latter becomes more important as you start to have your mielstones published by release management rather than yourself | 12:30 |
| ttx | basically, we gradually make sure you handle releases and the release cycle in the common way | 12:30 |
| ttx | and have opportunity to learn and ask questions while doing so | 12:31 |
| ttx | At this point, designate always did its own release work | 12:31 |
| Kiall | Okay - sure.. I guess that leads to my first question then :) When do we start having you handle releases? I'm guessing it's not "now" - but sometime soon? | 12:31 |
| ttx | although it's already aligned with the release series | 12:31 |
| Kiall | Yea, our process is 99% identical. Although, we did miss/skip j1 | 12:32 |
| ttx | what do you want to do with j1 ? Should we mark is done/inactive? | 12:32 |
| ttx | it* | 12:32 |
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| Kiall | I was considering simply cutting a j1 release sometime in the next few days - But, not sure it's worth it. We have very little user facing changes so far - it's all been core work. | 12:33 |
| ttx | alternatively we can move everything to j2 and "cancel" j1 | 12:33 |
| ttx | your call | 12:34 |
| Kiall | Okay - That sounds like as good a plan, we'll migrate all the bugs/bps and close j1 on launchpad. | 12:34 |
| ttx | we can switch to release-management managed releases for j2 | 12:34 |
| ttx | if you think you can hit the deadline | 12:35 |
| ttx | the tooling should be mostly ready | 12:35 |
| ttx | we'll just have to adjust a few permissions in LP | 12:35 |
| Kiall | Okay, that depends on what you need from us :) We should be following the process pretty closely already, but there may be a few small things. | 12:35 |
| ttx | if we do that now I can use scripts to move everything to j2 and cancel j1 for you | 12:35 |
| Kiall | I actually believe you should already have access - the designate LP projects are marked as part of openstack | 12:35 |
| ttx | that's unfortunately not enough ;) You need to set openstack-admins as maintainer of https://launchpad.net/designate | 12:36 |
| Kiall | So - you should inherit perms via that, correct? | 12:36 |
| ttx | and then add the openstack-release group in the designate-drivers group | 12:36 |
| Kiall | Okay. I'll do that straight after our meet. | 12:36 |
| Kiall | So - Is there anything else we might need to change before j2 for you to be able to handle the releases? | 12:37 |
| ttx | you'll keep rights over the project via the designate-drivers group still being the "drivers" of the project | 12:37 |
| ttx | I don't think so | 12:37 |
| ttx | I shall inherit everything needed from "all projects" in gerrit | 12:38 |
| Kiall | Okay - Excellent. | 12:38 |
| ttx | could you set the Lp perms now ? Then i can use my scripts to move bugs around | 12:38 |
| Kiall | Sure | 12:38 |
| ttx | that way you won't have to manually do it and we can agree o nthe result | 12:38 |
| Kiall | Done on both designate and python-designateclient | 12:39 |
| ttx | then it's just a question of you letting me know of a master SHA you'd like to tag as juno-2, ideally during the juno-2 common week | 12:39 |
| ttx | and i'll run the script to make it happen | 12:39 |
| Kiall | Okay - That's no problem | 12:39 |
| ttx | ok, let me try the defer bug script | 12:40 |
| Kiall | So, another question. We have a in-tree DevStack plugin, and HP has a (currently not open source) Horizon plugin. We'd like to get these merged to devstack/horizon - is that something we can do yet? | 12:40 |
| ttx | it's a bit of a chicken-and-egg, and the TC resolved that it's something you shall do during your first integrated cycle (between the time you graduated to integrated and the first release as integrated) | 12:41 |
| ttx | so for example sahara is doing it during the Juno cycle | 12:41 |
| * SergeyLukjanov lurking | 12:41 | |
| ttx | but then you need to opensource it first ;) | 12:41 |
| Kiall | Okay, so that's a "not yet" then? | 12:41 |
| ttx | yes, not yet, but I'd work (1) on opensourcing it and (2) in getting horizon devs feedback on it | 12:42 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov can let you know how he did it | 12:42 |
| Kiall | Yea - our Horizon team are not wanting to maintain it in two places, so really want to push it into horizon rather than another repo. | 12:42 |
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| ttx | Kiall: at this point you should probably publish it in a git repo under the designate program | 12:42 |
| ttx | and maintain it there until horizon can take it | 12:42 |
| ttx | like sahara did with openstack/sahara-dashboard | 12:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup, and then you could ask horizon devs to take a look on it | 12:43 |
| Kiall | Yea, that's plan B :) I have Endre extracting it from our internal horizon fork at the moment, then we'll need to pass it through our open source process. | 12:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and when you'll be integrated you'll start merging hell | 12:43 |
| Kiall | :) | 12:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Kiall, the super huge pros of such approach - ability to easy hack your dashboard code | 12:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it'll be impossible after merging into horizon | 12:45 |
| Kiall | Okay - So, another question, beyond looking after the project itself, are they any other expectations for PTLs? | 12:45 |
| ttx | Kiall: small note, you should not be using "Juno" series in your bugs, like in https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1271493 | 12:45 |
| Kiall | (+ beyond this weekly sync up :)) | 12:45 |
| ttx | just use the default series | 12:45 |
| ttx | otherwise most scripts are confused | 12:45 |
| Kiall | Oh. Okay, I think all our bugs are like that | 12:46 |
| ttx | no only 3 of them were | 12:46 |
| ttx | (from the j-1 targeted things at least) | 12:46 |
| ttx | the default series means 'the series under development" | 12:46 |
| Kiall | Ah - Yea, there is piles more which aren't on j1. | 12:46 |
| ttx | juno series is a bit of a corner case in Lp | 12:47 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/juno-1 is now empty | 12:47 |
| ttx | shal I just delete it now ? | 12:47 |
| Kiall | Sur | 12:47 |
| Kiall | Sure* | 12:47 |
| ttx | OK, so we are good | 12:47 |
| Kiall | Should we fix any bugs targeted to Juno BTW? | 12:48 |
| ttx | bah don't bother | 12:48 |
| ttx | we'll catch them when the scripts fail | 12:48 |
| Kiall | Okay | 12:48 |
| ttx | fwiw development milestoes are just point in time | 12:48 |
| ttx | a common time reference, handy for rough targeting estimates | 12:49 |
| ttx | it's not supposed to be a lot better or worse than any point in master | 12:49 |
| ttx | although we try to avoid tagging when it's utterly broken | 12:49 |
| Kiall | Makes sense. | 12:49 |
| Kiall | So, another question, beyond looking after the project itself, are they any other expectations for PTLs? | 12:50 |
| ttx | OK, that's all i had for today. like I said, next week we'll have a look at the j-2 targeted content and try to see if it makes any sense | 12:50 |
| ttx | Kill: did you read https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTLguide ? | 12:50 |
| ttx | Kiall: ^ | 12:50 |
| ttx | Hmm, looks like I need to update it a bit | 12:51 |
| ttx | the whole milestone-proposed thing is a bit outdated now | 12:51 |
| Kiall | ttx: Aha - I was looking for a page like that, and missed it. | 12:51 |
| ttx | I will update it, but I suspect most of it will still be current | 12:51 |
| ttx | I'll have it updated before next week sync point | 12:51 |
| Kiall | Okay - I've watched the page, once you have updated I'll review it | 12:51 |
| ttx | #action ttx to update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTLguide | 12:51 |
| ttx | Ok, that's enough for a first contact :) | 12:52 |
| ttx | talk to you next week! | 12:52 |
| Kiall | Thanks ttx - cya :) | 12:52 |
| ttx | (unelss you have another question) | 12:52 |
| Kiall | No, that's it for now :) | 12:52 |
| ttx | OK! have a good day! | 12:52 |
| Kiall | same to you :) | 12:53 |
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| flaper87 | bu28 | 15:20 |
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| ttx | jraim: around? | 15:31 |
| ttx | devananda: ready when you are | 15:39 |
| devananda | ttx: hi! | 15:40 |
| ttx | looks like you're the only one around again :) | 15:40 |
| devananda | huh | 15:40 |
| ttx | #topic Ironic | 15:40 |
| ttx | well, I had kiall this morning | 15:40 |
| devananda | only real news from last week is http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/039031.html | 15:40 |
| * flaper87 is around for Marconi | 15:41 | |
| devananda | ironic core team did a hangout, looked at our notes from the summit, and tried to evaluate where we are on accomplishing them | 15:41 |
| devananda | that email summarizes it | 15:41 |
| devananda | oh, and one other news | 15:41 |
| devananda | Nova approved the spec for an ironic virt driver | 15:42 |
| ttx | devananda: cool | 15:42 |
| devananda | so I'm quickly prepping the code for landing it there. | 15:42 |
| ttx | devananda: is https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/juno-2 up to date with the plan described in the Google spreadsheet ? | 15:42 |
| devananda | no | 15:42 |
| ttx | Looks a bit thin | 15:42 |
| ttx | ok | 15:42 |
| ttx | You use specs iirc | 15:43 |
| devananda | yes, however many of them haven't landed | 15:43 |
| ttx | You can use http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/release-tools/tree/spec2bp.py to keep spec in line with spec state | 15:43 |
| devananda | I'm hoping to corralle the spec review team into landing them by next week, then i'll target. it seems a bit rushed | 15:43 |
| devananda | fwiw, we've also got 33 open specs right now | 15:44 |
| ttx | as long as the spec and the blueprint have the same name, you can run the script when the spec is approved | 15:44 |
| ttx | as long as you're incubated it's not a big deal if the bleuprint plan lags a bit | 15:44 |
| ttx | since it's not published as part of http://status.openstack.org/release/ | 15:45 |
| devananda | ack | 15:45 |
| devananda | it's a bit awkward to be incubated and also juggling not just early adopters but a few companies' product plans :) | 15:45 |
| ttx | but as you get closer to j-2 it's good to bring the blueprint landscape in sync | 15:46 |
| devananda | will do | 15:46 |
| ttx | incubated is not really about stability or maturity, it's really about integration | 15:46 |
| ttx | and process convergence | 15:46 |
| devananda | yes | 15:46 |
| ttx | the name is a bit of a misnomer | 15:46 |
| devananda | i'm well aware of that | 15:46 |
| ttx | learning-integration is a mouthful though | 15:47 |
| ttx | planning to tag j-2 on the common j2 week? | 15:47 |
| devananda | that's the current plan | 15:48 |
| ttx | #info Ironic planning to do j2 on integrated j2 week | 15:48 |
| ttx | #info j2 plans will be refined as we get closer to j2 date | 15:48 |
| ttx | OK, that's all I had, anything else you wanted to mention ? | 15:48 |
| devananda | nope - thanks! | 15:49 |
| ttx | #info Nova approved the spec for an ironic virt driver | 15:49 |
| ttx | devananda: many thanks! | 15:49 |
| ttx | jraim: last call | 15:50 |
| jraim | ttx: I'm here | 15:50 |
| jraim | sorry about that | 15:50 |
| ttx | hah! | 15:50 |
| jraim | IRC client didn't notify me for some reason | 15:50 |
| ttx | no pb, deva was early | 15:50 |
| ttx | #topic Barbican | 15:50 |
| jraim | are you waiting on me? Or is my IRC client being weird again? | 15:51 |
| ttx | no, thinking | 15:51 |
| ttx | jraim: how do you want to handle juno-2 ? Should I take over the release management ? | 15:52 |
| jraim | I think I would be fine with that. Our plan was to just do the release like we've done previously | 15:52 |
| ttx | (mostly means you would just confirm a SHA to tag, ideally during the common juno-2 week, and I would do the rest) | 15:52 |
| jraim | That seems good to me | 15:53 |
| ttx | well, except i'm not around at juno-é so proobably someone else would do it, but that's the plan | 15:53 |
| ttx | juno-2* | 15:53 |
| ttx | jraim: let me check the launchpad rights | 15:53 |
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| ttx | jraim: to align with other projects, you should rename https://launchpad.net/~barbican-core to barbican-drivers | 15:54 |
| ttx | and add openstack-release in it | 15:54 |
| ttx | so that we can change bug status at release time | 15:54 |
| jraim | barbican drivers? that's the normal name for the core reviewers? | 15:55 |
| ttx | that way we can handle the Launchpad end of things | 15:55 |
| ttx | those are actually two different groups | 15:55 |
| ttx | COre reviewers are defined in gerrit | 15:55 |
| ttx | the launchpad driver group is for blueprint targeting and such | 15:56 |
| jraim | ahh okay, we can change that stuff | 15:56 |
| ttx | currently you have two things named barbican-core | 15:56 |
| ttx | and probably out of sync | 15:56 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/~barbican-core | 15:56 |
| ttx | and | 15:56 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/178,members | 15:56 |
| ttx | those are not synced | 15:56 |
| ttx | so keeping the same name is a bit confusing | 15:56 |
| jraim | fair enough | 15:57 |
| jraim | we'll get that cleaned up | 15:57 |
| ttx | that's why the Launchpad driver group is usually called $PROJECT-drivers | 15:57 |
| jraim | makes sense | 15:57 |
| ttx | and in order for us to set milestones on fixed bugs etc. openstack-release has to be added to it | 15:57 |
| jraim | okay, we'll get that group added | 15:58 |
| ttx | well, rrenamed | 15:58 |
| jraim | yeah, rename the main group and add -release | 15:58 |
| ttx | you don't need a new group, just rename the Launchpad "barbican-core" | 15:58 |
| ttx | will avoid further confusionb | 15:58 |
| ttx | -b | 15:58 |
| ttx | ok, once that's done we should be able to do releasing | 15:58 |
| jraim | great | 15:58 |
| jraim | I'll get that done today | 15:59 |
| ttx | Is https://launchpad.net/barbican/+milestone/juno-2 representative of your j-2 goals ? | 15:59 |
| ttx | or astill a bit incomplete ? | 15:59 |
| jraim | my guess is that it is still incomplete | 15:59 |
| jraim | I'll run through it today to get caught up | 15:59 |
| ttx | #action jraim to rename ~barbican-core in LP to ~barbican-drivers and add ~openstack-release to it | 16:00 |
| jraim | We have our mid-cycle next week, so we'll get that cleaned up with everyone there | 16:00 |
| ttx | jraim: no hurry, just needs to be more..; accurate as we get closer to the milestone | 16:00 |
| ttx | but then, communicating what's likely to be landed is a good exercise | 16:00 |
| jraim | cool. should be easy with everyone in the same room to get it all cleaned up | 16:00 |
| jraim | yeah | 16:00 |
| ttx | we use the launchpad blueprint page as a tool for communicating likely-landing features | 16:01 |
| ttx | once integrated, your input is aggregated to http://status.openstack.org/release/ | 16:01 |
| ttx | which presents the whole integrated picture | 16:01 |
| jraim | right. | 16:01 |
| ttx | jraim: ok, that's all I had for today -- anything you wanted to mention, any question ? | 16:02 |
| jraim | not too much, we've been getting ready for the mid-cycle next week | 16:02 |
| ttx | rigth | 16:03 |
| ttx | if you have a wikipage fr that event, you can add it to | 16:03 |
| ttx | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints | 16:03 |
| ttx | currently points to a TBD | 16:03 |
| jraim | we have an eitherpad set up so I'll go link it | 16:03 |
| ttx | cool | 16:03 |
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| ttx | well, have a great July 4 weekend | 16:04 |
| jraim | you too, thanks! | 16:04 |
| * ttx works tomorrow | 16:04 | |
| * ttx realizes he works on French and US holidays | 16:04 | |
| ttx | something needs to be fixed here | 16:04 |
| ttx | anyway, that concludes our 1:1s for today | 16:05 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone! | 16:05 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 16:05 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 3 16:05:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/incub_sync/2014/incub_sync.2014-07-03-12.29.html | 16:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/incub_sync/2014/incub_sync.2014-07-03-12.29.txt | 16:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/incub_sync/2014/incub_sync.2014-07-03-12.29.log.html | 16:05 |
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