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| mikal | ttx: around? | 07:55 |
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| ttx | mikal: yes | 07:56 |
| mikal | We're on in about four minutes? | 07:56 |
| ttx | mikal: yes | 07:56 |
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| mikal | Heh | 07:59 |
| ttx | #startmeeting ptl_sync | 08:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 23 08:02:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:02 |
| ttx | #topic Nova | 08:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ptl_sync' | 08:02 |
| mikal | Hi | 08:02 |
| ttx | ohai | 08:02 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 08:02 |
| mikal | Yeah, that | 08:02 |
| mikal | So... where to start? | 08:02 |
| mikal | I'm a bit worried about the unassigned bugs | 08:03 |
| ttx | The curve is not really going down at http://old-wiki.openstack.org/rc/ | 08:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: yeah, had that issue a bit ago | 08:03 |
| mikal | Huh, no worse than many other projects though | 08:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: so people are adding all sorts they find important-ish, rather than blockers | 08:03 |
| mikal | Yeah, I was trying to review things associated with those bugs and ended up lost spending the last two days fixing a security vulnerability that was release critical | 08:04 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: it's tricky because damn LP doesn't prevent anyone from doing that | 08:04 |
| mikal | Because the proposed fix set off my bogo filter | 08:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: some of those critical gate bugs are just not likely to get fixed in time, some people were digging | 08:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: yeah | 08:04 |
| mikal | Yeah, I feel that critical gate != critical release | 08:04 |
| mikal | They're important | 08:04 |
| ttx | rigth, so they can stay criotical but not be release blockers | 08:05 |
| mikal | Just not important to the release per se | 08:05 |
| mikal | Agreed | 08:05 |
| ttx | just remove the rc1 tag. If they get fixed, all th better, we'll take them | 08:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: been chasing some nasty xenapi stabiity bugs that would have been embarrassing not to fix myself | 08:05 |
| mikal | Heh | 08:05 |
| ttx | but if nobody is assigned to them at this point, no point in keeping them in list | 08:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: when are we hoping to tag, before thursday I guess? | 08:05 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: can you take a pass at untargetting gate bugs which aren't release critical today? | 08:05 |
| mikal | I thought we didn't tag until the rc bug list got to zero? | 08:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: yeah, if we want to start drawing up the final list | 08:06 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: before Tuesday next week. | 08:06 |
| ttx | "end of month" | 08:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: gotcha | 08:06 |
| ttx | but yeah, at least trying this week would be nice | 08:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: thing is, people were kinda thinking, we just take the criticals as blockers, the rest are just an "aim" | 08:07 |
| ttx | mikal, johnthetubaguy: would you say the list contains all the true known blockers at this point ? | 08:07 |
| mikal | ttx: all that I am aware of | 08:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: "know" is a bit caveat, but yes I think so (minus security ones) | 08:07 |
| mikal | There hasn't been a lot of conversation about it though | 08:07 |
| mikal | The thread on -dev was pretty quiet | 08:07 |
| mikal | Which surprised me to be honest | 08:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: I think people just lobbed the tags on | 08:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, target I mean | 08:08 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: yeah, that's what I figured in the end | 08:08 |
| ttx | So yeah, as far as bug list is concerned, I would trim it to assigned bugs only, and those that have some chance to make it before end of month | 08:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: cools, I can do that | 08:09 |
| mikal | "Dropping as unassigned" seems like a reasonable comment to leave on them | 08:09 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: I can do that if you want me to be the bad guy | 08:09 |
| ttx | Would be good to get the security fix worked on though | 08:09 |
| ttx | since fixing before release is always better than after | 08:09 |
| mikal | You're thinking of 1369627? | 08:09 |
| ttx | but we shouldn't block on that | 08:09 |
| mikal | For the security fix? | 08:09 |
| ttx | no. Is 1369627 a security thing? | 08:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: yeah, I don't mind, security stuff I probably just need to find people to work on them | 08:10 |
| mikal | Yes, yes it is | 08:10 |
| mikal | There's another I haven't noticed yet? | 08:10 |
| mikal | We're fixing 1369627 by reverting three patches | 08:10 |
| mikal | One done, one approved and in gate, the other needing review | 08:10 |
| ttx | mikal: see pm | 08:10 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: if you could review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123072/ that would be cool | 08:11 |
| ttx | Hmm, you should set "Public security" if it's a security bug | 08:11 |
| ttx | otherwise it will never enter the OSSA realm | 08:11 |
| ttx | although... it's juno-specific ? | 08:11 |
| mikal | Ahhh, I see | 08:11 |
| mikal | Yeah, we've never "released" the bad code | 08:12 |
| mikal | On the other one, that sounds like something we could ask Vishy to look at | 08:12 |
| ttx | so in that case we just need to fix it prerelease | 08:12 |
| mikal | He's been playing there in the last couple of weeks | 08:12 |
| ttx | no need to get the OSSA team on it, no advisory needed | 08:12 |
| mikal | Yeah, I don't know of any CD'ers running rbd, so we should be ok with those guys | 08:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: continuous deployment is a bit odd though | 08:12 |
| ttx | as log as we fix it for rc1 | 08:12 |
| mikal | For the other one I am emailing Vishy now to ask if he can help | 08:13 |
| ttx | OK, let's trim that list and start burning all targets down. We'll do another checkpoint on Thursday | 08:13 |
| ttx | mikal: did you release a final novaclient ? | 08:14 |
| mikal | Yes, I did | 08:14 |
| mikal | Oh, can we add johnthetubaguy to whatever group gives him access to the security bugs if we havne't already? | 08:14 |
| mikal | That makes sense from his LP wrangling role | 08:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: I have access | 08:14 |
| mikal | Oh, cool | 08:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: just ended up focusing more on blueprints really | 08:15 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: yeah, that's fair | 08:15 |
| mikal | Just at the moment it makes sense to get you access if you don't alrady | 08:15 |
| mikal | Which you do | 08:15 |
| mikal | So ignore me | 08:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol, no problem | 08:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the list, I don't mind trying to trim that after the meeting | 08:16 |
| ttx | ok, so the client looks fine now | 08:16 |
| mikal | That would be cool, thanks | 08:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | at least all unassigned ones that seem unlikely to make it | 08:16 |
| ttx | questions ? | 08:16 |
| mikal | Not a question, but I am unsure if I will make the release meeting | 08:16 |
| mikal | I am hoping to | 08:16 |
| mikal | But it depends on the school thing which is making me miss the TC meeting ending on time | 08:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | what are the summit deadlines again, session wise? | 08:17 |
| mikal | So we shall see... | 08:17 |
| ttx | mikal: as far as design summit is concerned, you would get 18 scheduled sessions and a full-day of contributors meetup (instead of 27 sessions) | 08:17 |
| mikal | ttx: ok | 08:17 |
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| mikal | johnthetubaguy: I think because we're not using the selection web site for sessions we're a bit more flexible with selection deadlines? | 08:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess its all decided post PTL election | 08:18 |
| mikal | Or am I confused? | 08:18 |
| mikal | Yeah, definitely new PTL territory | 08:18 |
| mikal | But we can prime the pump for them, so to speak | 08:18 |
| ttx | we just need a schedule 1 or 2 weeks before the thing starts | 08:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools, that makes sense | 08:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am just thinking about specs | 08:19 |
| ttx | but given it's collaboratively discussed now, that may mean start earlier | 08:19 |
| mikal | Well, we already have a brain storming etherpad | 08:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: true, give people time to chime in | 08:19 |
| mikal | We just need to start talking about it in meetings more | 08:19 |
| mikal | But I think release should take most of our meeting time at the moment | 08:19 |
| ttx | mikal: ++ | 08:19 |
| mikal | For the next week at least | 08:19 |
| ttx | until RC1 is done, just talk release and RC bugs | 08:19 |
| ttx | after RC1 is done we'll add bugs much more selectively | 08:20 |
| mikal | Yeah, let's not confuse people | 08:20 |
| ttx | if needed | 08:20 |
| mikal | Although we promised to open kilo specs next week | 08:20 |
| ttx | so it's easier to switch minds to kilo | 08:20 |
| mikal | So I need to remember to not forget that as well | 08:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | good good, sounds perfect | 08:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | just wanted to make sure we are all on the same page | 08:20 |
| mikal | So yeah, I think we're done here? | 08:21 |
| mikal | Yeah, I think we are | 08:21 |
| mikal | Which is good | 08:21 |
| ttx | yes we are | 08:21 |
| ttx | ttyl! | 08:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 08:21 |
| mikal | Cool, well thank for both of your time yet again | 08:21 |
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| ttx | eglynn: ready when you are | 11:44 |
| eglynn-office | ttx: knock, knock :) ... ready when you are | 11:44 |
| ttx | #topic Ceilometer | 11:44 |
| eglynn-office | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 11:44 |
| eglynn-office | so fair progress in landing bug fixes | 11:45 |
| ttx | 6 bugs left, we might be able to tag before end of week? | 11:45 |
| eglynn-office | well, there are 2 that I'd like to wait on especially | 11:45 |
| eglynn-office | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1309555 | 11:45 |
| eglynn-office | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1357869 | 11:45 |
| eglynn-office | the first has an incomplete fix proposed, needs more testing and a more complete fix | 11:46 |
| ttx | ok, we'll see how it goes | 11:46 |
| eglynn-office | for the second, I've a simple config workaround to fall back on but I'm also experimenting with a more complete fix | 11:46 |
| ttx | OK... On the client release side you did a 1.0.11 | 11:46 |
| eglynn-office | OK, so you're preference was EoW for RC1? | 11:46 |
| eglynn-office | yep, I cut 1.0.11 on Monday | 11:46 |
| eglynn-office | slightly delayed by lag in the gate getting the last couple patches merged | 11:47 |
| ttx | My preference is by EoW yes, and before next Tuesday otherwise | 11:47 |
| eglynn-office | #link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-ceilometerclient/1.0.11 | 11:47 |
| eglynn-office | OK, got it | 11:47 |
| ttx | OK, you seem to be in good shape | 11:48 |
| ttx | I'll sync again on Thursday and see if we can do RC1 before eow | 11:48 |
| eglynn-office | cool, sounds like a plan :) | 11:48 |
| ttx | As far as summit is concerned, you would get 5-6 scheduled sessions, and a full day of contributors meetup | 11:49 |
| ttx | (compare to 10 scheduled sessions in ATL) | 11:49 |
| eglynn-office | OK, obviously I'd prefer 6 to 5 if possible | 11:50 |
| ttx | yeah, my current layout includes 6, but i'm waiting on feedback from some programs | 11:51 |
| eglynn-office | I'd like to accomodate the Monasca folks with a design session on the ceilo track if poss | 11:51 |
| eglynn-office | (I've been chatting with RolandH about opportunities for collaboration) | 11:51 |
| ttx | ok that works | 11:52 |
| ttx | anything to discuss at meeting . Any red flag wrt release ? | 11:52 |
| eglynn-office | nope, no red falg from me | 11:52 |
| eglynn-office | *flags | 11:52 |
| ttx | OK then, talk to you later! | 11:53 |
| eglynn-office | cool, laters | 11:53 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: ready when you are | 12:14 |
| dhellmann | ttx: here | 12:14 |
| ttx | #topic Oslo | 12:14 |
| ttx | Are we all set release-wise ? | 12:14 |
| dhellmann | yes, we should be set | 12:15 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-juno | 12:15 |
| dhellmann | we had one patch release of oslo.db to help stabilize the nova gate, but that's it | 12:15 |
| ttx | This should in theory show all FixReleased at some point | 12:15 |
| ttx | (if we are indeed done) | 12:15 |
| dhellmann | we never ran the script against the incubator. I can update those by hand. The others I'll move to kilo. | 12:16 |
| dhellmann | I was holding onto the idea of a pbr release, but I think at this point we should wait for the other releases to finish. | 12:16 |
| ttx | dhellmann: for oslo-incubator, maybe rename next-juno to 2014.2 | 12:16 |
| dhellmann | ok | 12:16 |
| ttx | since that's what we tagged | 12:17 |
| ttx | A few fixes were merged after that in master and should not get FixReleased, though | 12:17 |
| dhellmann | we count master for the incubator as released, since the important tracking is when the merge happens in the apps | 12:18 |
| ttx | (bug 1372177) | 12:18 |
| dhellmann | at least that's how I've been treating it | 12:18 |
| ttx | dhellmann: hmm, but those fixes are post-2014.2 tag | 12:18 |
| ttx | so they should not appear FixReleased in 2014.2 | 12:19 |
| dhellmann | ok, that one isn't targeted to the milestone yet, so I'll put it in a kilo milestone | 12:19 |
| ttx | the others were without a bug ref | 12:20 |
| dhellmann | ? | 12:20 |
| ttx | so that's the only one you could accidentally include | 12:20 |
| ttx | dhellmann: let me explain | 12:20 |
| ttx | if you run the script that turns FixCommitted bugs into FixReleased, you need to do it when you tag, otherwise you may catch bugs that were fixed after the tag ifs applied | 12:21 |
| ttx | here I just checked the merges that happened after the tag to make sure we don't accidentally indlude them in 2104.2 | 12:21 |
| dhellmann | oh, yeah, I was going to just update all of those bugs by hand to avoid that | 12:21 |
| ttx | There are 3 of them | 12:21 |
| ttx | well, actually, 4 | 12:22 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122377/ references no bug | 12:22 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123017/ references 1372177 | 12:22 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115213/ references no bug | 12:23 |
| * dhellmann nods | 12:23 | |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121305/ references related bug 1368910 | 12:24 |
| ttx | anyway, just me and my damn accuracy :) | 12:24 |
| dhellmann | I will make sure those bugs are targeted with kilo | 12:24 |
| dhellmann | s/with/to | 12:24 |
| dhellmann | I guess if I do that, I can use the script to update the bug settings instead of doing it by hand | 12:25 |
| ttx | so, on https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-juno there are still oslo.concurrency PBR taskflow and oslo.vmware things | 12:25 |
| ttx | Are those all still waiting for a tag ? | 12:26 |
| dhellmann | oh, we didn't do a final release of those, that should all move to kilo, too | 12:26 |
| dhellmann | I'll spend the morning cleaning this up. I should have looked at it yesterday. | 12:26 |
| ttx | we won't do a final release of those ? | 12:26 |
| dhellmann | wait, hang on, we did a release of concurrency | 12:26 |
| dhellmann | oh, no, that's serialization -- I keep mixing those up | 12:27 |
| ttx | ETOOMANYLIBS | 12:27 |
| dhellmann | no, we had a few libs that were not quite ready and weren't going to be adopted, so we focused on fixing up the ones in use | 12:27 |
| dhellmann | I will move all of the unfinished work to kilo | 12:27 |
| ttx | dhellmann: OK, so once you are done with the juno cleanup let me know, i'll doublecheck and we can close Juno for good | 12:27 |
| dhellmann | yeah, seriously, we're up to something like 19 or 20 now | 12:27 |
| dhellmann | ok, sounds good | 12:28 |
| ttx | dhellmann: as far as design summit is concerned... I think we can preserve ~7 oslo scheduled slots | 12:29 |
| ttx | (down from 11 in ATL) | 12:29 |
| dhellmann | we should be able to make that work, esp. if we have pod space on friday | 12:29 |
| ttx | You would get a dedicated "pod" on the Friday | 12:29 |
| dhellmann | reading my mind :-) | 12:29 |
| ttx | and we can also discuss major issues on the cross-project day, if any | 12:29 |
| dhellmann | I don't want oslo to be seen as the driver for those things. We may have one or two, but I want the TC to really run those as "all of openstack" rather than funnelling them through oslo | 12:30 |
| ttx | oh sure, that's what I meant | 12:30 |
| dhellmann | ok | 12:31 |
| ttx | any release red flag on your side ? | 12:31 |
| ttx | anything to discuss at cross-project meeting today ? | 12:32 |
| dhellmann | I haven't heard anything. We looked into that keystoneclient issue on the stable branches, but it's going to have to be fixed in their client. | 12:32 |
| dhellmann | nothing this time around, I think | 12:32 |
| dhellmann | well, I need to figure out the timing to remind everyone to prioritize adoption of libraries early in kilo | 12:33 |
| ttx | dhellmann: ok, great! | 12:33 |
| dhellmann | they're probably not thinking about that yet, but I don't know if we'll have project meetings after the release is actually done? | 12:33 |
| ttx | dhellmann: if you have some time, you can help sdague and myself go through the requirements review | 12:33 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I was going to ask if there's anything you need help with | 12:33 |
| ttx | the more the merrier | 12:33 |
| dhellmann | aren't we locked down for requirements changes? | 12:33 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yes, that's why I'd like to clean up the slack there | 12:34 |
| dhellmann | oh, so -2 things? | 12:34 |
| ttx | -2 what can be, abandon some | 12:34 |
| dhellmann | ok | 12:34 |
| ttx | and discuss at release meeting today what still needs a final call | 12:34 |
| ttx | I triued to come up with a list for that and got confused by some | 12:34 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll look at that after I clean up our bug tracker | 12:35 |
| ttx | ok, you will be able to find us on #openstack-dev | 12:35 |
| dhellmann | ok | 12:35 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: ready when you are | 14:00 |
| jgriffith | ttx: ready | 14:06 |
| ttx | #topic Cinder | 14:06 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 14:06 |
| ttx | Your curve is one of the few going down at http://old-wiki.openstack.org/rc/ | 14:07 |
| ttx | so you seem on a good trend | 14:07 |
| jgriffith | cool! | 14:07 |
| ttx | There is one unassigned security issue though that we should at least try to get in the release rather than after | 14:07 |
| ttx | (it's the one unassigned bug in the list) | 14:07 |
| ttx | you might want to privately get it assigned | 14:08 |
| jgriffith | ttx: ahh | 14:08 |
| jgriffith | yeah, there's a patch proposed | 14:08 |
| jgriffith | I can mark it assigned | 14:08 |
| ttx | You did release a client last week (1.1.0) and the global requirements bump is gating | 14:08 |
| ttx | so we are covered on that side | 14:08 |
| jgriffith | Yeah, I'll do one more client bump after RC cut | 14:09 |
| ttx | When do you think you can empty the list ? Sometimes this week ? | 14:09 |
| jgriffith | I think this week yes | 14:09 |
| jgriffith | most are in progress and doing "ok" | 14:09 |
| ttx | jgriffith: one more client bump after RC cut ? | 14:09 |
| ttx | We wanted to freeze the clients.. last Friday | 14:09 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to if it doesn't make people freak out | 14:09 |
| jgriffith | ahh... | 14:09 |
| jgriffith | hmm... | 14:09 |
| ttx | so unless you have some critical issue | 14:09 |
| jgriffith | so I have one issue | 14:09 |
| jgriffith | debug output was broken by all the i8n shenanigans | 14:10 |
| jgriffith | patch is on it's way through right now to fix | 14:10 |
| jgriffith | kinda of a big deal IMO | 14:10 |
| ttx | OK, I think it's fine to tag a new one, but maybe not bump the global requirements | 14:11 |
| jgriffith | ttx: oh.. for sure | 14:11 |
| ttx | just make sure everyone knows about it when you cut it | 14:11 |
| jgriffith | I'll avoid that at all costs | 14:11 |
| jgriffith | I will... in fact I'll send a note to dev today warning them if that helps | 14:11 |
| ttx | do you have a bug reference for that issue ? | 14:11 |
| jgriffith | I do.... | 14:11 |
| jgriffith | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-cinderclient/+bug/1130730 | 14:12 |
| jgriffith | and it landed | 14:12 |
| jgriffith | so I'll push today and send an email to everyone | 14:12 |
| ttx | #info New Cinder client expected soon (1.1.1 ?) to fix bug 1130730 | 14:12 |
| ttx | ok | 14:12 |
| ttx | Any red flag release-wise ? Anything you'd like to discuss at meeting today ? | 14:13 |
| jgriffith | No red flags (as of yet) | 14:13 |
| jgriffith | and no, nothing I need to bring up at meeting | 14:13 |
| ttx | jgriffith: as far as summit goes, i'm still working on allocation but you should get 6-7 scheduled slots | 14:13 |
| ttx | + the half-day meetup | 14:13 |
| ttx | in case there is room for it, would you be interested in a full-day thing ? | 14:14 |
| jgriffith | ttx: always, but honestly I wouldn't rank us high priority for it | 14:14 |
| jgriffith | ttx: and I'd rather see more cross-project interaction from Cinder team | 14:14 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I'm realizing more and more that a lot of folks are really silo'd | 14:15 |
| jgriffith | would like to prompt some change there | 14:15 |
| ttx | ok. | 14:15 |
| jgriffith | Keep in mind I'm going to propose being very picky about session topics this time around | 14:15 |
| jgriffith | assuming my successor follows that plan | 14:15 |
| ttx | ok, talk to you later then! Hope we can cut RC1 later this week | 14:16 |
| jgriffith | sounds good | 14:16 |
| ttx | morganfainberg: ready when you are | 14:16 |
| jgriffith | I'll let you know if I think it's ready before Friday | 14:16 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, o/ | 14:17 |
| ttx | #topic Keystone | 14:17 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 14:17 |
| ttx | 2 bugs left, looks like we should be able to cut this week | 14:17 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, those are both addressed by the same fix, should gate today | 14:18 |
| ttx | OK, so I might be in touch soon :) | 14:18 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, in fact, working with another core to get that reviewed right now as well :) | 14:18 |
| ttx | morganfainberg: on another note, we might want a keystonemiddleware tag to catch the latest security issue in a release | 14:18 |
| ttx | before we issue an advisory for it | 14:18 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, Keystone client is also ready for 0.11.1 release fixing the bug in config | 14:18 |
| ttx | which bug ? | 14:19 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, keystonemiddleware is planned to get a new tag/release as soon as https://gist.github.com/dolph/651c6a1748f69637abd0 those 4 reviews merge. | 14:19 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, https://launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+milestone/0.11.1 | 14:20 |
| morganfainberg | the glance exploding one, #1272422 | 14:20 |
| ttx | ah ok | 14:20 |
| morganfainberg | erm 1372422 | 14:20 |
| morganfainberg | i will either need to have you push the tag or wait for dolphm today. | 14:20 |
| ttx | ok | 14:20 |
| morganfainberg | i do not have permission to push tags. | 14:20 |
| ttx | ping me as needed | 14:21 |
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| ttx | any other thing release-wise ? | 14:21 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, anytime today would be good to get 0.11.1 out. | 14:21 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, no i think that is it. looking forward to getting Keystone tagged (hopefully minimal gate fighting for that last blocker) | 14:21 |
| ttx | As far as summit goes, still working on allocation, but keystone could get 6-7 scheduled slots + a half-day meetup | 14:22 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, that sounds about the same as last time, and fair. | 14:22 |
| ttx | (compared to 8 scheduled slotsin ATL) | 14:22 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, right, the 1/2 day covers the extra. | 14:22 |
| ttx | morganfainberg: that's all I had | 14:22 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, cool. sounds good and i'll def. ping you as soon as we have the middleware reviews ready. My goal is for all of them to be done today / tomorrow morning | 14:23 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, i expect it's just going to be gate rechecks to get things through | 14:23 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, same with keystone. | 14:24 |
| ttx | ok, I'll be a bit busy today so I may not be able to get back to you wrt: python-keystoneclient tag. | 14:24 |
| ttx | If still needed by tomorrow, I should be much more available then | 14:24 |
| ttx | david-lyle: ready when you are | 14:24 |
| ttx | morganfainberg: thx! | 14:24 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, i'll ping dolphm if i see him. | 14:25 |
| david-lyle | ttx: ready | 14:25 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon | 14:25 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, if not, will bug you tomorrow :) | 14:25 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 14:25 |
| ttx | So... 44 opened RC1 bugs is way too much | 14:25 |
| david-lyle | yes, getting ready to prune that down | 14:26 |
| ttx | you need to cut down the list to release blcokers only. If anything else gets in in the mean time, taht's fine | 14:26 |
| ttx | but there is no way those 44 will get in and we still hit the release date :) | 14:26 |
| david-lyle | I think the list is actually about 4 for release blocking | 14:26 |
| david-lyle | at least that's what I've been tracking | 14:27 |
| ttx | Ideally we'd cut RC1 before end of week, worst case before end of month | 14:27 |
| david-lyle | my target was end of the week, unless something else comes up | 14:27 |
| ttx | ok, you can use a tag to track the nice-to-have | 14:27 |
| david-lyle | sure | 14:27 |
| ttx | we'll discuss the last depfreeze exceptions at the meeting today | 14:28 |
| david-lyle | ok | 14:28 |
| ttx | so that we can make the final call on them | 14:28 |
| ttx | any red flag wrt: release ? Or topic for the meeting today ? | 14:28 |
| david-lyle | no | 14:29 |
| ttx | As far as design summit goes, my initial allocation gives horizon 6 slots + the half-day of meetup | 14:29 |
| david-lyle | that sounds reasonable | 14:30 |
| ttx | in case there is room for it, could you be interested in a full day ? | 14:30 |
| david-lyle | I'm not sure we'll need a whole day if there is pod space available | 14:31 |
| ttx | ok. | 14:31 |
| ttx | david-lyle: that's all I had. Anything else ? | 14:31 |
| david-lyle | if no other teams speak up we do have some architecture work I'd like to get done there, but I think the number of participants may not warrant a whole room | 14:32 |
| david-lyle | want to make sure my recollection is correct, once RC1 is closed, master is Kilo | 14:32 |
| david-lyle | correct? | 14:33 |
| ttx | yes | 14:33 |
| david-lyle | also a heads up, due to translations, we'll likely have an RC2 just for that, barring other issues | 14:33 |
| david-lyle | I think the translation team is targeting end of month | 14:34 |
| david-lyle | that's all I have | 14:35 |
| ttx | david-lyle: it would be good to merge relatively-recent translations for RC1 anyway | 14:36 |
| ttx | but i agree | 14:36 |
| ttx | mestery: ready when you are, but you seem to have a conflict :) | 14:36 |
| mestery | ttx: Sorry, yes, in a neutron meeting. Can we push this a bit for today? Apologies. | 14:36 |
| ttx | sure | 14:36 |
| mestery | ttx: OK, I'll ping you if this gets done early. | 14:37 |
| david-lyle | ttx: they're automatic now, we merge as available | 14:37 |
| david-lyle | thanks | 14:37 |
| mestery | ttx: Here if you're around. | 15:01 |
| ttx | mestery: on a call | 15:01 |
| mestery | ttx: OK. Any ETA? | 15:01 |
| mestery | I may jump into a 15 minutes call myself if you'll be at least that long. | 15:01 |
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| ttx | at least 15 min yes | 15:01 |
| mestery | OK | 15:01 |
| ttx | notmyname: around? | 15:29 |
| ttx | mestery: you can go now if you want | 15:30 |
| mestery | ttx: ack | 15:32 |
| ttx | #topic Neutron | 15:32 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 15:32 |
| ttx | 33 targeted bugs, at this point it's too much | 15:32 |
| ttx | you need to reduce to true release blockers | 15:32 |
| mestery | ttx: I agree. | 15:32 |
| ttx | so that we can hit RC1 sometimes before the end of the month | 15:32 |
| mestery | Yes, I spent some time in the meeting talking about that. | 15:32 |
| mestery | I'll have this list culled down by tomorrow. | 15:33 |
| ttx | great | 15:33 |
| mestery | When will you cut RC1? | 15:33 |
| mestery | Is it this week? | 15:33 |
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| mestery | ttx: There? | 15:36 |
| ttx | sorry just a sec | 15:37 |
| mestery | ttx: ack | 15:37 |
| notmyname | I'm here (on my phone) | 15:39 |
| mestery | ttx: Apologies, I need to take off now. | 15:40 |
| ttx | mestery: ok | 15:40 |
| mestery | ttx: I will get the RC1 page under control, and I have nothing specific for today's cross-project meeting other than to go over the Kilo schedule if people want to. | 15:40 |
| mestery | ttx: Thanks! | 15:40 |
| ttx | sorry got interrupted | 15:40 |
| ttx | mestery: will talk to you again later | 15:41 |
| ttx | #topic Swift | 15:41 |
| ttx | notmyname: how is your next release coming up ? | 15:41 |
| notmyname | Overall good. | 15:41 |
| notmyname | Probably won't land everything I want, but the important stuff will | 15:42 |
| ttx | notmyname: what would be the updated ETA ? | 15:42 |
| notmyname | We're still on track for next week. I'll work closely with you for the RC | 15:42 |
| ttx | notmyname: ok, I'll be around | 15:42 |
| notmyname | I have 2 other things | 15:43 |
| ttx | do you need to cut another swiftclient ? | 15:43 |
| notmyname | First, we found a regression in the last swiftclient | 15:43 |
| notmyname | Yes | 15:43 |
| notmyname | The last one we thought was good but into'd a keystone v3 reg | 15:43 |
| ttx | ok, the sooner the better, especially if you want to bump the global-requirements | 15:43 |
| notmyname | Will cut a minor point release later this week | 15:43 |
| notmyname | No requirements changes | 15:44 |
| ttx | ok | 15:44 |
| notmyname | Second, next week we have a kid cycle meetup thing in Boston | 15:44 |
| ttx | #info new swiftclient expected later this week to fix a regression | 15:44 |
| ttx | kid cycle? | 15:44 |
| notmyname | Mid. Phone autocorrect | 15:45 |
| ttx | kilo maybe | 15:45 |
| notmyname | We'll be looking at ec work and summit prep and etc | 15:45 |
| ttx | ok | 15:46 |
| ttx | Still working on allocation, but looks like you would get 6 scheduled slots + half-day meetup | 15:47 |
| ttx | compared to 8 slots in ATL | 15:47 |
| ttx | so more time overall | 15:47 |
| ttx | but less cheduled ones (like everyone else) | 15:47 |
| notmyname | Ok. I'll be starting the communal scheduling this week | 15:47 |
| notmyname | Sounds good | 15:48 |
| ttx | notmyname: ok, anything els e? | 15:48 |
| ttx | zaneb: around? | 15:48 |
| notmyname | No. I'm good | 15:48 |
| zaneb | o/ | 15:48 |
| notmyname | Thanks | 15:48 |
| ttx | notmyname: thx! | 15:48 |
| ttx | #topic Heat | 15:50 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 15:50 |
| zaneb | we got the FFEs in :) | 15:50 |
| ttx | 14 targeted bugs left | 15:50 |
| ttx | zaneb: yep:) | 15:50 |
| ttx | are all those release vlockers ? Or could you refine the list so that only RC things are left in it ? | 15:51 |
| ttx | blockers* | 15:51 |
| ttx | I'd like to hit RC1 before the end of the month if possible | 15:51 |
| zaneb | yeah, I definitely don't think all of those are release blockers | 15:52 |
| zaneb | I think that's probably feasible | 15:52 |
| ttx | you can use a tag for nice-to-have if you want to track them | 15:52 |
| ttx | I'd like to make sure we are burning down release-critical ones at an acceptable rate | 15:52 |
| zaneb | I think the High priority ones are the most release-critical | 15:53 |
| ttx | So I'll be in touch later this week to see how far we are from RC1 | 15:53 |
| zaneb | fortunately we don't have a large number of those | 15:53 |
| zaneb | ok | 15:53 |
| ttx | You did cut a 0.2.11 heatclient | 15:53 |
| * zaneb needs to find time to scrub the whole bug list anyway | 15:53 | |
| zaneb | yes we did | 15:53 |
| ttx | and I had a question for you about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122520/ | 15:53 |
| ttx | is that bump *required* ? | 15:54 |
| ttx | i.eL. does it fix some release-critical bug somewhere ? | 15:54 |
| ttx | we shouldn't bump the floor unless it's required | 15:54 |
| zaneb | not sure about that | 15:54 |
| zaneb | I will check with stevebaker | 15:54 |
| ttx | well, the review is -1ed until you do find a good reason why we should bump in those troubled times | 15:55 |
| zaneb | fair enough :) | 15:55 |
| ttx | and we'll discuss it again at the release meeting tonight | 15:55 |
| zaneb | ok | 15:55 |
| ttx | Last thing I had is the provisional slot allocation for summit. Looks like you could get 7 scheduled sessions and a full day of meetup | 15:56 |
| ttx | (compared to 8 slots in ATL) | 15:56 |
| zaneb | that sounds really good | 15:56 |
| ttx | you get a lot because your allocation was a bit behind compared to your activity | 15:56 |
| zaneb | yeah, it's surprisingly busy around here ;) | 15:57 |
| ttx | (you are more active than Cinder but had 3 less slots) | 15:57 |
| zaneb | I'm particularly looking forward to the day of meetup | 15:58 |
| ttx | anything you'd like to flag release-wise ? Any topic for the meeting today ? | 15:58 |
| zaneb | nope, can't think of anything | 15:59 |
| ttx | ok great, talk to you later | 15:59 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov, mestery: you can go now if you're around | 15:59 |
| zaneb | thanks ttx | 15:59 |
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| ttx | SlickNik: ready when you are | 16:04 |
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| ttx | or markwash__ can beat you | 16:04 |
| ttx | since 6pm is his slot | 16:04 |
| SlickNik | o/ | 16:05 |
| ttx | going once | 16:05 |
| ttx | markwash__: going twice | 16:05 |
| ttx | #topic Trove | 16:05 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 16:05 |
| ttx | 33 bugs left targeted | 16:06 |
| SlickNik | Looked at all the bugs we have, and spent some time triaging the criticals into Juno, and the rest out. | 16:06 |
| ttx | 33 is still way to much, I bet all those are not release blockers | 16:07 |
| ttx | any chance you could refine that list so that it only contains release blockers ? | 16:07 |
| SlickNik | Agreed — not all of them are. | 16:07 |
| ttx | and use a tag for the nice-to-fix-in-Juno ? | 16:07 |
| ttx | taht way we can trigger a RC1 when we are done with the release blockers | 16:07 |
| ttx | ideally this week, or early in the next | 16:08 |
| SlickNik | Will do that this week. | 16:08 |
| SlickNik | btw, didn't know Launchpad did tags. | 16:08 |
| ttx | ok, I'll be in touch later this week to see if we can push a tag | 16:08 |
| ttx | so if you could cull the list before then, that would be awesome | 16:09 |
| ttx | Do you need to cut another troveclient release before Juno release ? | 16:09 |
| SlickNik | I'll plan on spending some time to do that today. | 16:09 |
| ttx | or is 1.0.7 good enough | 16:09 |
| ttx | If you do, the deadline for that was last Friday, unless you got some regression in :) | 16:10 |
| SlickNik | 1.0.7 is good enough — it's pretty recent (I think a week and a half ago) | 16:10 |
| ttx | ack | 16:10 |
| SlickNik | It has all the juno-3 feature bps done. | 16:10 |
| ttx | That's all I had release-wise. Any red flag you'd like to communicate ? | 16:10 |
| ttx | any topic for the meeting later ? | 16:10 |
| SlickNik | Sad that we couldn't get the juno-3 functionality into horizon though. :( | 16:11 |
| ttx | can't get everything | 16:11 |
| SlickNik | Yup, understand. | 16:11 |
| SlickNik | And it'll come in Kilo | 16:11 |
| SlickNik | :) | 16:11 |
| ttx | As far as design summit is concerned, looks like you could get 4 scheduled slots and a half-day meetup (compared to 6 scheduled slots in ATL) | 16:11 |
| ttx | so slight more time oevrall, but less scheduled slots (like everyone) | 16:12 |
| ttx | SlickNik: anything else ? | 16:13 |
| SlickNik | Cool, are you planning on drawing up a tentative schedule for the slots and posting it on the wiki like you did last time? | 16:13 |
| SlickNik | That was very helpful. | 16:13 |
| ttx | SlickNik: yes, waiting on some feedback before I can do that | 16:13 |
| SlickNik | Okay, sounds good. | 16:14 |
| ttx | TripleO needs to tell me if they eed scheduled slots or if they would rather have a full-day meetup instead | 16:14 |
| ttx | need* | 16:14 |
| SlickNik | That's all I had. Thank you ttx! | 16:14 |
| ttx | SlickNik: ok then, ttyl | 16:14 |
| ttx | markwash__: around? | 16:14 |
| markwash__ | ttx hi there | 16:14 |
| ttx | #topic Glance | 16:14 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/refactoring-glance-logging is still open | 16:15 |
| ttx | or appears to be | 16:15 |
| ttx | It's time to close all FFEs I'm afraid | 16:15 |
| ttx | time well passe | 16:15 |
| ttx | dd | 16:15 |
| ttx | what was there left ? | 16:15 |
| markwash__ | just https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116626/8 | 16:16 |
| markwash__ | which looks fine to land, unless you think its too too late | 16:16 |
| ttx | let me look at it | 16:16 |
| ttx | no need for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117204/ ? | 16:16 |
| ttx | markwash__: 116626 is only log info level changes ? | 16:17 |
| markwash__ | ttx, actually sorry I spoke a little too soon | 16:17 |
| markwash__ | I guess we should just defer | 16:18 |
| ttx | OK, I'll let you -2 the remaining reviews | 16:18 |
| ttx | kilo opens in a few days now | 16:18 |
| ttx | I'll mark the BP deferred | 16:18 |
| markwash__ | thanks | 16:18 |
| ttx | OK, so I see no release blocker on that page | 16:19 |
| markwash__ | I'm a little scared | 16:19 |
| markwash__ | but its accurate TMK | 16:19 |
| ttx | does that mean you're ready for RC1 tag, or that you didn't go through all the bugs to spot RC ones yet ? | 16:19 |
| ttx | hmm, ok | 16:20 |
| ttx | markwash__: maybe do a last pass on those and if still none, we could tag tomorrow or Thursday | 16:20 |
| markwash__ | will do | 16:20 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1366515 could be added, maybe | 16:20 |
| ttx | with maybe https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119613/ | 16:21 |
| ttx | (https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1366503) | 16:21 |
| ttx | OK... anything else release-related ? | 16:22 |
| markwash__ | not from me | 16:22 |
| ttx | Looking at design summit, Glance would get 4 scheduled sessions and a half-day meetup (compared to 5 scheduled sessions in ATL) | 16:23 |
| ttx | markwash__: do we have candidates for Glance PTL position already ? | 16:23 |
| markwash__ | ttx: I was just taking a look at that, and so far no | 16:24 |
| markwash__ | I imagine 4 sessions and the meetup will be sufficient | 16:25 |
| ttx | markwash__: ok | 16:25 |
| markwash__ | based on the past sessions | 16:25 |
| ttx | markwash__: talk to you later then ! | 16:25 |
| markwash__ | sayonara | 16:25 |
| ttx | mestery, SergeyLukjanov: time now for one more | 16:26 |
| ttx | first come first served | 16:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, hey | 16:27 |
| ttx | #topic Sahara | 16:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, if you're able | 16:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://launchpad.net/sahara/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 16:28 |
| ttx | So we need to close all remaining FFEs now | 16:28 |
| ttx | time has passed | 16:28 |
| ttx | If I remeber correctly those were technical FFEs though | 16:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh, I forget to update statuses | 16:28 |
| ttx | i.e. one was actually done but you kept it open to track -extra work | 16:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | both are implemented | 16:28 |
| ttx | and the other was doc | 16:28 |
| ttx | ok | 16:28 |
| ttx | 11 bugs on the RC list | 16:29 |
| ttx | would be good to refine to releae blockers | 16:29 |
| ttx | I suspect the "undecided" unassigned one isn't | 16:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, most of the are doc ones | 16:29 |
| ttx | s othose are more nice-to-have than release blockers, right ? | 16:30 |
| ttx | maybe use a tag to track doc nice-to-haves for Juno release | 16:31 |
| ttx | and keep the list for true release blockers | 16:31 |
| ttx | so that we know how far we are | 16:32 |
| ttx | ideally we would tag thiws week, or before Tuesday next week | 16:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think we're able to have a tag later this week | 16:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we have only several blockers | 16:32 |
| ttx | do you need to tag a client release to catch up with final oslo versions ? | 16:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I will cleanup the list and share you the list of blockers | 16:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, yup | 16:33 |
| ttx | ok, would be good to do it asap | 16:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, it'll be with only one change - oslo versions update | 16:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I will do it today | 16:33 |
| ttx | right | 16:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | do we need to bump version in global req? | 16:33 |
| ttx | that's all I had releasewise | 16:33 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: no | 16:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, ack | 16:34 |
| ttx | not unless that fixes a critical bug somewhere | 16:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok | 16:34 |
| ttx | Looking at the design summit, Sahara would get 5 scheduled sessions and a half-day meetup (compared to 7 sessions in ATL) | 16:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, action items on me - release sahara client w/ updated oslo libs and cleanup list of issues that are blockers for release, mark doc issues with tag | 16:34 |
| ttx | so more time overall, but less scheduled slots. | 16:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, that's great | 16:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, meetup time will make us able to discuss internalls much better than always | 16:35 |
| ttx | agree on actions. I'll be in touch for a potential RC1 tag later this week if you make good progress | 16:35 |
| ttx | anything for meeting tonight ? | 16:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | note: we have several sahara-related fixes in horizon still on review | 16:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but it's not a topic for meeting I think | 16:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, I think nothing more from my side | 16:37 |
| ttx | maybe just make sure they stay on their RC1 list | 16:37 |
| ttx | ok, ttyl | 16:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thank you | 16:37 |
| ttx | mestery: i'll ping you around 19:30 UTC for more sync | 16:37 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: I've cleaned up all of the oslo next-juno milestones (renamed the one for oslo-incubator and closed all of the others). The juno series is still open for all and I don't know how to close that, but if you let me know I can do it. | 18:31 |
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| sdague | ttx: the requirements readme from this morning is updated - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116708/ | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, sahara client w/ fresh req just released | 18:56 |
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| mestery | ttx: I'll be here, thanks! | 19:08 |
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| ttx | mestery: around? | 19:35 |
| mestery | ttx: o/ | 19:35 |
| ttx | #topic Neutron | 19:35 |
| ttx | so you asked, when is RC1 | 19:36 |
| ttx | ideally some time this week | 19:36 |
| ttx | if not, early next week | 19:36 |
| mestery | OK, makse sense | 19:36 |
| ttx | so the goal is to cut down the buglist so that it only contains release blockers | 19:36 |
| mestery | Yes, I've been working on that | 19:37 |
| mestery | I should have it under control by tomorrow | 19:37 |
| mestery | Or even toinight | 19:37 |
| ttx | You're fine with 2.3.9 as client release ? | 19:38 |
| mestery | Yes, unless someone tells me otherwise | 19:38 |
| ttx | ok, anything else about release ? | 19:38 |
| ttx | I'll be in touch later this week to see if we can tag | 19:38 |
| mestery | Nothing at this time nope | 19:39 |
| mestery | Thanks ttx! | 19:39 |
| ttx | OK, summit-wise, Neutron will get a full day of meetup + 9-11 scheduled sessions | 19:39 |
| ttx | so you can start planning | 19:39 |
| mestery | OK, that sounds about perfect | 19:39 |
| mestery | We are doing that on an etherpad | 19:39 |
| ttx | ok great | 19:40 |
| mestery | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics | 19:40 |
| ttx | mestery: anything else ? | 19:40 |
| mestery | ttx: That's it, thanks! | 19:40 |
| ttx | alright then. | 19:40 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 19:40 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 23 19:40:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-09-23-08.02.html | 19:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-09-23-08.02.txt | 19:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-09-23-08.02.log.html | 19:40 |
| mestery | Good night ttx | 19:40 |
| ttx | unfortunately, not yet :) | 19:40 |
| mestery | :) | 19:41 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, david-lyle, here is an etherpad with patches we need in J in Horizon | 22:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, david-lyle https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-horizon-remaining-changes-for-juno | 22:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, david-lyle, now all of them have a bug | 22:47 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, I've cleaned up the rc1 launchpad page for sahara - https://launchpad.net/sahara/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 22:51 |
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| david-lyle | SergeyLukjanov: all have been targeted to RC-1 | 23:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | david-lyle, thank you, that | 23:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | that's great | 23:24 |
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