Tuesday, 2015-01-13

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ttx#startmeeting ptl_sync08:59
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ttxasalkeld: around?08:59
asalkeldhi ttx08:59
ttx#topic Heat08:59
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/kilo-208:59
ttxasalkeld: o/08:59
asalkeldis that ok?08:59
asalkeldtried to prune stuff08:59
asalkeldon in unknown state08:59
asalkelds/on/one09:00
asalkeldhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/support-cinderclient-v209:00
asalkeldneed to checkup on that09:00
ttxok09:00
ttxI'd say you're a bit late in progress09:00
asalkeldwhat do you mean?09:01
ttxYou should have more stuff in review if you want to complete all those targets :)09:01
ttx(only 3 weeks left)09:01
asalkeldi think it's ok09:01
asalkeldthere are patches up for all but the unknow one09:02
ttx#info 1 done, 1 inreview, 4 inprogress, 1 uhnknown09:02
ttxOK -- do you have specific deadlines for Heat ? Trying to collect them and list them on the cycle page09:02
ttxlike a spec proposal or a spec approval deadline09:03
asalkeldnothing specific09:03
ttxok good09:03
ttxWe'll skip next week sync point as I'll be travelling09:03
asalkeldok09:03
asalkeldi'll update the states of thoes bps09:03
ttxso tyalk to you in two weeks, or ping me before if you have something urgent09:03
asalkeldcool09:03
ttxasalkeld: have a good day!09:04
asalkeldyou too09:04
ttxjohnthetubaguy: ready when you are09:04
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johnthetubaguyttx: I was just going to do a quick coffee run, back in 509:04
ttxsounds like a good idea.09:04
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ttx#topic Nova09:08
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/kilo-209:08
ttx#info 22 inreview, 29 inprogress, 17 notstarted09:09
johnthetubaguyyes, fun fun09:09
johnthetubaguyits looking like a pending blood bath at the end of kilo-209:10
johnthetubaguyI need to send a mail that just talks about that deadline later09:10
ttxAt this point I'd say the High "Not started" ones should really get started... and the Low "Not started" ones should start feeling the heat09:10
johnthetubaguyyes, the high are likely to slip to kilo-3 at this point09:11
ttxCould you remind me of the Nova deadlines ?09:11
johnthetubaguysure, two weeks before kilo-2 I plan to cut everything that does not have any code up09:11
johnthetubaguywell, doesn't have all code up09:12
johnthetubaguypriority list items go to kilo-309:12
johnthetubaguyother stuff goes to l09:12
johnthetubaguybasically its feature freeze for stuff not on the priority list09:12
johnthetubaguythere will be exceptions, but we don't want to grant them till blueprints are completed, to try and manage the review bandwidth, but lets see09:13
johnthetubaguydoes that make sense?09:13
ttxso a non-priority-feature-code-proposal deadline on... Jan 22 ?09:13
johnthetubaguyyes09:13
ttx#info Nova non-priority-feature-code-proposal on Jan 2209:14
ttxI've seen the rush for exceptions on the list already09:14
johnthetubaguyyes, I need to work through those09:15
johnthetubaguythere are quite a few priority things, which we should approve09:15
johnthetubaguythe other stuff, I hope we can mostly push back on09:15
ttxright, need to map them to the prio list09:15
johnthetubaguyit should be in the spec in gerrit, but I might reply to the list to confirm the priority ones, that could help09:15
ttxwe'll skip the 1:1 next week as I'll be on a staff sprint, but feel free to ping me if you need me09:15
johnthetubaguyOk, thats cool09:16
johnthetubaguythe week after, its the nova-meetup09:16
johnthetubaguyso might be catching up with you later in the day, if thats OK09:16
ttxsure, no pb09:16
johnthetubaguycool, thanks09:16
ttxanything else ?09:16
johnthetubaguyI think thats all for now09:16
ttxjohnthetubaguy: ok, have a good day and week!09:16
johnthetubaguyand you!09:17
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eglynnttx: knock, knock whenever you're ready12:59
ttxeglynn: sorry was busy replying to privacy vs. logging nonsense13:02
ttx#topic Ceilometer13:02
eglynnttx: np!13:02
eglynn#link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-213:02
ttxAh, Daniel beat me to it13:02
eglynnso some progress in unblocking k2 BPs where the specs review hadn't landed13:02
eglynnstill a couple in the blocked state13:03
ttxack13:03
eglynnif not resolved by EoW I'll bump off kilo-213:03
ttx#info 3 inreview, 4 inprogress, 2 blocked13:03
ttxWe'll skip the 1:1s next week13:04
eglynnother than that progress continues ... cdent is making waves with gabbi13:04
ttxI'm travelling and will probably be off13:04
ttxjust ping me if anything urgent surfaces13:04
eglynn(the underpinnings of declarative-http-tests, but also useful accross the baord for API testing)13:04
eglynncoolness13:04
ttxyep, read that thread, I think this is a good thing13:04
eglynncool13:05
ttxI was wondering if there were any special deadline the ceilometer team would like to implement13:05
ttxwant to document them on the release cycle page13:05
ttxso if you have a spec deadline, or code proposal deadline... let me know13:05
ttx(by default we only have feature freeze on kilo-3 day13:05
ttx)13:05
eglynna-ha, k, I discuss that with the team at the weekly meeting on Thurs13:06
ttxthere used to be convergence around those but this cycle it's all over the map, so I figured I should try to list them all to clarify13:06
eglynnyeap, good idea13:06
ttxon the progress side, I feel like this is still going a bit slow, hopefully people will switch gears in the coming 3 weeks13:07
ttxyou're not the only project in that situation :)13:07
ttxThat's all I had -- anything on your side ?13:08
eglynnyeah, last week let like folks just waking up13:08
eglynnnope, that's all for me13:08
eglynn*felt like13:08
eglynnthanks for your time!13:08
ttxeglynn: have a good week!13:08
ttxSergeyLukjanov: ready when you are13:10
dhellmannttx: hi13:19
ttx#topic Oslo13:19
ttxdhellmann: o/13:19
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/kilo-213:20
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-kilo13:20
dhellmannwe cleaned up the k-2 list a bit since last week13:21
ttxHow many libs are left to migrate to the non-namespace world ?13:21
dhellmannwe need to patch oslo.vmware (in flight) and then we have 4 more to release13:21
dhellmannthat's 4 after the vmware patch lands13:22
dhellmannwe could do oslo.rootwrap any time you're ready for a release13:22
ttxok, so likely to be completed at k2 or start of k3, good13:22
dhellmannyeah, I expect to release them all in the next ~1.5 wks13:22
ttxdhellmann: there was a bug reported that I could try to fix, let me up the prio on my todo list13:22
dhellmannok13:22
ttxif I don't get to it this week, we'll just release with the namespace package drop13:22
ttxDo you have any oslo-specific deadline this cycle ?13:23
ttxLike all graduations must be completed by X, or all feature code must be proposed by Y ?13:23
dhellmannno, we haven't proposed anything like that13:24
ttx(by default we only have feature freeze on kilo-3 day)13:24
ttxok -- if you do, keep me posted. I'd like to document them all to reduce confusion13:24
ttxAlso I'll skip next week's 1:1 because I'll be traveling13:24
dhellmanncertainly13:24
ttxping me for anything urgent13:24
dhellmannoh, we'll probably freeze a week or so earlier than k-3 like we did last cycle13:24
dhellmannwe haven't picked a date, I'll put that on my list of things I need to figure out13:25
ttxdhellmann: freeze as in code freeze, or code proposal freeze ?13:25
ttxi.e. no more n,ew code to review, or no more code merged ?13:25
dhellmannfeature freeze13:25
ttxok, so no more code merged13:25
dhellmannwell, unless we have to fix bugs to allow the other projects to move ahead13:26
ttx#info Oslo feature freeze likely to happen one week before the kilo-3 common freeze13:26
ttxmakes sense for libraries and probably keystone13:26
dhellmannyeah, it worked pretty well for us last cycle13:26
ttxdhellmann: ok, anything else ?13:26
dhellmannnothing from me13:27
ttxdhellmann: ok then, have a good day and week! Talk to you later13:28
dhellmannttx: thanks, you too!13:28
ttxSergeyLukjanov: you can still go now if you want13:29
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mesteryttx: Ready when you are15:00
ttxmestery: hi!15:01
ttx#topic Neutron15:01
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/kilo-215:02
mesteryFYI: We discussed all "Essential" and "High" priority BPs in our meeting just now15:02
mestery#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-01-13-14.02.html15:02
mesterySo the broader logs for more information15:02
ttx#info 3 done, 18 inreview, 6 inprogress, 5 notstarted15:02
mestery#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-01-13-14.02.log.txt15:02
* ttx quicklooks15:03
mesteryBottom line: I expect some of those to slip to Kilo-3 as they always do :)15:04
mesteryBut we're making good progress in others15:04
ttxyep, but overall you don't seem completely off15:04
mesteryNo, we're doing pretty good this time around actually!15:04
ttxlots of stuff in review already15:05
mesteryPeople are focused on the right thigns now, which helps15:05
ttxso now would be a good time to land them15:05
mesteryYes15:05
mesteryAlso, as far as this is concerned:15:05
mestery#link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-specs/specs/kilo/core-vendor-decomposition.html15:05
mesteryWe're making great progress!15:05
mesteryLots of people decomposing their plugins and moving code to stackforge, github, etc.15:06
mesteryI'm pleasantly surprised actually15:06
mestery;)15:06
ttxmestery: cool15:06
ttxI seem to remember you have specific deadlines already announced15:06
mesteryYes, and armax has been great at helping people here.15:06
ttxI'm collecting them so I can docuemnt them all15:06
mesteryttx: The spec indicates plugins/drivers should make progress during Kilo, and during Lxxx we may take efforts to remove those which are not complying15:07
mesteryI wanted to give two cycles for this, so we did :)15:07
ttxMore generally, do you have a spec proposal/approval deadline ? Or a code proposal deadline ?15:07
mesteryYes: SPD/SAD was 12-8-2014 and 12-15-210415:08
mestery*201415:08
mesteryThose passed last year :)15:08
ttxright15:08
ttxI'll still document them for posterity :)15:08
mesteryGot it, and thanks!15:08
ttx#info SPD was 12-8-2014 and SAD was 12-15-210415:08
mesterylol15:08
mestery12-15-201415:08
mesteryMy typo made it to your #info! :)15:09
ttxdon't underestimate my capacity to copypaste15:09
mesteryrofl15:09
ttxdo you already have a code proposal deadline ? or you expect to follow the usual one two weeks before FF ?15:09
mesteryYes, we'll follow the usual I suspect15:09
ttx#info Likely to have CPF two weeks before kilo-315:10
ttxWe'll be skipping 1:1s next week -- ping me if you have an uregnt question or topic to discuss15:10
ttxThat's all I had15:10
mesteryACtually, that works out great, I'm travelling next week so would have had to miss anyways ;)15:10
ttxhah! awesome15:11
mesteryI'll have more stats on plugin decomposition in two weeks for you15:11
mesteryJust to track progress.15:11
mesteryThats all from me, thanks!15:11
ttxOk then, have a good day and week15:11
mesteryyou too!15:11
SergeyLukjanovttx, I'm sorry for being late :( calendar reminder ended last week...15:15
ttxheh15:15
SergeyLukjanovttx, if you're able to make a sync now..15:15
ttxSergeyLukjanov: you have 5 min now if you want15:16
ttx#topic Sahara15:16
SergeyLukjanovttx, probably it'll be better for you to use another time today?15:16
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/sahara/+milestone/kilo-215:16
ttxSergeyLukjanov: no fine now15:16
ttx#info 7 inreview, 1 inprogress, 2 blocked15:16
ttxTime to turn some of those to "implemented", otherwise looks good15:17
SergeyLukjanovyeah, blocked are now candidates to be moved to kilo315:17
ttxAny specific deadlines announced for Sahara ?15:17
SergeyLukjanovttx, I think no, everything is going ok15:18
ttxok, so just the feature freeze on kilo-315:18
SergeyLukjanovttx, FPF at March 5 will be used I think15:18
ttxWe'll skip 1:1s next week, ping me if urgent questions arise15:18
ttx#info Likely to have FPF two weeks before kilo-315:19
SergeyLukjanovttx, okay, thank you, sorry again about being late, already created reminders for the whole year15:19
ttxSergeyLukjanov: sounds all good -- talk to you later15:19
ttxnikhil_k: ready when you are15:19
nikhil_kttx: o/15:20
ttx#topic Glance15:20
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ttx#link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/kilo-215:20
ttx#info 1 inreview, 1 notstarted15:20
ttxSounds manageable15:20
nikhil_kttx: yeah, we've some glance_store specs/BPs15:21
nikhil_khowever, they do not come in this milestone release cycle15:21
ttxI didn't notice any specific deadline for Glance apart from Feature Freeze on kilo-315:21
ttxlet me know if I missed any15:21
nikhil_kWe've an inofficial one ~2 weeks after k-215:21
nikhil_kWhere would you like me to post that bulletin?15:22
ttxI can #info it15:22
ttxwhat is it ?15:22
ttxsome code proposal freeze ?15:22
ttxor spec freeze ?15:22
nikhil_kWe want all the features to be code-ready (good for approvals) 2 weeks after k-215:23
ttxok, so feature/code proposal freeze15:23
nikhil_kyes15:23
ttx#info FPF 2 weeks after k215:23
ttxWanted to ask you for confirmation before formally adding Erno to glance-stable-maint15:23
ttxI briefed him on stable policy so he is good ot go if you +1 it15:23
nikhil_kttx: I've communicated to most of folks that specs would not be officially approved unless a decent amount of code is posted15:24
nikhil_kttx: ok, your topic first15:24
nikhil_kttx: I'm okay with it. One question: does the glance-stable-maint apply to all the repos in the program?15:24
ttxnikhil_k: only those with a stable branch15:24
ttxso probably only openstack/glance15:25
nikhil_kttx: cool. We should soon have glance_store to the list15:25
ttxok15:25
ttxso, specs requiring some code to be approved15:25
nikhil_kso, does that mean he and I are in that group?15:25
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nikhil_kttx: wondering how could I add more people when necessary?15:26
ttxCurrently Flavio and you in the group15:26
nikhil_kah ok15:26
ttxnikhil_k: if you feel it's necessary you can propose other people. We'll reach out to them to teach/explain them stable policy and then add them15:27
ttxbut I would go with the 3 and see how it goes15:27
nikhil_kThat sounds good.15:27
ttxbetter keep an active small group, there aren't that many backports to review15:27
nikhil_kActually. I've someone really good for that job, in mind.15:27
nikhil_kAnyways, until next time...15:27
ttxabout specs requiring some code to be approved, I don't think other projects do that but that shouldn't prevent you from doing it15:28
nikhil_kah ok15:28
ttxlet me know how that goes15:28
nikhil_kthe issue is15:28
nikhil_kok15:28
ttxI'll miss the 1:1 sync next week, ping me if you have questions15:28
nikhil_ksure thing! Appreciate it/15:28
ttxAnything you wanted to mention now ?15:29
nikhil_kone question15:29
nikhil_kWould you like to track glance_store specs/BPs in the launchpad milestone15:29
nikhil_kso that it comes in the release notes at the end of the cycle15:29
nikhil_khowever, that project does not follow the milestone dates15:30
nikhil_kit has it's own releases15:30
ttxnikhil_k: actually depends how you consider glance_store. My understanding is that it's a library which strives to have backward compat, much like oslo libs15:30
nikhil_kyeah15:30
ttxthose don't have formal stable branches, more like semver versioning15:30
nikhil_kgotcha15:30
ttxso we usually track them separately (different version numbers)15:30
ttxbetter release them separately as well15:31
nikhil_kokay, I will try to do that and get back to you if run into issues15:31
ttxif you want a template, consider using the ones in oslo15:31
ttxsure15:31
ttxthingee: around?15:31
ttxnikhil_k: thx!15:31
thingeettx: hello!15:31
nikhil_kThanks15:31
ttx#topic Cinder15:31
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/kilo-215:31
thingeeI moved out the ones that haven't started15:32
thingeecontacted people individually15:32
ttx#info 2 done, 17 inreview, 6 started15:32
ttxLooks good to me15:32
thingeeI have put reminders in the ones in review with no updates in a while that a reminder of k-2 deadline15:32
ttxyeah, that sounds reasonable (removing not started at this point)15:32
thingeejust left comments in review. might email people too15:32
ttxSo if I remember correctly, you have a non-priority feature freeze at k2, much like Nova does15:33
ttxthen only priority stuff / exceptions alowed in k315:33
thingeethis week, the plan is to get on people with no code yet for their spec. I'm worried about some people that have multiple things assigned this milestone15:33
ttxis that right?15:33
thingeettx: that is correct. In fact I set a topic for our meeting tomorrow as a reminder. email to the list to follow15:34
ttxthingee: yes, people sometimes sign up for 3 things and deliver none, while if they signed up for one they would have completed it15:34
ttx#info Non-priority feature freeze at kilo-215:35
ttx(trying to keep track of them all)15:35
ttxok, you seem to have things under control. We'll skip 1:1s next week as I'm traveling15:36
ttxFeel free to ping me as needed though15:36
thingeeok, hope it's fun traveling15:36
ttxShould be fun traveling yes. Foundation staff retreat15:36
ttxQuestions on your side ?15:36
thingeesounds great15:37
thingeenope15:37
ttxalright then, have a great day & week15:37
thingeehave a great rest of your day too15:37
thingeebtw, cross project meeting today is still marked to be confirmed.15:38
ttxoh. Fixing that now. I sent a reminder this morning15:38
ttxthx for the heads-up15:39
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ttxmorganfainberg: I'll be 5 min late16:58
morganfainbergttx, np17:03
ttxmorganfainberg: back17:07
ttx#topic Keystone17:07
morganfainbergttx, wb17:07
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/kilo-217:07
morganfainbergbugs are trickling in / being assigned17:07
ttx#info 4 inreview, 4 inprogress, 2 notstarted17:08
ttxLooks like this is on track17:08
ttxThough the not started ones should probably get started soon17:08
morganfainbergwe might have a couple smaller specs and associated BPs land in k2 as well17:08
ttxok17:08
morganfainbergi'm still curating before assignign and marking as blocked17:09
ttxDo you have any specific deadlines in Keystone ?17:09
morganfainbergk2 is spec-proposal-deadline17:09
ttx#info spec proposal deadline at K217:09
ttxI'm trying to collect them all17:09
morganfainbergthough next cycle i hope we can roll that back a good deal.17:09
morganfainbergi hate cramming all the spec code into m317:09
ttxany other ? (apart from classic Feature freeze at k3)17:10
ttxMaybe the code proposal freeze two weeks before k3 ?17:10
morganfainbergyeah i'll float that at the meeting today, but no one should complain17:10
ttx#info probably a code proposal freeze two weeks before k317:10
ttxIn other news, I added the keystonemiddleware / keystoneclient deprecation discussion to the TC agenda17:11
morganfainbergcool17:11
ttxwill you be around ?17:11
morganfainbergthanks17:11
morganfainbergyes17:11
ttxOK, hopefully we'll have time to discuss it -- it's in a deep agenda17:11
morganfainbergi expect it to go mostly with sdagues recommendation17:11
ttxAlso we'll skip 1:1s next week as I'll be away17:11
morganfainbergbut this is a case where the TC signing off on it would be good.17:11
ttxping me if anything urgent comes (unlikely but...)17:12
morganfainbergkeystone midcycle is next week, I was going to ask for a skip anyway17:12
ttxhah, good17:12
morganfainbergenjoy the foundation off-site! :)17:12
ttxAlright, that's all I had17:12
ttxmorganfainberg: have a good day and week and nextweek !17:12
morganfainbergcheers.17:12
ttxdevananda: around?17:12
devanandattx: sorta17:13
ttx#topic Ironic17:13
ttxshouldn't take long17:13
devanandak k17:13
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/kilo-217:13
devanandabiggest news on my end is rackspace confirmed they'll host a second sprint in SF17:13
ttx#info 4 inreview, 3 inprogress, 4 blocked17:13
devanandaI updated the wiki page with details17:13
ttxI suspect you have code lined up for those Blocked ones, just pending spec approval ?17:14
devanandaas far as k2 milestone, I have a suspicion that many things will slip to k3, given that the state machine changes are still underway and blocking several other specs17:14
ttxoh, ok17:14
ttxI'm collecting project-specific deadlines -- do you have any in Ironic ?17:15
devanandanope - w17:15
devanandawe're following the general guidelines this cycle17:15
ttxok17:15
ttxwe'll skip next week's 1:1s17:15
ttxThat's all I had17:15
ttx#info State machine blocking several specs, expecting some deferrals to k317:16
ttxdevananda: have a good day and week!17:16
devanandattx: cheers! you too17:16
ttxSlickNik: ready when you are17:16
ttxHmm, I guess we'll skip Trove today17:30
ttxok, let's skip17:35
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SlickNikttx: apologies for the skip today. Was on the road (in India) — and my internet connection flaked out on me.19:47
SlickNikttx: will follow up with you on email.19:47
ttxSlickNik: no pb. Note that we'll skip next week 1:119:47
SlickNikttx: sounds good. Thanks for the heads up.19:50
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nikhil_kttx: commented on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145544/21:37
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