Tuesday, 2015-09-08

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ttxdhellmann: o/13:04
mesterydhellmann ttx: Just a reminder on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220606/13:07
ttxmestery: yes, we'll handle that once dhellmann is up and running13:07
mesteryttx: Thanks!13:07
dhellmannttx: o /13:08
ttxdhellmann: Had a good holiday weekend ?13:08
dhellmannI did, yes. Football, grilling, and writing. How was your weekend?13:08
dhellmannmestery: I'll be on that as soon as I've caught up with my inbox13:08
mesterydhellmann: Thanks, glad you enjoyed the weekend as well :)13:09
ttxdhellmann: calm :)13:09
dhellmannmestery: I hope yours was good, too!13:09
dhellmannttx: nice13:09
mesterydhellmann: It was great! I tied it togehter with a vacation last week, so it's hard coming back :)13:10
dhellmannmestery: oh, that's a tough adjustment :-)13:10
ttxdhellmann: when you have 5 min we should discuss client releases13:16
dhellmannttx: ok, what's up?13:41
ttxdhellmann: we have abacklog to process, and also wanted to discuss the response to Manila13:42
ttxthe "I'll release at the end" response we got from Ben13:42
dhellmannyeah, that's not a good plan13:42
ttxand how much we can support that13:42
dhellmannnot at all13:42
dhellmannthere is no integration testing of unreleased client changes13:43
dhellmannwe need clients to start doing weekly release reviews like the other libraries13:43
ttxyeah, I'll admit I failed to understand the situation they are in and why that would prevent a release being done now. Maybe master in non-functional but current release is ?13:43
dhellmannI suppose that's possible13:43
ttxdo you think you have enough to convince him, or would you prefer I intervene ?13:44
johnthetubaguydhellmann: we were just talking about that for python-novaclient, weekly releases that is13:44
ttxdhellmann: please not I won't be much around for the next 3 days, ->conference13:45
dhellmannjohnthetubaguy: good! I have been trying to work out some easy ways to encourage that without me having to email release liaisons directly13:45
ttxI'll check email and IRC and all, but won't be "around" that much13:45
johnthetubaguydhellmann: do the feature base releases totally tends towards right at the last moment, in a big bang, totally want to get away from that13:45
dhellmannttx: maybe you should go ahead and chime in now, then? normally I would say I'd start by pushing myself, but if you're going to be out of pocket a lot this week...13:45
dhellmannjohnthetubaguy: right, and for the same reason that we release oslo so often -- to have those libs running in the integration tests for as long as possible before stable branches13:46
ttxhmm, or you reply and a +1, I think you can articulate that better than I would13:46
ttx"and I +1"13:46
johnthetubaguyttx: sorry, I did get contacts from you about string freeze, but I failed to write them down, do you have those again?13:46
dhellmannttx: ok, let me find that thread13:46
ttxjohnthetubaguy: that would be Lana and Daisy, Docs and I18N ptls13:47
johnthetubaguyttx: OK, so I guess the release team is not managing the string exceptions this time?13:48
ttxjohnthetubaguy: we never actually did. It was all about communicating exceptions as you grant them13:48
ttxmake sure docs/i18n are aware of them13:49
johnthetubaguyttx: ah, OK13:49
openstackgerritDavanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/releases: Oslo releases for Sep 8th, 2015  https://review.openstack.org/22130813:55
dims_dhellmann: ^^ once that checks out, we should be done with oslo stuff for liberty...cross my fingers!13:56
dhellmanndims_: ++13:57
dhellmannttx: my reply: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/073844.html13:57
ttxok, I'll +1 that13:58
dhellmannttx: thoughts on this depfreeze request from alan? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221267/14:04
dhellmannseems fine to me14:04
ttxsome distros seem to only have 1.5.3. Let me see how recent that 1.6 is14:06
ttxhmm, sounds like it's been here forever14:07
ttxyeah, sounds good14:08
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dhellmannttx: ok, I'll leave it for you to approve14:11
dhellmannoh, you did :-)14:11
ttxok, I +1ed14:15
jgriffithttx: question when you have a moment14:25
ttxdhellmann: maybe I can handle aodh @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217766/ -- dependent changes have merged14:26
ttxjgriffith: yes?14:26
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jgriffithttx: tags vs branches and master branch14:26
dhellmannttx: why don't you take one that we've done before? maybe neutronclient? I'm expecting to have to hand-hold a lot with that first adoh release, given the number of other failures I've had with first-time releases recently14:27
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jgriffithttx: I had assumed that we can go back to merging to master, and that things for rc would have to be backported/cherry-picked?14:27
jgriffithttx: or is master closed and RC patches only?14:27
ttxdhellmann: I figured it could be handled using intermediary.sh since its not a lib14:27
ttxjgriffith: master is feature-frozen until we cut the release branch. This usually happens just before we tag RC114:28
jgriffithttx: ok, thank you14:28
ttxbut it's a trade-off betwene backportign cost and cost of freezing development14:28
jgriffithttx: yeah, I sadly was living in the past14:29
dhellmannttx: oh, good point14:29
jgriffithttx: let me go fix my mess :)14:29
ttxdhellmann: I just need to align launchpad with what's expected there14:29
ttxgordc: could you add openstack-release to https://launchpad.net/~aodh-drivers so that I can fix the milestones there and do a proper release ?14:30
gordcttx: sure. let me do that now14:31
gordcttx: done14:31
ttxgordc: I'll close current fixcommitted bugs whan I release aodh 1.0.014:31
dhellmannttx: the ensure_milestone command should fix up launchpad, unless there is already a named milestone in a bad series14:31
gordcttx: awesome. thanks very much14:32
ttxso you might want to sanity-check https://bugs.launchpad.net/aodh/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED14:32
ttxdhellmann: there is a badly-named series there, yes14:32
dhellmannttx: ack14:32
ttxactually two14:32
dhellmannyeah, this is the sort of thing I run into on the first release of a project14:33
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases: swiftclient 2.6.0 release  https://review.openstack.org/22106714:33
gordcttx: looks sane to me.14:33
ttxlet's pray there is a tarball job now :)14:38
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases: Release Aodh 1.0.0  https://review.openstack.org/21776614:39
ttxjd__, gordc: aodh 1.0.0 is up at https://launchpad.net/aodh/+milestone/1.0.0 -- I'll let you announce it14:44
gordcttx: great! thanks again.14:44
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases: python-neutronclient: Release version 3.0.0  https://review.openstack.org/22060614:51
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dhellmannmestery: where did the alpha tags come from in the neutronclient repo?14:56
mesterydhellmann: I'm not 100% sure, but we must have ptu them in there when we moved to pbr post versioning a while back?14:57
dhellmannmestery: ok. they're breaking the release script so I'll have to look at how to fix that before we can do a release. I'll try to get it done today.14:59
mesterydhellmann: OK. I don't recall 100% where they came from, but that's my guess.14:59
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nikhil_k_dhellmann: ttx : hi. wanted to double check before I hit +A on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203242/ if it was still okay today to do so ?15:18
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ttxnikhil_k_: checking15:27
ttxnikhil_k_:  sure. The earlier it gets in the better15:27
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ttxdhellmann: I did reboot http://old-wiki.openstack.org/rc/ to track evolution of the number of RCx-targeted bugs15:33
ttxcurrently a little flat, gets more interesting as time passes by15:33
ttxdhellmann: another thing we can get rid of next cycle is the office hours. I'm not sure anyone ever used them. We should replace that by trying to establish some presence on channel every day (i.e. communicate when we can't be around so that others can pay extra attention)15:36
ttx(every week day I mean)15:36
jd__gordc: you announce?15:48
gordcjd__: no. i wanted to check with ildiko to see if she had migration/change doc ready15:48
jd__gordc: ok but you'll do it then? just to know if I had to put that in my todo :)15:49
gordcjd__: sure, i can announce. any special information you'd like included?15:49
jd__gordc: hm no15:50
gordcjd__: cool cool.15:50
jd__gordc: ttx: this release process really looks too easy to me15:52
jd__I'm sure it's a trap15:52
ttxjd__: wait until it's automated15:52
ttxand then it will really be magic15:52
* ttx booked extended vacation in 201615:52
jd__ttx: why I'm not surprised!15:53
ttxI'll personally visit every ATC in the world, or something.15:53
jrollttx: I did actually try to follow office hours until I realized y'all are always around :P15:54
ttxyeah, we have been doing it wrong15:54
nikhil_k_ttx: thanks, in pipe now.16:11
dhellmannttx: ++ to dropping office hours, since they don't really sync up with the times a few of the PTLs were online anyway16:13
dhellmannttx: what's the left column of that graph in http://old-wiki.openstack.org/rc/ ? bugs?16:14
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases: Oslo releases for Sep 8th, 2015  https://review.openstack.org/22130816:15
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack-infra/release-tools: make version comparison more robust  https://review.openstack.org/22140817:00
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases: Release glance-store 0.9.1  https://review.openstack.org/22082417:03
dhellmannmestery: the neutronclient release is done. You'll need to change the requirements bounds in g-r to make it usable, since the client is currently capped.17:09
mesterydhellmann: For master, right? Any pointers? (Also, in my last meeting of the day at the moment).17:10
mesterydhellmann: I can push it out in approx. 1 hour17:10
dhellmannmestery: you17:10
dhellmannmestery: you'll need to raise the cap from 3 to 4, and update the upper-constraints file, too. Ping me when you're ready to do it if you want me to walk you through it in more detail.17:11
mesterydhellmann: I'll do that, thanks!17:11
mesterydhellmann: I want to get this correct :)17:11
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mesterydhellmann: requirements update should look like this? http://paste.openstack.org/show/450540/17:23
dhellmannmestery: that looks good.17:25
mesterydhellmann: Cool! I'l push it out.17:26
mesterydhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/22142217:28
dhellmannmestery: +2. I want to coordinate with ttx, lifeless, and sdague before approving since we're in soft freeze.17:30
mesterydhellmann: Exactly!17:30
dhellmannttx: are we ready to announce the release history stuff at http://docs.openstack.org/releases/?18:09
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases: Import the release status table from wiki  https://review.openstack.org/22144418:25
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ttxdhellmann: I guess we are19:36
dhellmannttx: see that last patch ^^19:36
dhellmannhmm, maybe I should move that up a level, the main page is blank now19:37
dhellmannlet me do that19:37
ttxI'll update the status there too19:37
ttxdhellmann: so... someone else added Mitaka there19:38
ttxI think we shouldn't add it to the index until we have a page to link for it, meaning when we'll have that cycle formallystarted19:39
ttxlet me know when I can rereview it19:40
openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/releases: Import the release status table from wiki  https://review.openstack.org/22144419:40
dhellmannttx: ^^19:41
ttxack, will wait for the test job to generate the draft site for me19:43
dhellmannttx: I added "release managers" and lifeless to the reno-core team in gerrit https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/1067,members19:45
dhellmannttx: I have to leave right after the tc meeting, are you going to be in the cross-project meeting? do you want to bring up the need for client lib releases?19:45
ttxdhellmann: I will19:46
ttxwill point to your email19:46
dhellmannttx: thanks, I'll try to make it back before the end of the meeting, but for some reason folks keep scheduling things on tuesday evenings :-/19:46
notmynamewhen is/was the dependency freeze for liberty?19:52
notmynameit's not listed on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule19:52
dhellmannnotmyname: we're in soft freeze now and that should harden soon (next week?) ttx had an email with the schedule, let me find it19:55
dhellmannoh, he just announced it, there's no schedule in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2015-September/000588.html19:56
gordcdhellmann: if we have openstack-server-release-jobs and openstack-server-publish-jobs, and we have a tarball in tarballs.openstack.org/aodh. pypi should be updated on it's correct?19:58
dhellmanngordc: I think you also need pypi-jobs: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html#add-basic-jenkins-jobs19:59
notmynamedhellmann: the only questions we might have on swift is for pyeclib. which is only used by us. I'll check on getting stuff moving there as quickly as possible19:59
dhellmannnotmyname: ok. it's just a soft freeze now, so we're being more careful with reviews but making the deps accurate shouldn't be an issue -- adding something new would require more discussion20:00
notmynamedhellmann: got it20:00
gordcdhellmann: ah i see it now. thanks20:00
dhellmanngordc: we may need to spin a new patch release tag to make that work if you have to add a missing job20:01
gordcdhellmann: ack20:01
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openstackgerritJim Rollenhagen proposed openstack/releases: Release ironic 4.1.0  https://review.openstack.org/22150321:08
jrolldhellmann: present for after cross project mtg ^21:08
jrollthough I may want to update release notes hmm21:10
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