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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/requirements master: Updated from generate-constraints https://review.opendev.org/698405 | 06:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements master: update constraint for neutron-lib to new release 1.30.0 https://review.opendev.org/698333 | 08:05 |
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| prometheanfire | 10 min warning | 20:20 |
| prometheanfire | #startmeeting requirements | 20:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 11 20:33:24 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is prometheanfire. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 20:33 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 20:33 |
| prometheanfire | #topic rollcall | 20:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 20:33 | |
| prometheanfire | tonyb, prometheanfire, dirk, smcginnis ping | 20:33 |
| prometheanfire | o/ | 20:33 |
| dirk | o/ | 20:34 |
| prometheanfire | #topic Any controversies in the Queue? | 20:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Any controversies in the Queue? (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 20:35 | |
| tonyb[m] | I'm kinda here | 20:35 |
| prometheanfire | atm, I'd say we are moving along, sphinx has dropped py3 as well, so will need to uppdate gr for that (sphinxcontrib stuff) | 20:36 |
| dirk | py2 you mean? | 20:37 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 20:37 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 20:39 |
| dirk | wfm | 20:40 |
| smcginnis | Didn't we already handle that? Or did they change something else? | 20:40 |
| prometheanfire | it's the contrib plugins this time | 20:40 |
| prometheanfire | we have it handled for sphinx itself | 20:41 |
| smcginnis | Ah, OK. The fun never stops. | 20:41 |
| prometheanfire | yep, basically | 20:41 |
| prometheanfire | did you want to mention the neutron thing? | 20:41 |
| smcginnis | Oh right. So there are neutron plugins that use neutron itself as a library. Even though there is a neutron-lib, but I don't know enough to know why they don't have everything they need there. | 20:42 |
| smcginnis | Likely going forward they should try to get it all in the lib. | 20:42 |
| smcginnis | But there are some stable branches that are broken right now due to this. | 20:42 |
| smcginnis | Basically, theirs no upper-constraint for neutron, so things like stable/stein plugins are blowing up when the latest release of neutron gets installed. | 20:43 |
| tonyb[m] | We agreed they'd do that in Denver | 20:43 |
| prometheanfire | yep, and then they didn't | 20:43 |
| smcginnis | It would appear that plan was not followed through. | 20:43 |
| dirk | so we just add it for stable/ ? | 20:43 |
| dirk | I think its not fair to have stable broken over this | 20:44 |
| smcginnis | I agree. | 20:44 |
| dirk | master is a different story | 20:44 |
| prometheanfire | ya, just to stable seems like the right move | 20:44 |
| tonyb[m] | Then we said we'd treat them like any other library and add them to UC | 20:44 |
| prometheanfire | so abandon https://review.opendev.org/697369 ? | 20:44 |
| smcginnis | tonyb[m]: Add neutron? Or neutron-lib? | 20:44 |
| prometheanfire | or the plugin | 20:44 |
| tonyb[m] | Neutron | 20:45 |
| smcginnis | So what https://review.opendev.org/#/c/697369/ is doing is actually the plan? | 20:45 |
| smcginnis | I haven't had time to pay attention there. I see they all need updates to pick up the blacklist validation issue. | 20:46 |
| prometheanfire | remove from blacklist, make sure it's in gr, add to uc | 20:46 |
| tonyb[m] | And change the release type to cycle with intermediary | 20:46 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 20:46 |
| tonyb[m] | I'll try to do that today (and update smcginnis change) | 20:46 |
| smcginnis | Thanks, that would be great. | 20:47 |
| tonyb[m] | And do the appriate email etc | 20:47 |
| prometheanfire | ack | 20:47 |
| smcginnis | Slawek is the PTL now. Might be good to get his input on the plan. | 20:47 |
| tonyb[m] | Yeah I'll cc him | 20:48 |
| smcginnis | I would hope they could just put common things in neutron-lib, but don't know the details. | 20:48 |
| tonyb[m] | I don't think he was in the room | 20:48 |
| smcginnis | I see him in -dev. | 20:49 |
| tonyb[m] | Akihiro agreed to that as the ideal but .... Time and person power is limited | 20:49 |
| prometheanfire | as always :P | 20:49 |
| smcginnis | Pinged slaweq in -dev. | 20:50 |
| tonyb[m] | smcginnis: thanks | 20:51 |
| smcginnis | We can probably continue on. Guessing this is out of his normal working hours. | 20:51 |
| smcginnis | But maybe we can sync up out of meeting. | 20:51 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 20:52 |
| prometheanfire | #topic open floor | 20:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open floor (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 20:52 | |
| smcginnis | There's the django issue. | 20:52 |
| smcginnis | I have uncap patches out there, but then there's the larger issue that we do need it blacklisted or something so it doesn't get updated from the one blessed version that they need to move to. | 20:53 |
| prometheanfire | I think the uncap was approved | 20:53 |
| smcginnis | So I was wondering rather than uncapping, would it be better to recap it to the new version? | 20:53 |
| prometheanfire | isn't that what constraints is for? | 20:53 |
| smcginnis | Or do we have a way to prevent it from wanting to update since they apparently don't follow semver. | 20:53 |
| smcginnis | Yeah. I think the concern is just that upper-constraints will automatically get proposed to a newer version and we will need to remember to not allow that. | 20:54 |
| prometheanfire | constraints? | 20:54 |
| prometheanfire | ah | 20:54 |
| prometheanfire | is it just one or two versions that need masking? if not and there is a longer term new cap then a new cap seems ok | 20:55 |
| prometheanfire | but if the goal is to not cap, I think uncapping and being carful is the way forward | 20:55 |
| smcginnis | I believe longer term new cap. | 20:56 |
| smcginnis | Even doing a minor version bump requires some rework on the consuming end since they make backwards incompatible changes all the time. | 20:57 |
| smcginnis | At least from what I understand. | 20:57 |
| prometheanfire | ya, in that case just changing the cap seems right | 20:57 |
| smcginnis | There are some comments about it on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/697612/ | 20:58 |
| prometheanfire | yep | 20:58 |
| prometheanfire | anything else? | 20:58 |
| smcginnis | Nope | 20:59 |
| tonyb[m] | We're supposed to recapp but also get horizon input | 20:59 |
| prometheanfire | ya, for the value to cap at | 20:59 |
| smcginnis | That started things with https://review.opendev.org/#/c/697431/3 | 20:59 |
| prometheanfire | anyone have anything else? | 21:03 |
| smcginnis | Talking about django drove everyone away. ;) | 21:04 |
| prometheanfire | #endmeeting | 21:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Requirements - IRC meetngs on Wednesdays @ 07:00 UTC in here in #openstack-requirements - See agenda @ http://tinyurl.com/h44ryuw - IRC channel is *LOGGED* @ http://tinyurl.com/j38rk24" | 21:11 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 11 21:11:25 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:11 |
| prometheanfire | :D | 21:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2019/requirements.2019-12-11-20.33.html | 21:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2019/requirements.2019-12-11-20.33.txt | 21:11 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2019/requirements.2019-12-11-20.33.log.html | 21:11 |
| dirk | prometheanfire: I left a comment on django, sorry that distracted me | 21:21 |
| dirk | prometheanfire: I would suggest tor reconsider the +2 then | 21:21 |
| dirk | it looks like the horizon team only wants to deal with LTS releases, which means we need a newer cap not no cap | 21:21 |
| smcginnis | dirk: I think to get the new cap though, we first need to go through all the steps to get it uncapped, unfortunately. | 21:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/requirements master: Raise Cap on Django Version https://review.opendev.org/697431 | 21:36 |
| dirk | really? this isn't a lib is it? | 21:45 |
| dirk | smcginnis: can you explain the backgound? I think I'm missing some piece of information.. | 21:58 |
| smcginnis | dirk: We've had to go through this a couple times now. I don't remember all the details, but I think it has to do with what we will allow to change and how the requirements are pulled in while we are making those changes. | 22:11 |
| smcginnis | I think just changing the cap will cause a failure because global requirements will dictate one thing, but the project will call for something else. | 22:11 |
| smcginnis | So we need to remove the cap from g-r, then update the project. | 22:11 |
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| dirk | smcginnes: ack. I have missed that so far out seems | 23:33 |
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