Wednesday, 2019-05-08

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openstackgerritMerged openstack/rpm-packaging master: microversion_parse: convert to singlespec  https://review.opendev.org/65759303:29
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/rpm-packaging master: Use https for tarball.o.org  https://review.opendev.org/65765508:20
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toabctl#startmeeting rpm_packaging12:31
openstackMeeting started Wed May  8 12:31:13 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is toabctl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.12:31
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.12:31
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)"12:31
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging'12:31
toabctlping toabctl, dirk, apevec, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcrof, ykarel, cmurphy12:31
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toabctlas usual, please add your agenda points to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging12:32
dirko/12:33
toabctl#topic rpo-packaging and rpm-packaging?12:35
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toabctlthat's my topic12:35
toabctljpena, are there any plan to use rpm-packaging for RDO?12:35
toabctliirc we discussed that in the past but I think there was no progress or any plan to use rpm-packaging. did that change?12:36
jpenatoabctl: currently not. I've raised the topic a few times in the community, and there seems to be no interest to converge12:36
jpenathere's interest in the tool side (renderspec and others), but not for now in the specs12:36
toabctljpena, hm. anything we could do about that? what's the blocker?12:36
jpenaI've never got a definitive answer on that. It usually comes down to the effort required to migrate, plus "it works now"12:38
toabctlhm. ok12:38
toabctlanything else on that topic?12:39
jpenanothing from my side12:39
toabctl#topic starlingx and rpm-packaging12:39
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toabctlis that yours, dirk?12:39
dirkyes12:39
dirkso far as a heads up12:39
dirkthere was a bit of discussion with sgw from starlingx team at the PTG in denver12:40
dirkthey're in principle interested in re-using some of the rpm-packaging tooling for achieving easier/more portable builds of their packaging12:40
dirkespecially if it solves their need for ubuntu s upport12:40
dirkI kinda don't see a way to achieve that other than extending + fixing pymod2pkg for the ubuntu distro12:41
dirkI started a bit cleaning up their spec files and then we ran out of time12:41
dirk(there are open reviews). sgw and I want to do a more in-depth poc over the next few days12:41
dirkany questions?12:41
jpenathere was some ubuntu support in pymod2pkg12:42
dirkslightly related to that I believe there was some discussion with colleen at the summit about cross-packaging with/for debian12:42
jpenaI guess it needs some maintenance12:42
dirkI don't know the exact details of that as I wasn't there12:42
toabctlhow would pymod2pkg support for ubuntu help? we would need debian/rules and friends files.12:43
dirkjpena: right, I think its there, but we just need to use it in a real context to find the bugs12:43
jpenadirk: sure12:43
toabctland debian & ubuntu usually use the same package names. so there is imo no need for pymod2pkg support for ubuntu12:44
toabctlor am I missing something?12:44
dirkthat is true, a lot of the needs for renderspec isn't there (also use the same license tags)12:44
toabctlto have cross distro support - we would need a meta format that can render to rpm specs (in suse/fedora flavor) and debian/* files.12:45
dirkI believe this goes back to the ideas of having an externally defined yaml for managing the dependencies and "expanding" them into a debian specific format as well as spec files12:45
toabctlyes12:45
dirkyep, and there is some competing technology for that already in the market12:46
dirkI might not have time for this going forward, but if there is interest I signed up on the etherpad to connect the dots12:48
toabctlok12:49
toabctlanything else on that topic?12:49
dirknope12:50
dirkah, maybe one thing: I noticed that the renderspec documentation needs a bit of work12:51
dirklike e.g. a minimal walk through of how to create a spec.j212:51
dirkand how to call it from commandline12:51
dirkI have this somewhere on todo12:51
toabctl#topic open floor12:55
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toabctlanything else?12:55
dirkdo we want to discuss a bit the python 3.x switch?12:56
dirkmy understanding is that RHEL8 got released, so can we switch the CI to rhel8 instead of rhel7 and go with python 3.x only?12:57
dirkI recently started looking ath SLE15 enablement whcih is python 3.6 and would like to strip out python 2.x asap12:57
toabctlI guess the next step would be to convert the services we have to python3 only.12:58
dirkyeah, its half-way done12:59
dirkcurrently building a python 3.x openstack placement12:59
jpenawe'll need to wait until centos 8 is available (I've seen the first commits in git.centos.org), since rhel8 itself is not available without a subscription12:59
dirkalthough I was wondering if we want a shorthand over py2pkg('foo', py_versions=py3)12:59
dirkperhaps py3pkg('foo') ?12:59
toabctlhm. then py2pkg would be missleading13:00
toabctlbut I agree that a shorthand would be nice13:01
toabctlanything else?13:04
* toabctl has to leave soon13:04
dirknope13:05
toabctlok. thanks everybody13:06
toabctl#endmeeting13:06
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openstackgerritDirk Mueller proposed openstack/rpm-packaging master: [WIP] OpenStack Placement Service  https://review.opendev.org/65780113:21
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sgwdirk: Morning and thanks for bringing up the starlingx work you and I did, just to update you, I think we are going to start with cleaning up a copy of our CentOS specfiles (in parallel) and then consider converting to templates.13:57
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