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| sboyron | o/ | 13:31 |
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| jpena | it's meeting time! | 13:31 |
| jpena | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:31 |
| jpena | ping toabctl, dirk, apevec, jpena, number80, kaslcrof, rha, hberaud, sboyron | 13:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 21 13:31:38 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jpena. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:31 |
| jpena | chair sboyron | 13:31 |
| jpena | #topic roll call | 13:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:31 | |
| jpena | Remember to add any last-minute item to the agenda at https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:31 |
| hberaud | o/ | 13:33 |
| jpena | #chair sboyron hberaud | 13:33 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hberaud jpena sboyron | 13:33 |
| jpena | we have a short agenda today, let's go for it | 13:37 |
| jpena | #topic open floor | 13:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open floor (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:37 | |
| jpena | Do we have anything to discuss? | 13:37 |
| hberaud | Yes | 13:37 |
| hberaud | this one => http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-January/019842.html | 13:37 |
| hberaud | What do you think about this? | 13:37 |
| jpena | oh, I missed that one | 13:39 |
| * jpena reads | 13:39 | |
| hberaud | I would argue that the "independent" is the less disruptive choice | 13:41 |
| jpena | I think we should only remove our deliverables from wallaby on | 13:42 |
| jpena | previously we were an official project, so keeping it in the previous releases makes sense | 13:42 |
| jpena | so it would be option 2), with a caveat | 13:42 |
| hberaud | the problem is between openstack/governance and openstack/release only remove them will not fix the issue | 13:43 |
| hberaud | they will stay as inconsistent deliverables until they aren't ignored by release with openstack/governance keyword | 13:44 |
| hberaud | Maybe the solution is to add more status to openstack/governance | 13:45 |
| hberaud | But I wanted to discuss with you first | 13:45 |
| jpena | I think I'm missing something | 13:45 |
| jpena | so the issue is some coordination between the governance and release repos? | 13:46 |
| hberaud | on openstack/release we periodically execute some checks to detect inconsistences between governance info and our deliverables on openstack/Release | 13:46 |
| hberaud | and rpm-packaging projects appear as always leaded by the coordinated releases | 13:47 |
| jpena | ok, and the only way as of now to skip that check is to show up as "abandoned"? | 13:48 |
| hberaud | however rpm-packaging by switching to the SIG governance model doesn't appear in the list of coordinated projects | 13:48 |
| hberaud | unfortunatelly the SIG model lack of some details concerning this kind of scenario | 13:49 |
| hberaud | and on the release side our checks fails | 13:50 |
| hberaud | it's not a big deal | 13:50 |
| jpena | if we moved to independent for the time being, and removed the wallaby releases, would that be ok? | 13:50 |
| jpena | or would it complain about stable releases? | 13:51 |
| hberaud | but if for the available solutions are 1) remove these project but the inconsistent will continue until the governance isn't up-to-date too and it will provide you a status "abandonned" that could mislead lot of people, in other words this is a grey area 2) move to independent to avoid to mislead user but you will appear as indpendent since a while | 13:52 |
| jpena | yes, moving to independent sounds better | 13:53 |
| hberaud | I'm not fully sure but I think we could move only wallaby | 13:53 |
| jpena | it's just rpm-packaging, I guess | 13:53 |
| hberaud | yes | 13:53 |
| hberaud | TBH it could be worth to raise this point to the governance | 13:54 |
| hberaud | to allow us to think about that | 13:54 |
| sboyron | yes | 13:54 |
| sboyron | I think so, this seems to be an issue on governance/release side | 13:54 |
| hberaud | I don't expect we will stay the only ones to follow this scenario | 13:55 |
| sboyron | This change seems not well thinked and we should discuss it with gouv | 13:55 |
| sboyron | sure, that's the point | 13:55 |
| hberaud | ok I'll add the TC to the discussion | 13:55 |
| hberaud | (on the ML thread) | 13:55 |
| sboyron | great | 13:56 |
| jpena | +1 | 13:56 |
| hberaud | I'll bring our current discussion to the next release meeting | 13:56 |
| jpena | #action hberaud to raise the governance/release topic to the TC | 13:56 |
| hberaud | That's all for me | 13:57 |
| hberaud | Thanks for your attention | 13:57 |
| sboyron | hberaud, thanks for this point | 13:58 |
| jpena | thanks hberaud | 13:59 |
| jpena | anything else? | 13:59 |
| jpena | let's close then | 14:04 |
| jpena | #endmeeting | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging - Regular IRC Meeting Thursdays 13:30 PM UTC in openstack-rpm-packaging" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 21 14:04:27 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2021/rpm_packaging.2021-01-21-13.31.html | 14:04 |
| jpena | Thanks for coming! | 14:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2021/rpm_packaging.2021-01-21-13.31.txt | 14:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2021/rpm_packaging.2021-01-21-13.31.log.html | 14:04 |
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| hberaud | jpena: thanks | 14:36 |
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