Tuesday, 2014-10-28

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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/sahara: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/13033103:39
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/sahara-ci-config: Revert "Fix broken pep8-trunk job"  https://review.openstack.org/13097910:04
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/sahara: Fix bugs on doc registering an image  https://review.openstack.org/13126111:29
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/sahara: Fix bugs on Sahara overview  https://review.openstack.org/13126011:30
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/sahara: Fix bug on features.rst doc  https://review.openstack.org/13125411:38
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/sahara: Fix bug on diskimagebuilder.rst  https://review.openstack.org/13125111:38
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/sahara: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/13033111:52
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/sahara: Add scaling opportunity for fake plugin  https://review.openstack.org/13050211:53
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/sahara: Add checks in fake plugin  https://review.openstack.org/13081011:53
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openstackgerritDenis Egorenko proposed a change to stackforge/sahara-ci-config: Add distributed Sahara to CI  https://review.openstack.org/13055612:26
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openstackgerritSergey Reshetnyak proposed a change to openstack/sahara: Fix Cloudera plugin with CDH packages < 5.2.0  https://review.openstack.org/13142113:06
openstackgerritAndrey Pavlov proposed a change to openstack/sahara: Added ability to launch jobs on fake plugin  https://review.openstack.org/13080413:19
openstackgerritDenis Egorenko proposed a change to stackforge/sahara-ci-config: Add Sahara CI pypi mirror  https://review.openstack.org/13142613:28
openstackgerritDenis Egorenko proposed a change to stackforge/sahara-ci-config: Add Sahara CI pypi mirror  https://review.openstack.org/13142613:29
openstackgerritDenis Egorenko proposed a change to stackforge/sahara-ci-config: Add Sahara CI pypi mirror  https://review.openstack.org/13142613:31
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openstackgerritCorey Bryant proposed a change to openstack/sahara: Fix vanilla test_get_configs() for i386  https://review.openstack.org/13145814:53
openstackgerritCorey Bryant proposed a change to openstack/sahara: Fix vanilla test_get_configs() for i386  https://review.openstack.org/13145815:10
SergeyLukjanovtmckay, crobertsrh, could you help me to write good titles and descriptions for design summit sessions?15:40
crobertsrhSure.  Do we have a pad to work on?15:40
SergeyLukjanovcrobertsrh, still the same one - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-sahara-summit-topics15:41
crobertsrhack15:41
elmikoSergeyLukjanov: i updated the summary text on the security session, i tried to make it more usable for general purpose15:42
tmckaySergeyLukjanov, sure15:43
SergeyLukjanovthanks folks, so, please update the descriptions for sessions15:43
SergeyLukjanovand I'll push them to the sched today15:44
SergeyLukjanovto make folks able to plan their summit15:44
tmckaySergeyLukjanov, hmm, I think we need more words for HA and Production clusters15:49
crobertsrhYes, I think that's what we're for tmckay :)15:50
crobertsrhFind a way to say what is there, but with several more words :)15:50
tmckaycrobertsrh, but we're committing aignatov and dmitryme to what we say :)15:50
elmikolol15:50
tmckayok15:50
tmckayI can do that.  "Lawyer up", in other words15:51
crobertsrhKind of like ventriliquism15:51
* tmckay mis-applies that phrase but you get what I mean15:51
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crobertsrhYes, I totally get it :)15:54
tmckaySergeyLukjanov, okay, I made up stuff for Production clusters.  Is it right? :)15:57
tmckayis that what we meant?15:58
tmckaycroberts, we're overlapping15:58
tmckayone is I think how to make long-running robust, and one is what would you do with a long-running cluster .... ??15:58
tmckaycrobertsrh ^^15:59
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tmckayI'm unsure of the intention (SergeyLukjanov, aignatov)15:59
crobertsrhYou might be right there15:59
tmckayyou and I said the same thing in different ways15:59
crobertsrhMaybe Prod use cases is more about which sorts of jobs we intend to run (Storm, etc)?16:00
crobertsrhWe really nailed one of the descriptions though :)16:00
elmikohmm, those 2 topics are pretty close in terms of their titles16:00
tmckayyeah.  I'm not sure when aignatov had "HA" under use cases if he meant that you'd use Sahara for some sort of HA, or that it needs HA16:01
tmckayelmiko, yeah, we need help16:01
tmckayunless it's 2 sessions on the same thing because it's so big16:01
elmikowell, maybe the "clusters16:01
elmikoahem..16:01
elmikomaybe the "clusters" specific topic is more about the plugins, feature gaps, etc16:02
elmikowhereas the "use cases" is a more top down approach to everything about sahara in prod?16:02
dmitrymehey guys, just checked the descriptions. Look good to me, except we should swap topic for me and aignatov16:03
dmitrymeok, just did it16:03
tmckaydmitryme, we're concerned that we're describing the same thing in both topics16:03
tmckayboth talk about making long-running robust16:03
aignatovah, I have a meetings after a meeting today, will look at summit sessions later :)16:04
dmitrymetmckay: actually they are really close16:04
aignatovlong-running for me I guess16:04
tmckaydmitryme, how do we make them distinct?16:04
dmitrymetmckay: good question16:05
tmckaylol.  dmitryme, to me, "use case" sounds like "what do I use a long-running cluster for, versus a transient cluster?"16:06
tmckayand the other topic is "how do we make long-running clusters reliable and robust in Sahara?"  For instance, spark loads lots of stuff to /tmp16:06
tmckayFor long running, we definitely need to clean that stuff up16:06
tmckayFor transient, who cares?16:06
tmckaySo one is "what do I do with this, why do I want it?" and the other is "how do we as engineers make it work well?"16:07
tmckayIs that what we wanted? ^^16:07
tmckayor maybe we are looking for ideas from the community about features to add to make long-running clusters more usable?16:08
aignatovtmckay: exactly16:09
tmckayaignatov, which exactly?  :)  Please quote16:09
aignatovI mean latest your question :)16:11
aignatovhow to make long-living clusters more usable16:11
tmckayaignatov, okay16:12
aignatovmore reliable. scalable and so on16:12
aignatovfor example: we have cluster with 100 nodes, 10 of them died16:12
aignatovright now Sahara could not detected this16:12
aignatovcould not do anything with that :)16:13
crobertsrhSo, under "use cases".  Are we looking at discussion new frameworks/job types to support?16:14
crobertsrhAdditional data source types?16:15
tmckayso "Production Sahara clusters" deals with possible design flaws, and "Production Sahara use cases" deals with feature gap?16:15
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aignatovtmckay: we are discussing with dmitryme face to face about this16:27
tmckayaignatov, okay, thanks, let us know :)  We will be ghostwriters16:27
aignatovwill back wwith ideas soon16:28
crobertsrhI have to run away for a few min....I will be back soon.  Feel free to tweak or comment on what I have so far.16:28
aignatovI remember that my topic should contain message not only about long-living clusters16:39
aignatovbut for large clusters as well16:39
aignatovSergeyLukjanov: please confirm16:39
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aignatovrenamed it16:49
aignatovLarge and long-living clusters in Sahara looks more better for me16:49
elmikoaignatov: +1 , makes it easier to tell the difference between the two16:50
aignatovI think there will no objectios from PTL ;)16:51
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/sahara: typo found on Sahara Cluster Statuses Overview  https://review.openstack.org/13126317:26
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tmckayaignatov, so does "large" include both transient and long-living?17:30
tmckayor do we mean "a large, long-living cluster"17:30
tmckayso I can change the blue part correctly :)17:31
aignatovtmckay: sure17:34
aignatovthis topic is about large clusters mostly17:34
aignatovas you can see I’ve added sevral topcis to discuss17:34
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tmckayokay17:35
tmckayI'll modify, and you can take a look17:35
aignatovtmckay: I’m looking for your ghostwriter option to wrapp these options with good description for session :)17:35
tmckay:) alright.  Have to kill IRC, back in a minute ...17:35
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tmckaythat's better17:36
dmitrymetmckay: also composed the list of topics I want to discuss in my section17:42
crobertsrhdmitryme:  I updated my description for the "production" session.17:47
dmitrymecrobertsrh: looks good to me17:48
tmckayokay, here I go17:48
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elmikodmitryme: do we have any documentation about what the behavior of this bug is supposed to do? https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/130650518:11
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1306505 in sahara "EDP does not accept Swift container as collection of job binaries" [Medium,Triaged]18:11
elmikodmitryme: i ask because this could have wide ranging implications if we change it.18:11
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SergeyLukjanovreading the pad18:25
dmitrymeelmiko: do you mean, what Sahara is supposed to do if this bug is fixed18:26
dmitryme?18:26
elmikodmitryme: kinda, yea. currently everything expects those get_binary style functions to return a single object. but i think this will need to be changed so that everything is a dict or something, to allow multiple file return.18:27
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elmikodmitryme: did that make sense?18:34
dmitrymeelmiko: I am thinking about it18:35
elmikodmitryme: ok18:36
elmikodmitryme: i'm kinda thinking that the get_raw_data function should just change to always return a dict of {filename:data,...}, but it will impact many places.18:38
tmckayaignatov, dmitryme, elmiko, crobertsrh, okay, I gave it my best shot under "Large and long-living clusters in Sahara".  What do you think?18:38
crobertsrhlooking now18:39
tmckayoops, #3 is not a complete sentence18:40
elmikotmckay: the sub-sections are the topics that will be discussed?18:40
tmckaysome of them, not necessarily an exhaustive list.18:41
tmckaygoing from aignatov's notes18:41
crobertsrhsorry...looking now...was derailed by fresh cinnamon rolls18:41
elmikotmckay: looks good to me18:42
crobertsrhNice...makes me want to attend that session :)18:42
elmikolol18:42
tmckayI don't have a lot of words for performance18:43
tmckaynot sure what else to say18:43
crobertsrhI don't think these need to be particularly verbose18:43
tmckayI have in mind that performance is more important for large clusters, because in general you would assume that large clusters mean bigger problems being solved18:43
elmikoyea, we gotta leave something to talk about!18:43
tmckayheh, okay :)18:44
tmckaydone, then, unless aignatov vetos ;-)18:44
elmikotmckay: i think what you have about performance is a good brief18:44
tmckayis the other stuff too wordy?18:44
elmikohmm18:44
tmckayFeel free to cut18:44
elmikoit's a lot to read, but you've covered most of the main topics that will be discussed.18:45
crobertsrhThis is the text that will be in the schedule.  I'll look at others to see what they're doing.18:45
elmikogood idea18:45
tmckayoh, it might be too long then18:45
tmckayI thought maybe just the title would be in the schedule18:45
elmikotmckay: maybe cut down the itemized list to a second paragraph?18:45
elmikojust mention the topics that will be discussed18:46
crobertsrhYeah, we totally win the "description" game18:46
crobertsrhWe might fill our room just based on our flashy descriptions.18:47
tmckaywell, there is nothing that says SergeyLukjanov cannot just submit the opening paragraph, and we can keep other stuff here in the pad for notes or for people to link to.18:47
elmikoi like the "What would *you* like to be able to do with Sahara?"18:47
elmikothat's gonna draw some folks =)18:47
elmikotmckay: agreed, we should definitely keep those paras to have for the actual session18:48
SergeyLukjanovI'd like to submit the opening paragraph for each sessions18:48
SergeyLukjanovand them we'll have an etherpad for each session for more details18:48
tmckayk, I'll see if I can add a few example issues to the first paragraph18:48
dmitrymecrobertsrh: your correctios of aignatov’s topic look good to me18:49
crobertsrhtmckay gets paid by the word :)18:49
elmikolol18:49
tmckayokay, what about the new awesome opening paragraph for large and long?18:51
tmckay"Large and long".  That's what it should be called.18:51
elmikotmckay: +1 to the paragraph, -1 to the name18:51
tmckaylol18:51
crobertsrhSeems good to me18:51
elmikotmckay: gotta keep this family friendly and G-rated18:52
tmckayI don't know what you're talking about18:52
elmikolol18:52
elmikoi'm talking about not getting hauled into a sensitivity training session with you! ;)18:52
crobertsrhelmiko:  It's a good thing you'll have a keeper in Paris...not sure it's a good idea to unleash your dirty mind on the city of light.18:53
elmikoLOL18:53
tmckayokay, have to run out for a bit, be back soon18:55
dmitrymeelmiko: re bug I’ve checked the18:57
dmitrymesorry18:57
dmitrymeso re bug #1306505. I18:57
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1306505 in sahara "EDP does not accept Swift container as collection of job binaries" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130650518:57
dmitrymeoh18:57
dmitrymemy18:57
dmitrymeI hit the enter too early for the second time18:57
dmitrymeso, I’ve checked the code. It seems like there are three places which use get_raw_data(): 1. the v1.1 api which returns job binary. 2. oozie engine 3. spark engine18:59
elmikodmitryme: right, those use it directly. other place use get_raw_binary(i think mapr does that)19:00
elmikothere are some indirect usages19:00
dmitrymeright, I didn’t notice mapr because I’ve searched through juno code19:03
elmikowhat do you think about changing get_raw_data to always return a dictionary?19:03
dmitrymeafter some thinking, my main concern is with API change19:04
elmikoagreed19:04
dmitrymewe’ll have to change semantic of GET /v1.1/{tenant_id}/job-binaries/<job_binary_id>19:04
dmitryme* semantics19:04
dmitrymewhich is not good19:04
elmikoi would think /v1.1/{tenant_id}/job-binaries/<job_binary_id>19:04
elmikooops19:05
dmitrymeyea, that is the same :-)19:05
elmiko/v1.1/{tenant_id}/job-binaries/<job_binary_id>/data as well19:05
elmikoi meant /data19:05
elmikoi think it would be easier to restrict using whole containers.19:06
dmitrymeelmiko: I agree we have to do that for v1.119:06
dmitrymeit would be a good point to change that in v2.019:06
elmikoyea19:06
elmikook, so i'll fix it by rejecting whole containers and only accepting object targets in swift, does that sound good?19:07
dmitrymeyep, sounds absolutely reasonable to me19:08
elmikoawesome, thanks19:08
dmitrymealso IMHO it is worthy to formulate refactor of this v2.0 API. Can you do this? I think I am not in a good shape right now for that :-)19:11
elmikodmitryme: i'd love to get into the v2 api, but probably we should discuss at summit19:11
elmikowe talked about it in atlanta, but it kinda fell off the table19:12
elmikoalso, the api working group is starting to form opinions and i think it would be advantageous to engage with them as we craft the new api19:12
SergeyLukjanovtmckay, crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov, aignatov, dmitryme, elmiko, here is the schedule - http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/sahara#.VE_qnoenBSp19:13
SergeyLukjanovI've added etherpads to each session, so, please, start filling them :)19:14
crobertsrhack.  Thanks19:14
dmitrymeelmiko: in my opinion the point is not to produce v2 right now. It is rather to accumulate experience and changes we want to see in v2. If we hurry, we will produce api which will not be much different from v1.1, but still we will have to support both.19:14
elmikodmitryme: +119:14
dmitrymethat is why I think it is worthy to make notes right now19:14
dmitrymewhile we still remeber the details19:15
elmikoabsolutely19:15
elmikoi'll start something19:15
dmitrymeelmiko: great, thanks19:15
dmitrymeactually, mattf already made a number of blueprints for v2 with some description19:16
elmikoooh, nice19:16
dmitrymehere is the one for v2 API https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara/+spec/v2-api19:16
dmitrymeso you can add your thoughts hare19:17
dmitryme* here19:17
elmikodmitryme: thanks19:18
dmitrymeelmiko: thanks to you as well for bringing this up19:18
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elmikoSergeyLukjanov, _mattf, would it acceptable for me to turn this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara/+spec/v2-api into a spec , to make it easier to ammend?19:25
elmiko*would it be*19:29
SergeyLukjanovelmiko, yup, it need to be turned to the spec19:30
elmikoSergeyLukjanov: ok, i'll start the spec but make sure we mark it as WIP for now19:33
SergeyLukjanovelmiko, ack, thx19:36
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tmckaysorry, computer keeps going to sleep19:50
tmckaydid I miss anything>19:50
tmckay?19:50
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tmckayagain19:51
tmckayhere for good this time19:51
elmikotmckay: did you see that SergeyLukjanov has updated the session descriptions?19:52
elmikohttp://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/sahara#.VE_qnoenBSp19:52
elmikoalso, ehterpads are setup for each session and we should start filling them in19:52
tmckayokay, great, I'll work on it19:53
elmikotmckay: aside from that it was mainly me and dmitryme talking about v2 api19:53
tmckayk, I think I saw most of that19:53
elmikothen, no, you didn't miss anything =)19:53
tmckayI moved the laptop, but the other end of the power cord came undone so it keep entering sleep mode when idle for a little bit19:57
elmikooh man...19:57
tmckayI need to sign up for attendees on a bunch of things20:01
elmikonice, i started filling out my sched over the weekend20:04
elmikoi also uploaded a profile pic, not sure if that was wise20:05
tmckaytellesnobrega, ping20:08
tellesnobregatmckay, pong20:09
tmckayhi!  the storm plugin isn't merged yet?  I just looked in my plugin dir ...20:09
tmckaytellesnobrega, I thought it was already there.  I am working on the EDP design summit notes, any ideas of things to add?  Have you done EDP for storm?20:11
tellesnobregaim still working on making it work properly20:12
tellesnobregahaven't implemented EDP, i'm not sure how it will work with storm and if it will20:12
tellesnobregahopefully i will have a patch in the next days20:12
tellesnobregato review, i know it wont get much attention now, but i will try to submit it20:13
tmckayokay, that's fine.  I was wondering if you had input based on working with the current EDP refactoring20:13
tmckaytellesnobrega, sure, we still did a fair number of reviews in Atlanta I believe20:17
tellesnobregagreat20:17
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SergeyLukjanovtellesnobrega, I think that you could propose the minimal version of storm plugin - like create / delete cluster20:51
SergeyLukjanovtellesnobrega, and the implement other features step by step - scaling, edp20:51
tellesnobregathat is my idea20:57
tellesnobregai have the minimal version almost done20:57
tellesnobregajust need some tunning and testing20:57
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svetmyhi, i'm evaluating sahara for my company and have a few questions: does sahara integrates with mapr-fs? is anyone using sahara in production?21:49
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svetmywas sahara released with Juno?21:50
elmikosvetmy: it emerged from incubation for juno21:51
svetmyelmiko: does it mean it's part of core openstack?21:51
elmikosvetmy: it is fully released if that's what you are asking21:52
elmikoi'm not sure if that qualifies as "core openstack"21:52
svetmyelmiko: thanks, are you aware of any companies supporting sahara i.e. who can run hadoop cluster on sahara and manage it for us?21:53
tmckaysvetmy, there is a mapr plugin in Sahara which is relatively new21:53
tmckayI think it uses mapr-fs21:53
elmikosvetmy: i think mirantis is doing this, maybe ask SergeyLukjanov21:53
SergeyLukjanovsvetmy, Sahara is now an integrated OpenStack project and has been released as part of OpenStack Juno release21:54
tmckayhttps://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-summit-atlanta-2014/session-videos/presentation/the-state-of-openstack-data-processing-sahara-now-and-in-juno21:54
svetmytmckay: thanks, do you have a link? how can i install it?21:54
SergeyLukjanovsvetmy, Mirantis has Sahara as part of Mirantis OpenStack distribution21:55
tmckaySergeyLukjanov, mapr plugin is not in the Juno releases, right?21:55
SergeyLukjanovtmckay, nope, it'll be only in Kilo release21:55
svetmySergey, which hadoop distro do you support?21:56
tmckaysvetmy, RDO should also have Sahara, since it is the Juno release21:56
tmckayhttps://openstack.redhat.com/Quickstart21:56
elmikoRDO does has sahara in the icehouse and juno releases21:56
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tmckaysvetmy, so the only way to play with the mapr plugin currently is from the Sahara source tree.  Very possible, but not in a release21:57
SergeyLukjanovsvetmy, we're not providing support for hadoop itself21:57
svetmyelmiko: not in RDO Icehouse, i have to install it separately21:57
elmikosvetmy: hmm, that's odd21:58
svetmySergey: do you have any customers who run hadoop on openstack in production?21:59
elmikosvetmy: it is in RDO for rhel6/7 and f20, see https://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/openstack/openstack-icehouse/21:59
svetmyelmiko: what i mean is packstack for icehouse answer file does not have option for enabling SAHARA22:02
elmikosvetmy: oh yea, that's correct22:02
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svetmySergeyLukjanov: do you have any customers who run hadoop on openstack in production?22:03
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tmckaybye folks22:13
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svetmywhat choice of hadoop distros do i have in Juno release: HDP and Intel. Is this correct? Are they both stable?22:18
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/sahara: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/13033122:33
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tmckayhmm, does launchpad openid affect IRC?  Really quiet here now23:08
tmckaysomeone has to be awake somewhere23:08

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