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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/386379 | 05:44 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-openstacksdk: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/386380 | 05:44 |
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| exploreshaifali | I am trying to understand service, resource, proxy, session concepts in python-openstack-sdk. Please can someone point to resource to learn about it? Or give me little brief here? | 07:53 |
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| GreenBlood | Is there a debug mode in the Python SDK ? Too see what is sent to the API (like the --debug in CLI) | 11:10 |
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| edleafe | cdent: elmiko: question about the wording in https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/http.html#http-methods | 13:17 |
| cdent | edleafe: shoot | 13:17 |
| edleafe | At the bottom of that section it talks about request bodies and the different methods | 13:17 |
| edleafe | " Because of this, they may not be supported properly by some client frameworks and we would discourage API methods from accepting request bodies for GET, DELETE, TRACE, OPTIONS and HEAD methods." | 13:17 |
| * cdent nods | 13:18 | |
| edleafe | Should we make 'discourage' a bit stronger? | 13:18 |
| elmiko | do we draw the "must not" line in the sand? | 13:19 |
| cdent | that's a 1.5 year old guideline | 13:19 |
| cdent | back then we were very hesitant to must on anything | 13:19 |
| edleafe | cdent: understood | 13:19 |
| cdent | i'm looking at the review now to see if there was conflict: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184358/ | 13:20 |
| edleafe | that's why I'm wondering if it's time to strengthen the language | 13:20 |
| * cdent nods | 13:21 | |
| cdent | so I would think that the table at the top is canonical and uambiguous | 13:21 |
| edleafe | looks like the only conflict was about TRACE | 13:21 |
| cdent | (except that it is wrong about POST :) ) | 13:22 |
| edleafe | cdent: you noticed that, too? | 13:22 |
| * cdent makes bug | 13:22 | |
| edleafe | the CRUD parallel is everywhere | 13:22 |
| cdent | i hate that | 13:23 |
| cdent | but yeah, we can fix it all at some point | 13:24 |
| cdent | I would think that the discourage could become "should not" | 13:24 |
| edleafe | cdent: ok, I had changed that in my upcoming patch | 13:24 |
| edleafe | wanted to run it by you guys first | 13:24 |
| cdent | "must not" is something that we should reserve, because I'm not sure we have the mandate to be wielding it willy nilly | 13:25 |
| cdent | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg/+bug/1633478 | 13:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1633478 in openstack-api-wg "http guideline incorrectly describes post" [Undecided,New] | 13:25 |
| edleafe | cdent: this doesn't sound like a willy nilly situation | 13:26 |
| cdent | btw, edleafe: after a converation with jay late last night I was able to articulate my thoughts on the resource providers stuff a bit more clearly so I stuck them on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385618/ | 13:26 |
| cdent | edleafe: well no, willy nilly is wrong | 13:27 |
| cdent | what I really mean is "I'm not sure we have the mandate to use it at all" | 13:27 |
| cdent | which is unfortunate | 13:27 |
| edleafe | well, let me post the patch and we can discuss on the review | 13:27 |
| cdent | ✔ | 13:27 |
| edleafe | But the guideline is that | 13:28 |
| edleafe | a guidline | 13:28 |
| edleafe | not a law | 13:28 |
| edleafe | So the guideline says "Don't do that!", and if someone reads it, they will be much less likely to do that bad thing | 13:28 |
| edleafe | And if there is a conflict between devs who want to do the bad thing, and those that don't, the stronger "must not" may help influence the outcome | 13:29 |
| cdent | I guess I've seen too many people dismiss the api-wg when it is considered to over reach to not be shy about that | 13:29 |
| cdent | personally I would prefer to be able to say "must not" and "if you don't you're censured" | 13:30 |
| briancurtin | GreenBlood: see http://developer.openstack.org/sdks/python/openstacksdk/users/utils.html | 13:30 |
| cdent | but we don't live there | 13:30 |
| cdent | (which is probably for the best) | 13:30 |
| edleafe | cdent: Would they be more likely to heed the WG if we added "pretty please" all over? | 13:30 |
| edleafe | :) | 13:30 |
| cdent | not then, but maybe "pretty please with a cherry on top" | 13:30 |
| elmiko | i love a world where cdent has censure powers | 13:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/api-wg: Add guidelines for complex queries https://review.openstack.org/386614 | 13:32 |
| edleafe | elmiko: we'd all be in trouble | 13:32 |
| edleafe | ^^ OK, there it is | 13:32 |
| cdent | YDICW | 13:32 |
| elmiko | lol | 13:32 |
| cdent | yay, thanks edleafe | 13:32 |
| elmiko | edleafe++ | 13:32 |
| cdent | elmiko: https://www.flickr.com/photos/psd/3427512496/in/album-72157616469828115/ | 13:38 |
| cdent | (there's a series there, of other people and their pet peeves) | 13:38 |
| elmiko | lol | 13:39 |
| cdent | [t 1EWe] is going on my resume | 13:40 |
| purplerbot | <elmiko> i love a world where cdent has censure powers [2016-10-14 13:32:00] [n 1EWe] | 13:40 |
| elmiko | hahaha! | 13:40 |
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| cdent | edleafe: I like the change from we to you, much more active | 13:46 |
| edleafe | yeah, 'we' sounded too much like wanting to start an argument | 13:46 |
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| SpamapS | o/ | 17:18 |
| SpamapS | So I have a cloud that is misconfigured and handing back the wrong url when openstackclient does version discovery on Neutron.. | 17:18 |
| SpamapS | I'm wondering if there's a way to get openstackclient to pass in the URL and skip version discovery/negotiation | 17:18 |
| SpamapS | Especially since there's only one neutron version anyway, and I've already specified it. :-P | 17:18 |
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| dtroyer | OSC doesn't have a mechanism to override the SC, but that isn't what you need anyway… | 17:21 |
| dtroyer | we pass in the SC via the auth session to openstack.connection.Connection and it handles the discovery, so it'll be something in the SDK | 17:21 |
| dtroyer | but we don't have a way to change the Connection() args anyway | 17:22 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar, mordred, Shrews: https://review.openstack.org/386739 - bump o-c-c to current release so we can clean up a bunch of hacks in osc and osc-lib. I think everyone is happy with this one? | 18:55 |
| dtroyer | then work can continue on the rest of the de-hacking required | 18:55 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: +1ed the requirements bump | 18:58 |
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| mordred | dtroyer: ++ | 19:00 |
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| mordred | dtroyer: related to SpamapS question above - we've got config values for overriding endpoints in o-c-c that can be passed in to the keystoneauth Adapter constructor - I haven't looked to see how hard it would be to plumb into osc and then into sdk, but I could look into that if you think it would be useful | 19:04 |
| dtroyer | I think that problem isn't the wrong value in the SC (which is what I understand o-c-c overrides to affect) but the version negotiation done in the SDK after we've initialized the Connection with the session+SC | 19:05 |
| dtroyer | if I'm wrong about that, then it might work. OSC only passes in the session it gets from KSA | 19:06 |
| mordred | ah - cool | 19:06 |
| dtroyer | if o-c-c can add 'new' engpoints to the SC, with say a new interface name, then maybe it would work by specifying that interface name also | 19:07 |
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| mordred | no - occ doesn't manipulate the SC at all - just provides a mechanism to supply an endpoint-override to KSA so that the KSA Adapater ignores the SC and uses the override | 19:07 |
| mordred | I imagine plumbing in support for that into openstacksdk would be non-trivial - but it seems it's not needed in the short term, so yay! | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | well, if that's in the session/adapter, it may work if we can coerce the SDK to actually use it | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | interface name was the only thing I saw that might be a good selector | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | Is setting these endpoints manually valuable enough to implement all the way through? | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | its a badly configured cloud, so maybe? I did a bunch of work to work around bad Nebula configs :) | 19:10 |
| SpamapS | FYI, my problem is somehow solved by grabbing openstackclient 3.3.0. I was on 2.2.0 | 19:11 |
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| dtroyer | oh, well then! :) | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | now you're actually using KSA, so there | 19:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Corentin Ardeois proposed openstack/js-openstack-lib: Added networkList() method to OpenStack wrapper https://review.openstack.org/382677 | 19:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Corentin Ardeois proposed openstack/js-openstack-lib: Add README https://review.openstack.org/374220 | 19:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dean Troyer proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Fix volume transfers request commands https://review.openstack.org/386770 | 20:32 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: FWIW, that'll let us do the UX study ^^^^^ | 20:32 |
| dtroyer | and include the transfer bits | 20:32 |
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