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openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Add '--no-live' and '--force' option in 'server migrate' https://review.openstack.org/427565 | 06:06 |
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openstackgerrit | Duan Jiong proposed openstack/python-openstacksdk master: fix typo https://review.openstack.org/459963 | 06:34 |
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openstackgerrit | Rui Chen proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Live migration to choose host automatically https://review.openstack.org/459667 | 06:40 |
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openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: List/show all server migration types https://review.openstack.org/450119 | 07:17 |
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openstackgerrit | Carlos Goncalves proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Add 'data_plane_status' option to Port classes https://review.openstack.org/458626 | 08:31 |
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openstackgerrit | Rui Chen proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: WIP: Rework server migrate to support cold and live https://review.openstack.org/460059 | 10:58 |
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openstackgerrit | Brian Curtin proposed openstack/python-openstacksdk master: Correct Network ports docstring for query parameters https://review.openstack.org/459963 | 11:56 |
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openstackgerrit | Brian Curtin proposed openstack/python-openstacksdk master: Correct Network `ports` query parameters https://review.openstack.org/459963 | 12:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-openstacksdk master: Correct Network `ports` query parameters https://review.openstack.org/459963 | 13:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Dean Troyer proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Fix NoneType error for volume snapshot create command https://review.openstack.org/440497 | 16:08 |
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openstackgerrit | Dean Troyer proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Develop api.versions for microversion discovery https://review.openstack.org/451618 | 16:33 |
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mordred | cdent: fwiw, I'd argue that changes to the min_version are a de-facto new major version - but that might be better for a beer discussion in boston | 17:15 |
cdent | there's been a few statements like that at various different times, and one position is that every-single-microversion is in fact a major version | 17:16 |
cdent | and that the reason for being able to tweak min_version is to indicate something more major than major | 17:16 |
cdent | all of which is wordplay | 17:16 |
cdent | but seems to keep at least some contexts happy | 17:16 |
mordred | cdent: yah - I think for me it's different because the major version sets the floor- if you do nothing else, these things will be present. then each microversion is an opt-in change to that base contract that a user can request | 17:25 |
mordred | cdent: so the version discovery process allows a user to select which of the base palettes of API are available that they'd like to work with | 17:26 |
mordred | and then microversions allow for subsequent tweaking of that | 17:26 |
cdent | sure, but if you plan to only ever have one base palette, how's that work? | 17:27 |
mordred | bumping a min is similar to removing a major from the deployment- if you say "I'd like to work with glance v1" and the cloud doesn't have v1, then you know what's going on quickly | 17:27 |
cdent | yes | 17:27 |
mordred | cdent: i'd say if you plan to only ever have one base palette that you should never bump your min | 17:27 |
mordred | since the min is the default palette | 17:27 |
cdent | I agree. Am I supposed to be defending something? ;) | 17:28 |
mordred | but if you do want to e able to bump your min, then the mechanism for doing that is called "release a new major api version" | 17:28 |
cdent | ah, that | 17:28 |
mordred | cdent: I don;t think so -it's entirely possible we're in total agreement | 17:28 |
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cdent | If I were to try to defend/posit something, it would be: dear god stop putting versions in urls, if you need versions, put them in discovery, but preserve urls | 17:29 |
mordred | but it's also possible this is entirely a place where I'm being unreasonable but we'd have more fun discovering that iwth beers :) | 17:29 |
cdent | (even in the face of major versions) | 17:29 |
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mordred | cdent: yah - I'd totallybe on board with that - and with decoupling the two concepts | 17:29 |
cdent | mordred: so I've just changed my boston flights so that I'm not there saturday to the sunday 8 days later, so I should have plenty of time to noodle about these things over beverages of our choice, especially if there is a bull involved | 17:32 |
cdent | s/not/now/ | 17:33 |
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openstackgerrit | Brian Curtin proposed openstack/python-openstacksdk master: Port database v1 to resource2 https://review.openstack.org/460236 | 17:45 |
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openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/api-wg master: Add guidelines on Version Discovery https://review.openstack.org/459710 | 17:49 |
openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/api-wg master: Add document describing consuming discovery https://review.openstack.org/459405 | 17:49 |
mordred | cdent: ^^ I have responded to yours and morgan's comments - which has resulted in the removal of the Versioned document as a recommendation (although it does suggest an amendment to existing ones should they exist) | 17:50 |
mordred | and the result is quite a bit nicer all around I believe (was able to streamline a portion of the consume process too) | 17:50 |
cdent | mordred: awesome, will look again tomorrow morning, assuming the sun rises once more | 17:51 |
mordred | cdent: here's hoping that's a good assumption | 17:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Dean Troyer proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Functional test for subnet_pool https://review.openstack.org/440150 | 17:52 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/460264 | 18:19 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-openstackclient master: SDK refactor: Set "is_admin_state_up" for network agent https://review.openstack.org/427998 | 18:50 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-openstackclient master: Fix NoneType error for volume snapshot create command https://review.openstack.org/440497 | 19:08 |
cdent | mordred: just read your novel and it made me think of what I think is becoming a bit of a candard: why can't we just have a service catalog that is a static cacheable file? | 19:10 |
mordred | cdent: because of data that's different per-user | 19:13 |
mordred | cdent: BUT - that's sort of what this is :) | 19:13 |
cdent | that's essentially my question: if project id and tenant id are not part of urls (because they shouldn't be in the glorious future) what part is per-user? | 19:14 |
cdent | (and not just "what" but "why") | 19:14 |
mordred | cdent: the big use case is rolling out new services to subsets of users | 19:14 |
cdent | yeah, I think it was in vancouver there was some degree of support for "just don't do that, just tell those people about the special thing" | 19:15 |
cdent | but that's probably unrealistic | 19:15 |
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mordred | yah. also, there is stil a chicken-and-egg with putting this info into a nice static cacheable catalog | 19:15 |
mordred | which is hat one of the things that's imposibleto discover is "what auth plugin does my cloud's keystone use" | 19:15 |
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openstackgerrit | Dean Troyer proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Add default-quota to subnet pool commands https://review.openstack.org/437367 | 19:17 |
mordred | cdent: I've got an update though that maybe addresses it a little... | 19:18 |
cdent | mordred: I'm not suggested _all_ of it go in the service catalog | 19:19 |
cdent | just the stuff that is actually about services | 19:19 |
cdent | the post auth stuff | 19:19 |
mordred | yah - I hear you | 19:20 |
openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/api-wg master: WIP Add guideline describing a cloud profile document https://review.openstack.org/459869 | 19:21 |
mordred | cdent: there's some updates that maybe touch on this some? (it's also probably a great topic for beverages) | 19:21 |
cdent | yah, mostly just making conversation at this point because my brain got tickled | 19:22 |
mordred | \o/ | 19:23 |
mordred | it's fun conversation | 19:23 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-openstackclient master: Remove ipdb installation in tox debug section https://review.openstack.org/459180 | 19:29 |
mordred | cdent: it occurs to me from working on these specs, that there are two different type of advice happening (three, really, but one is an outlier so meh) | 19:33 |
mordred | a) this is how a service's API should work and b) these are things a deployer should do so that the service works as expected | 19:34 |
mordred | they're both in service of "this is how the APIs should work when people consume them" - but there's definitely two different audiences | 19:34 |
mordred | now I'm mostly just musing out loud | 19:34 |
openstackgerrit | Brian Curtin proposed openstack/python-openstacksdk master: Port identity v2 to resource2 https://review.openstack.org/460288 | 19:35 |
cdent | they are two different audiences, true, but I think we do ourselves a disservice when we keep that kind of information separated. the context is useful for the other audience | 19:35 |
mordred | totally agree | 19:35 |
mordred | I think one of the great things about the stuff in this repo is that is gives context and intended outcome and isn't just focused on impl details | 19:36 |
mordred | mostly just started musing about ways to leave breadcrumbs to things so that a deployer could consume the things they need to without getting overwhelmed - but maybe that's just making sure the deployer guide is up to date and has pointers - like "do this. for more information, see api-wg document ..." | 19:37 |
openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/460264 | 19:38 |
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cdent | yeah, more intertwingliness would be good | 19:40 |
mordred | a good for instance is that I ran across a public cloud with two regions. each region had a separate auth_url (which is decently normal) - but both regions thought of themselves as "RegionOne" | 19:40 |
mordred | I poked the operator and pointed out how that's confusing for a user - and their response was that nobody had ever given any advice on how to structure regions | 19:41 |
cdent | fair cop | 19:42 |
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mordred | so what they actually had was two compltely independent clouds that happened to share a brand | 19:42 |
mordred | and I'm pretty sure we couldhave served them better :) | 19:42 |
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openstackgerrit | Brian Curtin proposed openstack/python-openstacksdk master: Port image v1 to resource2 https://review.openstack.org/460291 | 19:52 |
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briancurtin | Qiming: what do you think about just removing message v1 instead of porting it to resource2? it was deprecated in 2014, and we have had proper v2 support for quite a while now | 22:07 |
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openstackgerrit | Dean Troyer proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Fix quota functional tests for nova-net https://review.openstack.org/460334 | 22:09 |
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openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/keystoneauth master: WIP: Introduce keystoneauth1.loading.adapter https://review.openstack.org/460337 | 22:46 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-openstackclient master: Functional test for subnet_pool https://review.openstack.org/440150 | 23:23 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-openstackclient master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/460264 | 23:40 |
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openstackgerrit | Dean Troyer proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Fix server create with nova-net https://review.openstack.org/460352 | 23:50 |
openstackgerrit | Dean Troyer proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Fix quota functional tests for nova-net https://review.openstack.org/460334 | 23:52 |
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