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| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/microversion-parse master: Provide a helper method to get headers from environ https://review.openstack.org/495356 | 12:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/microversion-parse master: Import functions from placement https://review.openstack.org/496212 | 12:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/microversion-parse master: Improve Version.matches() method https://review.openstack.org/550251 | 12:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/microversion-parse master: Add MicroversionMiddleware https://review.openstack.org/550252 | 12:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/microversion-parse master: Allow passing a json_error_formatter to the middleware https://review.openstack.org/550263 | 12:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/microversion-parse master: Clean up package version and python version support https://review.openstack.org/550264 | 12:09 |
| cdent | elmiko, edleafe: I'd like to merge that ^ stuff to make a release of microversion parse that has it, but it needs some review and probably a bit of tuneup to dust the cdent-ness off it. | 12:10 |
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| elmiko | cdent: ack, i'll add it to my queue for today | 12:22 |
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| cdent | thanks elmiko | 12:23 |
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| cdent | I probably use %s a lot so you'll love it | 12:23 |
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| edleafe | cdent: Can you refresh my memory about extract_version? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496212/4/microversion_parse/__init__.py@165 | 12:57 |
| edleafe | Where is the 'versions_list' supposed to come from? | 12:57 |
| cdent | see line 58 on this DNM of placement using these changes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/550265/3/nova/api/openstack/placement/deploy.py | 12:58 |
| cdent | in placement as it stands right now the VERSIONS are used directly, but since as a library we wouldn't have access to that global, we have to pass it in somehow | 12:59 |
| edleafe | What is the need to have this check in the library? IOW, why can't the lib return the version, and have the caller do whatever checking it might need? | 13:01 |
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| cdent | It's a) a convenience, b) later the MicroversionMiddleware uses the method and there is no interaction with the caller | 13:04 |
| cdent | later == two patches further in the stack | 13:05 |
| cdent | edleafe: the patches you're looking at so far are what amount to a "middleware construction kit". Most people will not use any of these features if they use the middleware | 13:06 |
| edleafe | got it | 13:06 |
| edleafe | but I am still not clear on what is supposed to be authoritative when it comes to "acceptable versions" | 13:07 |
| edleafe | how do you see this middleware knowing that for a service? | 13:07 |
| cdent | that version_list, which is a thing like: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/placement/microversion.py#L36 | 13:08 |
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| cdent | the DNM think I linked before passes VERSIONS into the middleware | 13:08 |
| edleafe | I saw that; I'm still not clear on the benefit of passing that from the service to the middleware | 13:10 |
| edleafe | With it, every service using the middleware has to implement a versions list and pass it during setup | 13:10 |
| edleafe | Without it, services that care about checking specific versions can do so locally | 13:11 |
| cdent | the job of the middleware is twofold: | 13:12 |
| cdent | extract a version and put it in the environ to be used by the app | 13:12 |
| cdent | to return a 4xx is the microversion is malformed or out of range | 13:12 |
| cdent | in order for it to "out of range" is has to know the range | 13:13 |
| cdent | we want it to do that job, because we want it to fail early | 13:13 |
| cdent | and yes, it does require everyone have a versions list but that strikes me as a good bit of housekeeping (and you also need it for Version.matches() | 13:15 |
| edleafe | Is there a way to say "any version is ok" for those that do not do such housekeeping? | 13:17 |
| cdent | If you don't do that housekeeping you can't do matches() | 13:18 |
| cdent | and you can't do version_handler | 13:18 |
| cdent | so you may as well not use microversion-parse | 13:18 |
| cdent | I guess I'm not understanding how/when you wouldn't want to do the housekeeping? | 13:18 |
| edleafe | *I* would want to do it | 13:19 |
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| edleafe | Just wondering if that is the standard approach | 13:19 |
| edleafe | Thinking about projects that have not yet adopted microversions | 13:19 |
| edleafe | Would this be an attractive feature, or a turn-off | 13:20 |
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| edleafe | Maybe it will encourage good microversion behavior :) | 13:20 |
| cdent | I think the versions_list provides a useful bit of cognitive scaffodling, without it, you aren't really thinking like a microversioner | 13:21 |
| edleafe | I believe the correct term is 'microversioneer' | 13:22 |
| cdent | nova does a similar thing, but instead of a list it uses a min and max, but I think that's limiting | 13:23 |
| cdent | you can't easily disable a microversion in the middle | 13:23 |
| elmiko | cdent: re: %s, i read a really cool blog that actually explained when it would be more efficient to use %s vs. format | 13:25 |
| cdent | string interpolation is a mess. I'm of the "pick one and stick to it" school and my choice appears to be because of when I showed up to the party | 13:27 |
| elmiko | i was kinda shocked to learn about the performance differences | 13:27 |
| elmiko | but i agree, would be cool if they could pick one and stick to it | 13:28 |
| elmiko | "string interpolation choice as a carbon dating of python usage" XD | 13:28 |
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| edleafe | F-strings FTW! | 13:29 |
| edleafe | They would also force people to upgrade to Ptyhon 3.6 | 13:29 |
| edleafe | (and they are faster!) | 13:30 |
| elmiko | ++ | 13:31 |
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| cdent | elmiko: line 45 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/550251/2/microversion_parse/tests/test_extract_version.py | 14:19 |
| elmiko | cdent: ack, i /thought/ that was it but wanted to make sure. thanks! | 14:24 |
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| cdent | thanks elmiko end edleafe, I'll do some of the suggested tidy ups and push a new stack. I'm perfectly happy to have things be less than perfect, we can always fix stuff | 14:44 |
| cdent | released bugs are the gasoline of opensource | 14:44 |
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| edleafe | so... you want to burn it all down? :) | 14:46 |
| cdent | only some of it | 14:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrey Volkov proposed openstack/cliff master: Allow finding command by partial name https://review.openstack.org/552970 | 14:49 |
| elmiko | edleafe: lol | 14:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/api-wg master: Add guideline on exposing microversions in SDKs https://review.openstack.org/532814 | 14:57 |
| dtantsur | updates with the PTG outcome ^^^ | 14:57 |
| cdent | dtantsur++ | 14:57 |
| elmiko | nice | 14:57 |
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| elmiko | cdent: ping | 16:00 |
| cdent | oops | 16:01 |
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| cdent | dtantsur, edleafe, elmiko https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter I started out with some energy and then fizzled out, please proof | 17:11 |
| edleafe | wow, I opened up that link, and I could hear the fizzing! | 17:12 |
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| cdent | you happy with it edleafe ? | 17:17 |
| edleafe | Made two micro-nit corrections, and now LGTM | 17:19 |
| cdent | nice | 17:20 |
| cdent | I'm often confused on project names, because back when docs wrote docs they preferred lowercase project names | 17:20 |
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| elmiko | cdent: sorry got pulled away | 18:01 |
| cdent | no worries | 18:02 |
| elmiko | ooh, i had not noticed that we are cross-posting those to openstack-sigs now as well. i will update my proceedures | 18:08 |
| cdent | i don't always remember | 18:09 |
| cdent | but I think we said at some point that it was maybe a good idea | 18:09 |
| elmiko | yeah, it is a good idea. i had just forgotten we said that | 18:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/microversion-parse master: Provide a helper method to get headers from environ https://review.openstack.org/495356 | 18:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/microversion-parse master: Import functions from placement https://review.openstack.org/496212 | 18:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/microversion-parse master: Improve Version.matches() method https://review.openstack.org/550251 | 18:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/microversion-parse master: Add MicroversionMiddleware https://review.openstack.org/550252 | 18:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/microversion-parse master: Allow passing a json_error_formatter to the middleware https://review.openstack.org/550263 | 18:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/microversion-parse master: Clean up package version and python version support https://review.openstack.org/550264 | 18:25 |
| cdent | elmiko, edleafe ^ I think I got the things you mentioned | 18:25 |
| elmiko | cdent: ack | 18:32 |
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| edleafe | cdent: will look again soon-ish | 18:49 |
| cdent | thanks edleafe, elmiko | 18:50 |
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| edleafe | cdent: Looking over the HTTP Guidelines doc, it looks like it is logically 3 documents: HTTP caching, HTTP response code guidance, and HTTP method guidance | 19:26 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: The regression stemming from one of yesterday's Zuul security fixes has been rectified, and Devstack/Tempest jobs which encountered POST_FAILURE results over the past 24 hours can safely be rechecked now | 19:26 | |
| cdent | yes, breaking things up is probably warranted | 19:26 |
| edleafe | Perhaps breaking it into 3 separate docs would make them more "discoverable" | 19:27 |
| edleafe | due to the more specific titles | 19:27 |
| edleafe | If you like, I can take a crack at it. | 19:27 |
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| elmiko | edleafe: that sounds like a nice idea | 19:30 |
| cdent | edleafe: feel free to go for it if you're feeling motivated | 19:30 |
| cdent | do we want to leave redirects or something? | 19:30 |
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| edleafe | not sure - does sound like a good idea just in case someone has bookmarked the current page | 19:32 |
| cdent | it would be very bad form for the API-SIG to break the web | 19:33 |
| * edleafe tries to remember who it was who wanted to break things more often... | 19:35 | |
| elmiko | cdent: ++ | 19:43 |
| elmiko | lol | 19:43 |
| cdent | edleafe: bah, broken client code is broken client code | 19:45 |
| cdent | and in any case when I say "the web" i mean public document urls. I went to library school after all. | 19:45 |
| elmiko | can we just have the page return 4xx, "we're not the problem, you are!" | 19:45 |
| edleafe | elmiko: "Figure it out yourself!" | 19:46 |
| elmiko | so helpful XD | 19:47 |
| edleafe | "We're not your babysitter!" | 19:47 |
| elmiko | LOL | 19:47 |
| elmiko | best.error.message.ever. | 19:47 |
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| EmilienM | failure is in post | 21:13 |
| EmilienM | (job passed all tests but fail after, I think it's infra related) | 21:13 |
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