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| stephenfin | mordred: Are we collecting things for osc 4.0? Is so, thoughts on converting the likes of 'openstack security group create' to 'openstack security-group create' (with aliases, maybe)? The former feels wrong 'openstack security' isn't a command and I think it was only done because of cliff's use of underscores in entry point names | 06:09 |
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| frickler | stephenfin: mordred: I'd say keep those consistent with "floating ip", "subnet pool" and others. you also most certainly don't want "security-group-rule create" in addition | 08:22 |
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| frickler | if you want to change something in that regard, my vote would be to make "key pair" instead of "keypair", because to me that is inconsistent with all the other variants and always makes me need two attempts to get right | 08:23 |
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| stephenfin | frickler: Oh yeah, I mean anything where the top level command ('openstack floating' would fall into this) doesn't make sense or means something entirely different ('openstack subnet' would fall into this) | 10:16 |
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| dtantsur | stephenfin: I think the idea is to keep it as close to a human language sentence as possible | 10:46 |
| dtantsur | and it's not friendly to users to make them remember where we use dashes and where spaces | 10:46 |
| dtantsur | like, 'security-group create' makes as much sense as security-group-create | 10:46 |
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| stephenfin | dtantsur: I'd think of it in terms of 'openstack [resource] [action]' | 10:58 |
| stephenfin | So 'openstack security-group create' makes far more sense to me. Helps from an autocomplete perspective too | 10:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Houser proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Remove hard-coded "admin" in test_port https://review.openstack.org/650082 | 11:06 |
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| dtantsur | stephenfin: that's more correct technically, but more confusing to those who don't have a clear idea of what openstack resources are | 11:15 |
| stephenfin | fair point | 11:15 |
| stephenfin | Guess this isn't quite the no-brainer I thought it was :) | 11:15 |
| dtantsur | also this simple schema can be quite confusing, e.g. when action has a complex subject, like "server add floating ip" | 11:15 |
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| stephenfin | yeah, nested resources are trickier | 11:16 |
| stephenfin | 'server-floating-ip add' seems icky | 11:16 |
| dtantsur | our schema is not without problems, of course. I still remember TripleO people once ending up with "openstack overcloud scale stack overcloud overcloud" :D | 11:17 |
| * dtantsur tried to sing that sentence as kind of rapping | 11:18 | |
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| mordred | wow. I just woke up to that sentence | 11:25 |
| dtroyer | stephenfin: the multiple work resource names is intentional. 'security group' is the name | 11:27 |
| dtroyer | keypair is unfortuante and I'm all for fixing that one, there are a couple more that I'd like to change too. we already did change ip floating to floating ip moving to 3.0, it isn't hard, and aliases are easy too, just add to setup.cfg whatever you like | 11:28 |
| dtroyer | for a long time I kept the old verb-object format for commands that we started with... | 11:29 |
| dtroyer | dtantsur: that is partyl a result of thinking you have to prefix every resource name, you don't… | 11:30 |
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| cdent | dtroyer: since you're about and in an osc naming frame of mind, your input on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/640898/ would be most appreciated | 11:48 |
| cdent | (see gibi's comment on ps5) | 11:48 |
| mordred | gtema: re: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/649329 - something to think about - in the shade layer we put unknown object properties into a 'properties' property on the main object - largely to make it clear to people that they can't necessarily be depended on as part of the object model (this is a thing glance did in v1 and broke in v2) - now granted, we ALSO would leave them on the main body of the | 12:01 |
| mordred | object so that people could do whatever if stict mode wasn't on | 12:01 |
| mordred | gtema: in looking at that patch, I'm mostly pondering how it'll interact with the goal of being able to eventually get the shade methods to just return Resource objects - whether what you're doing there will make it harder or easier | 12:02 |
| mordred | gtema: I don't have enough coffee in my blood yet to have smart thoughts - mostly wanted to word-vomit at you about that while I try to caffiene myself | 12:03 |
| gtema | yes, it is clear to me this was done in shade/cloud. But we are not able to get "unknown" props for Image service | 12:03 |
| gtema | and that somehow blocks normal switch from direct get/post/delete in the cloud._image services to proxy methods | 12:03 |
| mordred | yeah. oh - I totally understand the motivation of the patch - I think I'm saying - I'm not sure we should put them on the object itself vs. making a magical properties attribute | 12:04 |
| mordred | we should ABSOLUTELY expose the unknown stuff | 12:04 |
| gtema | do you want to say that everything unknown should go dynamically under properties? | 12:05 |
| mordred | MAYBE? I think I need more coffee :) | 12:06 |
| mordred | I like your add_attribute thing too ... it actually makes me think it wouldn't be completely insane to fetch the jsonschema objects glance publishes and use that metadata somehow | 12:06 |
| gtema | maybe, I just got my second one and that should be it for today, otherwise I will create some crazy patches | 12:06 |
| * mordred connects coffee IV to gtema and stands back to watch | 12:06 | |
| gtema | as far as I remember there were also some issues with setting "sdk" shaXXX properties in the image uploads and objects | 12:07 |
| gtema | do not joke with me and coffee - it might end bad | 12:07 |
| gtema | it's affects me like a drug | 12:08 |
| gtema | really :D | 12:08 |
| mordred | ah. then yes - please to only have the second cup :) | 12:08 |
| gtema | so I was not somehow able to switch all of the _image and _object methods to use proxy due to those "dynamic" things | 12:09 |
| gtema | you might have fixed _object however | 12:09 |
| gtema | yeah - _SHADE_IMAGE_OBJECT_KEY | 12:11 |
| gtema | this was one of the problem s | 12:11 |
| gtema | so basically glance accepts anything and we need to be able to set this "anything" in Resource | 12:12 |
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| mordred | yeah | 12:16 |
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| dtroyer | cdent: looking… at a glance, the way OSC typically sorts these things is to start with the object being manipulated, that is the name that appears first in the command followed by a verb and then the rest of the options. I'll need to tap into mordred's coffee IV and digest that in detail to get a sense of what I would have done... | 12:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Houser proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Remove hard-coded "admin" in test_port https://review.openstack.org/650082 | 13:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Houser proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Remove hard-coded "admin" in test_port https://review.openstack.org/650082 | 13:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Houser proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Remove hard-coded "admin" in test_port https://review.openstack.org/650082 | 13:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstacksdk master: Expand on a brief error message https://review.openstack.org/650161 | 13:30 |
| dtroyer | cdent: ok, there, I stuck my nose in y'alls business… https://review.openstack.org/#/c/640898/5 | 13:30 |
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| cdent | thanks dtroyer. I'm attempting to decode what you've written. Should have it once my post lunch fuzz has waned. | 13:34 |
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| dtroyer | cdent: hey, you found my gabbi experiment :) since I am working against a running devstack I think I need to actually get a token with SDK to set up for the test to include, right? anyway, that's where I am right now…I'll try one more thing then push it up to show you where I've wandered | 14:58 |
| cdent | yeah, if you're running like you need a token | 14:59 |
| cdent | you might be able to clean some magic from my gabbi-tempest plugin (which is on git.o.o) | 14:59 |
| cdent | s/like/live/ | 14:59 |
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| cdent | s/clean/glean/ | 15:00 |
| dtroyer | cool, I had not studied that yet | 15:00 |
| cdent | apparently I have not recovered from post-lunch fuzz at all | 15:00 |
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| dtroyer | is my agregate working to opaque? I may have still been in that sort of shape myself when I wrote it | 15:00 |
| dtroyer | s/working/wording/ | 15:00 |
| cdent | I gave you my disease! | 15:01 |
| cdent | huzzah | 15:01 |
| cdent | I think mel was able to grok it properly, and likes it, so gtg | 15:01 |
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| dtroyer | yeah, she seems to have deciphered it. | 15:02 |
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| cdent | dtroyer: Instead of post-lunch fuzz, I'm going with "this is a day where I need my reading glasses" | 15:25 |
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| JeremyHouser | Quick question: are there any current known bugs related to openstack quotas in python-openstackclient? | 17:44 |
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