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| bdpayne | elmiko and sicarie Now still work for you guys? | 21:01 |
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| * sicarie tips hat | 21:01 | |
| sicarie | yep | 21:01 |
| elmiko | works for me =) | 21:01 |
| bdpayne | ok cool | 21:01 |
| bdpayne | so... hi :-) | 21:01 |
| elmiko | hi | 21:01 |
| sicarie | Hello! | 21:01 |
| bdpayne | so perhaps we should start by chatting a little about what you guys are currently working on wrt the book | 21:01 |
| elmiko | cool | 21:02 |
| bdpayne | elmiko you want to start? | 21:02 |
| elmiko | sure | 21:02 |
| elmiko | i'm working on putting together a chapter for the book on the Data Processing service | 21:02 |
| elmiko | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-security-guide-notes | 21:02 |
| elmiko | is where i'm collecting ideas and some draft text | 21:02 |
| elmiko | i'm really hoping to get this in during the Kilo cycle | 21:03 |
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| elmiko | i also work on the sahara team, so i've got all that stuff going on too =) | 21:03 |
| bdpayne | keeping busy is important :-) | 21:03 |
| bdpayne | elmiko, I know I gave you lots to think about in that etherpad... did it all make sense? | 21:04 |
| elmiko | bdpayne: yes, it was a great help. i went back and tried to refine the intro text based on your comments. | 21:04 |
| elmiko | i'm a little worried about getting too detailed in the wrong places | 21:04 |
| bdpayne | it is a challenge | 21:05 |
| bdpayne | and a bit or an art | 21:05 |
| elmiko | i'm also meeting with some of the sahara team next week to discuss this at greater length | 21:05 |
| bdpayne | if you don't have enough detail, people's eyes glaze over | 21:05 |
| elmiko | ain't that the truth lol | 21:05 |
| bdpayne | but too much, and your writing it out of date next week | 21:05 |
| bdpayne | and you also lose readers in the "weeds" | 21:06 |
| bdpayne | we have found that using running examples works pretty well in this book | 21:06 |
| elmiko | i do wonder what the default assumptions for our readers will be, as i'd like to not recover material they already understand | 21:06 |
| bdpayne | that's a good question | 21:06 |
| elmiko | re: examples, yea i'm trying to create opportunities for little examples sprinkled throughout | 21:07 |
| bdpayne | generally we are assuming cloud admin types that know openstack but that don't know much about securty | 21:07 |
| elmiko | ok | 21:07 |
| elmiko | you had some questions about whether things were in the cloud or not, and i was a little confused about how in-depth i should get when describing something like the controller node | 21:07 |
| bdpayne | yeah | 21:08 |
| bdpayne | I'd suggest just calling out places where you are saying something that may be deployment specific | 21:08 |
| elmiko | that makes sense | 21:08 |
| bdpayne | but those kinds of details are probably a good thing | 21:08 |
| bdpayne | ok, great | 21:09 |
| bdpayne | so sicarie, could you share a little about what you're doing with the book these days? | 21:09 |
| sicarie | Sure | 21:09 |
| sicarie | I started doing general editing and bug filing | 21:09 |
| sicarie | Figured that would get me familiar with the contents to be able to better look at the big picture later | 21:10 |
| sicarie | I'm reviewing the document conventions now as there are things that always bugged me that I'm not sure if they're 'allowed' or not | 21:10 |
| sicarie | or good style | 21:10 |
| bdpayne | ok | 21:10 |
| bdpayne | on that point... we use the ibm style guide for a lot of those decisions | 21:10 |
| sicarie | Filed a few bugs, I think I'm up through ch4 now | 21:10 |
| sicarie | Right | 21:10 |
| bdpayne | I have a copy of that guide | 21:10 |
| sicarie | I'm looking at this: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Conventions | 21:11 |
| elmiko | bdpayne: is it available online? | 21:11 |
| bdpayne | so if you guys ever have questions, just shoot them my way | 21:11 |
| bdpayne | yeah, that's a good resource as well | 21:11 |
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| bdpayne | unfortuately not, the IBM style guide is purchase only | 21:11 |
| bdpayne | but you can get it for kindle, for example | 21:11 |
| elmiko | ok, cool | 21:11 |
| elmiko | maybe we have one available internally | 21:11 |
| bdpayne | in general, the link about should be your first resource | 21:12 |
| sicarie | Yeah, so I'm curious about uses of 2nd/3rd person | 21:12 |
| sicarie | Lots of you and we | 21:12 |
| bdpayne | if it isn't answered in there, then check the IBM guide | 21:12 |
| elmiko | sicarie: good question | 21:12 |
| bdpayne | I think that's ok | 21:12 |
| bdpayne | the problem is that if you don't do that... then it gets hard to read | 21:12 |
| sicarie | Yeah | 21:13 |
| bdpayne | and starts to sound more like an academic paper | 21:13 |
| elmiko | i've been following the "we" pattern a bunch | 21:13 |
| elmiko | especially as i try to write recommendations | 21:13 |
| bdpayne | we recommend blah... ? | 21:13 |
| elmiko | yea | 21:13 |
| bdpayne | yeah, I think that's nice | 21:13 |
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| elmiko | i thought so too, and i agree it makes the doc easier to digest | 21:14 |
| bdpayne | ok so thanks sicarie | 21:14 |
| sicarie | np | 21:14 |
| bdpayne | so sicarie has been doing a pass on the existing book | 21:14 |
| bdpayne | and elmiko is working on adding a new chapter | 21:14 |
| bdpayne | so you guys are both bringing different background to the table | 21:15 |
| bdpayne | which is part of the reason that I thought it would be great to have you both involved | 21:15 |
| elmiko | cool | 21:15 |
| bdpayne | please lean on your personal experiences there to help us make this better for all | 21:15 |
| bdpayne | I have a few thoughts on next steps for us | 21:15 |
| bdpayne | but first wanted to see if you guys had any pressing ideas on what we need to be doing | 21:15 |
| elmiko | i think getting the terminology in-line with the official terms would be nice | 21:16 |
| elmiko | e.g. many uses of tenant | 21:16 |
| sicarie | +1 | 21:16 |
| bdpayne | indeed | 21:16 |
| bdpayne | so we should probably file tickets for those items as we find them | 21:16 |
| elmiko | should we file them by chapter or section? | 21:17 |
| bdpayne | if you don't know, you can easily file a ticket by clicking on the bug on the webpage version of the doc | 21:17 |
| elmiko | ooh, that's nice | 21:17 |
| bdpayne | whatever works... chapter, section, etc | 21:17 |
| elmiko | k | 21:17 |
| bdpayne | step 1 is to create the tickets for the work we need to do | 21:17 |
| bdpayne | step 2 is to actually triage those tickets | 21:17 |
| sicarie | Yeah, I've been doing them individually to allow for new contributors to come up and snag a simple commit | 21:18 |
| paulmo | 3) Profit! :) | 21:18 |
| elmiko | lol | 21:18 |
| bdpayne | I'm thinking that we should use this meeting (in future weeks) to do some ticket triage | 21:18 |
| elmiko | sicarie: +1 | 21:18 |
| bdpayne | who is this paulmo guy? ;-) | 21:18 |
| paulmo | Where is he!?!? | 21:18 |
| elmiko | bdpayne: sounds good to me | 21:18 |
| bdpayne | heh | 21:18 |
| bdpayne | yeah, small scoped tickets is nice | 21:18 |
| bdpayne | people do tend to pick them up | 21:19 |
| bdpayne | which is both great and surprising | 21:19 |
| bdpayne | so I think that (1) and (2) are really the bread and butter | 21:19 |
| bdpayne | perhaps we should get good at those first | 21:19 |
| bdpayne | and then we, in future weeks, we can explore creating larger milestones / tasks for the group | 21:20 |
| elmiko | ok, i can put some time aside to create some tickets this week. i'll probably focus on terminology to start with. | 21:20 |
| bdpayne | sounds great | 21:20 |
| bdpayne | anything else for today? | 21:21 |
| elmiko | nothing from me | 21:21 |
| bdpayne | next week we can pick up with ticket triage and see where that takes us | 21:21 |
| sicarie | nothing from me either | 21:21 |
| elmiko | sounds like a plan =) | 21:21 |
| bdpayne | ok, so thanks to both of you for helping out with this | 21:21 |
| sicarie | Thanks bdpayne! | 21:21 |
| elmiko | yea, thanks for organizing | 21:21 |
| bdpayne | go team! | 21:21 |
| bdpayne | np, cya later | 21:21 |
| elmiko | take care | 21:21 |
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| elmiko | sicarie: side note | 21:22 |
| elmiko | sicarie: i replied to a bug you picked up in barbican about the bit_length stuff | 21:22 |
| sicarie | Oh, cool | 21:22 |
| elmiko | i started looking at it and found a bunch of stuff, so i tried to capture it in my reply | 21:22 |
| sicarie | Thanks! | 21:22 |
| elmiko | hopefully it'll help =) | 21:22 |
| sicarie | vI was off trying to set up a barbican vm so I can actually test my fix | 21:23 |
| sicarie | before submitting | 21:23 |
| elmiko | nice | 21:23 |
| sicarie | So yeah, greatly appreciated elmiko | 21:23 |
| elmiko | no prob, you beat me to the punch! | 21:23 |
| sicarie | Sorry - I'd been trolling launchpad for a few months looking for a good 'starter' bug to get me moving | 21:24 |
| elmiko | nah, no apologies necessary. i had been doing a little bit of the same =) | 21:25 |
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