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| elmiko | hey folks | 21:00 |
| sicarie | Hello! | 21:00 |
| sicarie | elmiko: thanks for the notes on the bug - I'm still working on getting barbican set up | 21:03 |
| elmiko | sicarie: no worries, hope it was helpful | 21:04 |
| bdpayne | hey there | 21:04 |
| elmiko | hey bdpayne | 21:04 |
| sicarie | There are some interesting quirks with devstack on a cloud instance | 21:04 |
| bdpayne | I like to arrive fashionably late ;-) | 21:04 |
| sicarie | hello! | 21:04 |
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| elmiko | sicarie: fyi i was able to run barbican without needing a devstack behind it | 21:04 |
| sicarie | elmiko: what's your setup? | 21:05 |
| sicarie | bdpayne: sorry for derailing the convo before it even got started | 21:05 |
| bdpayne | you guys ready to get started? | 21:05 |
| bdpayne | heh, np | 21:05 |
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| sicarie | yes | 21:05 |
| elmiko | sicarie: i just ran the barbican.sh install on a virtualenv and it started the server after everything was complete. i setup a mysql backend for it with a db, that was about it. | 21:05 |
| bdpayne | So, as discussed last week, I think it would be useful to walk through the open bugs | 21:06 |
| bdpayne | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs?field.tag=sec-guide | 21:06 |
| sicarie | awesome, thanks! | 21:06 |
| elmiko | bdpayne: sounds good | 21:06 |
| bdpayne | they have all be triaged | 21:06 |
| bdpayne | usually by the doc team | 21:06 |
| elmiko | i started to look at the usage of the word "tenant" in the docs, i think it's pretty nuanced though. more reading required. | 21:06 |
| sicarie | bdpayne: great, this will cover one of my questions | 21:06 |
| bdpayne | it would be useful for us to decide if we agree with the priority on each one | 21:06 |
| sicarie | I opened a bug for updating some links, I opened two individual ones before I realized the entire chapter had the same base link that was out of date | 21:07 |
| bdpayne | so let's look for (1) priority ok, and (2) is the bug valid | 21:07 |
| bdpayne | oh, hehe | 21:07 |
| bdpayne | so that sounds like another bug | 21:07 |
| bdpayne | did you file that? | 21:07 |
| bdpayne | (out of date link) | 21:08 |
| sicarie | Then I opened a third that covered the chapter | 21:08 |
| sicarie | Yes | 21:08 |
| bdpayne | kk | 21:08 |
| bdpayne | so let's get started from the top of that list | 21:08 |
| bdpayne | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1343571 | 21:08 |
| bdpayne | I think it would be good to remove SSL altogether | 21:08 |
| bdpayne | what do you guys think? | 21:08 |
| sicarie | I agree | 21:08 |
| elmiko | that makes sense | 21:09 |
| bdpayne | Ok, I just commented to that effect | 21:09 |
| bdpayne | also, I'd call this a medium prio | 21:09 |
| elmiko | what would constitute a high prio, blatantly wrong info? | 21:10 |
| sicarie | yeah, there's a note somewhere in there to the effect of "this doc uses SSL to refer to SSL/TLS" | 21:10 |
| bdpayne | fair question | 21:10 |
| bdpayne | so they list it as | 21:10 |
| bdpayne | Critical: fix now | 21:10 |
| bdpayne | High: fix soon | 21:10 |
| bdpayne | Medium: fix when you can | 21:10 |
| bdpayne | Low: fix when convienient | 21:11 |
| bdpayne | Wishlist: not a but, perhaps a new feature | 21:11 |
| bdpayne | so, yeah, I would put High or Critical on wrong information, misleading information, etc | 21:11 |
| bdpayne | but we could certainly use High for the things that we think or more important to address in the near term | 21:12 |
| bdpayne | given all of that, how do you guys feel about the priotity here? | 21:12 |
| * bdpayne is viewing this as a calibration exercise | 21:12 | |
| sicarie | The secure communication chapter is almost all TLS | 21:12 |
| sicarie | However, I have noticed many uses of SSL throughout | 21:13 |
| elmiko | i think medium at the least, we probably should remove the references to SSL unless specifically talking about it | 21:13 |
| bdpayne | yeah | 21:13 |
| sicarie | So assuming they're reading the entire guide, they'll understand that it's TLS | 21:13 |
| bdpayne | I would guess that most people read snippets | 21:13 |
| sicarie | Right - which is why I'd personally say 'High" | 21:13 |
| bdpayne | fair | 21:13 |
| bdpayne | so let's leave it at High then | 21:14 |
| elmiko | i can see the argument for high as well | 21:14 |
| bdpayne | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1329606 | 21:14 |
| bdpayne | I would argue that this should be High too | 21:14 |
| bdpayne | not knowing this / doing this can lead to bad things | 21:14 |
| sicarie | I would agree, however I'd also like to know where this fits in the current security guide | 21:15 |
| bdpayne | We should probably have a cinder chapter | 21:15 |
| bdpayne | start short, and this is a good place to start | 21:15 |
| elmiko | yea, looking at the linked email this seems pretty important | 21:15 |
| sicarie | The storage chapter is titled 'object storage' and is focused on that | 21:15 |
| bdpayne | you guys ok adding a block storage chapter? | 21:16 |
| elmiko | sounds good to me | 21:16 |
| sicarie | Should we add block storage, or put it under a 'storage' heading? | 21:16 |
| elmiko | i think it's better to structure chapters around the various services when applicable | 21:17 |
| bdpayne | We have chapters for the other major pieces | 21:17 |
| bdpayne | Identity Dashboard, etc | 21:17 |
| bdpayne | I think that Block Storage makes sense as a stand alone | 21:17 |
| sicarie | Yep, and I was going to ask if that's sustainable with the upcoming 'tagging' system | 21:17 |
| bdpayne | probably just missed b/c the original effort didn't have a cinder person at it | 21:17 |
| bdpayne | so that's a good point (Re tagging system) | 21:18 |
| sicarie | (I'm completely in agreement, just want to put the idea out there) | 21:18 |
| bdpayne | I think that certain projects (with a certain tag) will get mentioned up front in the guide (Ch 6-10 ish) | 21:18 |
| sicarie | It's not coming in yet, and we do have time before other projects grow to be widely adopted (and therefore need security and uncover features), but we should keep it in mind | 21:18 |
| bdpayne | And other projects (rest of the tags) could be added towards the end of the guide | 21:18 |
| sicarie | blech, not need security, but need security guide coverage | 21:18 |
| bdpayne | This would include, for example, the work that elmiko is doing | 21:18 |
| sicarie | sounds good to me | 21:19 |
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| elmiko | even with the tagging effort we will still have projects the are described as the <insert type> service for openstack | 21:19 |
| elmiko | seems appropriate to stay on that track | 21:19 |
| bdpayne | yeah | 21:20 |
| bdpayne | ok https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1334009 | 21:20 |
| elmiko | so, did you mean SSL or TLS ;) | 21:20 |
| bdpayne | heh | 21:21 |
| bdpayne | so yeah, TLS | 21:21 |
| bdpayne | I think this is a solid Medium | 21:21 |
| sicarie | agreed | 21:21 |
| elmiko | agreed | 21:21 |
| bdpayne | should probably find out if Priti is planning on doing this | 21:21 |
| bdpayne | I'll put a comment in there asking | 21:21 |
| sicarie | I grep'd the code a little while back and there are a few cases where SSL v2/v3 is hard coded, but if I remember correctly that's if the delegation to apache/nginx fails | 21:21 |
| bdpayne | so there's an argument for taking TLS straight into the Python process | 21:22 |
| bdpayne | but I don't think that many people deploy it that way in practice | 21:22 |
| bdpayne | even without that, there's lots of options | 21:23 |
| sicarie | Yep | 21:23 |
| bdpayne | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1341826 | 21:23 |
| bdpayne | perhaps a Low? | 21:23 |
| bdpayne | also, sicarie do you know if Mike Lange is still engaged in this effort? | 21:24 |
| elmiko | seems like a solid addition to the guide, but nothing burning | 21:24 |
| sicarie | bdpayne i'll ask him now | 21:24 |
| bdpayne | elmiko agreed | 21:24 |
| bdpayne | kk | 21:24 |
| bdpayne | yeah, I'm at Low/Medium for this | 21:24 |
| bdpayne | I could be happy leaving it | 21:25 |
| bdpayne | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1341827 | 21:25 |
| sicarie | Personally I like Low, but can see Medium | 21:25 |
| bdpayne | ^^ this another audit / compliance one from Mike Lange | 21:25 |
| sicarie | Two of them | 21:26 |
| elmiko | i think it depends on if Mike Lange is still working on it | 21:26 |
| sicarie | I know if MIke's not still working it that Shellee probably would | 21:26 |
| elmiko | because it seems like he has some ideas about what content should be in there | 21:26 |
| elmiko | ok, cool | 21:26 |
| bdpayne | let's leave these at Medium b/c beefing up the audit / compliance section would be nice | 21:26 |
| bdpayne | I'll unassign from Mike and see if someone else can pick it up | 21:26 |
| bdpayne | sound good? | 21:27 |
| sicarie | Yep | 21:27 |
| elmiko | sure | 21:27 |
| sicarie | I ping'd him about it, if he wants it he can pick it back up | 21:27 |
| elmiko | i wonder if these shouldn't be wishlist items though, as we're talking about new content? | 21:27 |
| bdpayne | ok | 21:27 |
| bdpayne | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1341843 | 21:27 |
| bdpayne | (this can be our last one for today) | 21:27 |
| sicarie | That's why I was a fan of Low - there is a compliance chapter in there now, and that's very good to have but he definitely envisioned more | 21:28 |
| bdpayne | agreed that the reference sentence is bad | 21:28 |
| bdpayne | guessing I wrote it ;-) | 21:28 |
| elmiko | seems like a solid medium | 21:28 |
| bdpayne | I think I'd consider bumping this to high for clarity | 21:28 |
| sicarie | Haha, is the section still in the same place? | 21:29 |
| * elmiko looks at guide | 21:29 | |
| * bdpayne checks | 21:29 | |
| bdpayne | nope | 21:29 |
| sicarie | If I remember correctly this was reported before the rearranging | 21:29 |
| sicarie | She just took a bunch of the bugs I reported on the first few chapters, so I know she's planning on ramping up her contributions again | 21:29 |
| elmiko | yea, that para does need some cleanup badly | 21:29 |
| sicarie | So noting where the section lies now would probably help | 21:30 |
| bdpayne | I just put a link to the new location for that in the ticket | 21:30 |
| sicarie | Thanks | 21:30 |
| bdpayne | Ok, I'll leave this as is for Shellee to work on | 21:30 |
| bdpayne | would be great to see more contributions from her again | 21:30 |
| elmiko | yea, need to update the bug title too since it's not chap13 anymore | 21:30 |
| sicarie | I have ping'd her | 21:30 |
| bdpayne | ah yeah, can you do that real quick elmiko? | 21:30 |
| elmiko | sure | 21:31 |
| bdpayne | I'm checking one more thing before we break here | 21:31 |
| sicarie | I have a few questions if you have time | 21:31 |
| bdpayne | Ok, I was just checking the open reviews | 21:31 |
| bdpayne | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149024/ | 21:31 |
| bdpayne | that's the only one | 21:32 |
| bdpayne | and sicarie has already commented on it | 21:32 |
| bdpayne | I'll review it after this | 21:32 |
| bdpayne | sicarie, I'm happy to chat a little longer | 21:32 |
| bdpayne | but first | 21:32 |
| bdpayne | I think this is a good start on the triage | 21:32 |
| bdpayne | you guys like the idea of doing a bit of this each week? | 21:32 |
| sicarie | Yeah, I'm for it | 21:33 |
| elmiko | i think it's good | 21:33 |
| bdpayne | it's a little tedious, but feels useful to me | 21:33 |
| bdpayne | ok great | 21:33 |
| elmiko | definitely | 21:33 |
| bdpayne | we'll work our way through them | 21:33 |
| elmiko | the api wg has been doing something similar | 21:33 |
| bdpayne | so I think that's it for today (formally) | 21:33 |
| bdpayne | I'll stick around for other discussion | 21:33 |
| elmiko | i'm still working through the data processing chapter | 21:34 |
| bdpayne | ok great | 21:34 |
| elmiko | i'm meeting with some sahara folks tomorrow for a mini-review of what i have so far | 21:34 |
| sicarie | bdpayne: it looks like lana took all of those link bugs I was talking about | 21:34 |
| sicarie | the over-arching one is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1412986 | 21:34 |
| elmiko | unfortunately i'm finding it difficult to make rapid progress, its tough for me to lock down the language and ideas we should convey | 21:34 |
| bdpayne | elmiko just get the ideas down... I'm a reasonably good editor and can help on that end of things if you'd like | 21:35 |
| sicarie | elmiko: +1 it always seems to easy to transfer the conceptualization of what you know | 21:35 |
| sicarie | and then you have to sit down and write it out | 21:35 |
| elmiko | sicarie: yea, that seems like it should be high prio | 21:35 |
| bdpayne | just pretend like you are writing an email to me about the topic | 21:35 |
| elmiko | bdpayne: ack, thanks | 21:36 |
| bdpayne | np | 21:36 |
| bdpayne | so on this links ticket | 21:36 |
| bdpayne | I think we should point to the top level and not have the version in our book | 21:36 |
| elmiko | +1 | 21:36 |
| bdpayne | I don't want to update the book every time Django does a release ;-) | 21:36 |
| elmiko | less fragile that way | 21:36 |
| sicarie | +1 | 21:36 |
| sicarie | So the other question I had was around this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1410905 | 21:37 |
| sicarie | I put a bug around the wrong sentence | 21:37 |
| sicarie | The section title and the first sentence have it the other way | 21:37 |
| elmiko | funny, i just looked up life-cycle in the dictionary the other day | 21:38 |
| elmiko | both are apparently appropriate | 21:38 |
| bdpayne | ah, let me double check the style guide on this one | 21:38 |
| sicarie | Lana posted it's without hyphen | 21:38 |
| bdpayne | ok, that is not exactly correct | 21:38 |
| bdpayne | (noun) life cycle | 21:39 |
| sicarie | it's like back-end again, isn't it? | 21:39 |
| bdpayne | (adj) life-cycle | 21:39 |
| elmiko | lol, yea | 21:39 |
| sicarie | Okay, so I'll review the placement and part of speech on those | 21:40 |
| bdpayne | ok | 21:40 |
| bdpayne | I just commented in the ticket too | 21:40 |
| sicarie | Yeah, I haven't heard anything back, and i would imagine those managing the docs queue are a little busy, so I wasn't sure if I should open another ticket or not | 21:40 |
| bdpayne | no worries, it's nice when we can sort this stuff ourselves | 21:41 |
| sicarie | Yep | 21:41 |
| bdpayne | pinging openstack-doc is often effective too | 21:41 |
| bdpayne | anything else? | 21:41 |
| sicarie | Is the goal to have case studies for each chapter? | 21:42 |
| sicarie | There's a case study that is its own chapter (10 or 11, I forget exactly) | 21:42 |
| sicarie | that "covers" the 3 before it | 21:42 |
| bdpayne | mostly, but some may cover multiple chapters | 21:42 |
| bdpayne | actually Ch 10 looks like it needs to be moved | 21:43 |
| elmiko | i'm finding thinking about the case studies to be helping direct my focus | 21:43 |
| sicarie | Yeah, but I think I was set to "opinion" on that bug too | 21:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Lana Brindley proposed openstack/security-doc: Some minor bug fixes in the Dashboard chapter https://review.openstack.org/149056 | 21:43 |
| bdpayne | oh hey | 21:43 |
| bdpayne | that's the thing we were just talking about | 21:44 |
| sicarie | Yep | 21:44 |
| bdpayne | I'll comment on the CR shortly | 21:44 |
| bdpayne | ok, looks like I need to run | 21:44 |
| bdpayne | thanks guys! | 21:45 |
| elmiko | thanks bdpayne | 21:45 |
| sicarie | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1410905 | 21:45 |
| sicarie | ok thanks! | 21:45 |
| sicarie | sorry for the late ping, but dbpayne the ch10 bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1412968 | 21:46 |
| sicarie | bdpayne too ^ | 21:46 |
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