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| sicarie | elmiko: are you around? | 17:00 |
| elmiko | sicarie: yup =) | 17:00 |
| sicarie | Cool, priti is not going to be able to make it this week | 17:00 |
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| sicarie | Ah, and we get bdpayne for at least one more meeting! | 17:00 |
| elmiko | ok | 17:00 |
| sicarie | So taking a look at the bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs?field.tag=sec-guide | 17:01 |
| bdpayne | hey there :-) | 17:01 |
| sicarie | welcome! | 17:01 |
| elmiko | hi | 17:01 |
| sicarie | There are two bugs to triage | 17:01 |
| sicarie | The first is interesting: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1432796 | 17:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1432796 in openstack-manuals "Validate Checklists - Should cover entire chapter" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Priti Desai (priti-desai) | 17:02 |
| sicarie | There is some overlap (as mentioned in the comments) with the other checklist bug | 17:02 |
| * bdpayne doesn't see any comments | 17:03 | |
| sicarie | Sorry, description | 17:03 |
| bdpayne | ah | 17:03 |
| sicarie | The description mentions: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1342993 | 17:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1342993 in openstack-manuals "Adding Security Checklist in Security Guide" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Priti Desai (priti-desai) | 17:03 |
| bdpayne | so, it may make sense to have a review like this for each chapter? | 17:03 |
| sicarie | Yep | 17:03 |
| bdpayne | perhaps different bugs? | 17:03 |
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| sicarie | And it looks like Priti is using 1342993 to track it - the submissions are “partial-bug” in the commit message | 17:04 |
| browne | tmcpeak: so is Bandit getting pushed to PyPi this week? | 17:04 |
| elmiko | is this bug (1432796) about making sure that the checklists are in the specified format? | 17:04 |
| sicarie | I think so, but if so I think that would be handled in 1342993 | 17:04 |
| sicarie | As we have one in-flight, and the others are yet to be created | 17:04 |
| elmiko | yea | 17:05 |
| bdpayne | btw, can either of you actually mark these bugs as triaged? | 17:05 |
| sicarie | So personally, I’d set this to wishlist until I can circle back with Priti and see what she meant here | 17:05 |
| bdpayne | sicarie makes sense to me | 17:05 |
| elmiko | i'm ok with that, or maybe incomplete is more accurate | 17:05 |
| sicarie | elmiko: yes, that’s probably better | 17:05 |
| sicarie | bdpayne: I cannot - nor can I change the importance | 17:06 |
| elmiko | sicarie: i can change it | 17:06 |
| bdpayne | ok, we should try to fix that this week :-) | 17:06 |
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| bdpayne | elmiko so you can mark it as triaged / incomplete? | 17:07 |
| bdpayne | give it a shot now | 17:07 |
| sicarie | elmiko: great! Do you want to go ahead and set it for now? I’m adding my comment now | 17:07 |
| elmiko | done | 17:07 |
| elmiko | great, was gonna say we need a comment ;) | 17:07 |
| bdpayne | elmiko can you set the importance too? | 17:07 |
| elmiko | bdpayne: no | 17:07 |
| bdpayne | ok, I've set that | 17:08 |
| bdpayne | I'll see if we can get that sorted here in the next day or two | 17:08 |
| elmiko | hehe, patchwork ACLs | 17:08 |
| sicarie | haha | 17:08 |
| sicarie | So the second is an extension of the checklists again: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1432803 | 17:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1432803 in openstack-manuals "Add checklists in Appendix" [Undecided,New] | 17:09 |
| sicarie | I think this is a pretty good idea - especially if we can get the automated docbook tooling to generate them | 17:09 |
| bdpayne | yeah | 17:09 |
| sicarie | at the same time, we only have one | 17:09 |
| sicarie | So I’d say low? | 17:09 |
| elmiko | that seems appropriate | 17:10 |
| sicarie | elmiko: could you do the honors for low / triaged? | 17:10 |
| elmiko | hmm | 17:11 |
| elmiko | interesting i can't set "Triaged" for status | 17:11 |
| elmiko | nor can i adjust importance | 17:11 |
| * bdpayne did it | 17:11 | |
| sicarie | +1 bdpayne! | 17:11 |
| sicarie | And congrats on the talk, btw! | 17:11 |
| elmiko | did bdpayne get accepted for a talk at summit? | 17:12 |
| bdpayne | yes | 17:12 |
| elmiko | nice =) | 17:12 |
| elmiko | mine got turned down =( | 17:12 |
| bdpayne | :-( | 17:12 |
| sicarie | I did want to call out a sec-guide bug that is getting fixed/merged elsewhere | 17:13 |
| sicarie | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1311067 | 17:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1311067 in openstack-manuals "Common guide for policy.json file" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Bernd Bausch (berndbausch) | 17:13 |
| sicarie | With initial submission: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166853/2 | 17:13 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:13 |
| sicarie | Just glanced through it, looks like good material, I added myself as a reviewer so I can link to it in the sec-guide (as it looks to be fixed elsewhere) | 17:14 |
| bdpayne | cool | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | browne: yep, last minute check if you can please | 17:14 |
| browne | sure | 17:15 |
| sicarie | It looks like there are a couple more bugs in-flight; I have a few structural changes going through | 17:15 |
| bdpayne | kk | 17:15 |
| sicarie | I did have three big items I wanted to take a look at | 17:15 |
| elmiko | i've been trying to keep up on reviews, but for some of the domain specific stuff i'm a little out of my depth | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | browne: thank you! | 17:15 |
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| sicarie | elmiko: you’ve been awesome, you’ve been beating me to the punch on most of these | 17:16 |
| sicarie | The first is the Compute chapter: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1412975 | 17:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1412975 in openstack-manuals "Security Guide - Compute Section" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to N Dillon (sicarie) | 17:16 |
| elmiko | aww shucks... ;) | 17:16 |
| sicarie | I threw up a rough outline of what I’m thinking, but elmiko is totally right on the domain-specific stuff - it takes a lot of time to research | 17:16 |
| sicarie | So any comments on that are welcome | 17:17 |
| elmiko | at a cursory glance, it looks nice. i'll add it to my list for review. | 17:17 |
| sicarie | thanks | 17:18 |
| sicarie | I’ve also been looking to overhaul the case studies | 17:18 |
| elmiko | cool | 17:18 |
| sicarie | Make sure they’re sane and good examples , preferably good contrasts as well, and detail on decision-making | 17:18 |
| sicarie | So I have an initial etherpad on that: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sec-guide-case-studies | 17:18 |
| bdpayne | all nice ideas :-) | 17:18 |
| sicarie | Again, any input is appreciated | 17:18 |
| sicarie | I need to link that to the bug | 17:19 |
| sicarie | one sec | 17:19 |
| sicarie | Finally, there are three sections that really need work | 17:19 |
| * bdpayne likes the comment Re fedramp in the etherpad | 17:19 | |
| elmiko | i really like the idea of laying out more information about what Alice and Bob are trying to do and what their studies should illustrate | 17:20 |
| sicarie | elmiko: precisely | 17:20 |
| elmiko | is there a link i can check out about the fedramp compliance stuff? | 17:20 |
| sicarie | Yeah, I apologize if I got snarky towards the end - I think I cleaned up most of those comments | 17:21 |
| sicarie | The end of last week was rough for me :) | 17:21 |
| elmiko | hehe, i know the feeling | 17:21 |
| sicarie | elmiko: I believe there’s a chapter on it in the sec guide :) | 17:21 |
| elmiko | lol, well know i feel sheepish. | 17:21 |
| bdpayne | https://www.fedramp.gov/resources/documents/ | 17:21 |
| sicarie | So especially being non-US, I’d love to get local regulation links and views in there as well | 17:21 |
| elmiko | bdpayne: thanks | 17:22 |
| sicarie | Possibly with Bob and how he has to conform to compliance? | 17:22 |
| sicarie | aka, if you don’t want to know about fedramp, I don’t blame you | 17:22 |
| sicarie | I’d really like to get some good contrasts going between Alice and Bob and what their implementations look like in the end | 17:23 |
| elmiko | that would be interesting, are you talking about a full-stack kind of perspective? | 17:23 |
| sicarie | Yeah, I think I am? It seems like the case studies are good places to holistically look at the impacts of each chapter | 17:24 |
| sicarie | How they impact the controls and environment | 17:24 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:24 |
| sicarie | And non-case study specific, there are three chapters that I wasn’t able to edit when I tried to do my cover-to-cover review | 17:25 |
| sicarie | Identity, Dashboard, and Network | 17:25 |
| sicarie | These three need a bit of work both around content, grammar, and file structure within the repo | 17:26 |
| elmiko | i take it the grammar and file structure can be addressed more generally? (no domain specific knowledge needed) | 17:26 |
| sicarie | Yeah | 17:26 |
| sicarie | Absolutely | 17:26 |
| elmiko | sounds good | 17:26 |
| sicarie | Plus, Identity is a bit more generalized at this point - there’s not too much Keystone-specific stuff in the chapter, a lot of federation, etc.... | 17:27 |
| bdpayne | ok, I need to run to another meeting | 17:27 |
| elmiko | take care | 17:27 |
| sicarie | bdpayne: thanks for stopping by! | 17:27 |
| bdpayne | thanks guys for pushing this effort forward | 17:27 |
| elmiko | =) | 17:28 |
| bdpayne | sounds like you are working on all the right things :-) | 17:28 |
| bdpayne | cheers | 17:28 |
| sicarie | The Network chapter is the one I’m concerned may have outdated (ie, incorrect) info | 17:28 |
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| elmiko | yea, networking stuff iterates quickly as well | 17:28 |
| sicarie | Yep | 17:29 |
| sicarie | And with the reorganization going on there at the moment... | 17:29 |
| sicarie | Actually, I think that’s mostly settled | 17:29 |
| elmiko | are there bugs for the grammar and file structure issues up yet? | 17:29 |
| sicarie | No | 17:29 |
| elmiko | k, so we need to get on those | 17:29 |
| sicarie | elmiko: if you wanted to do that, it would be awesome | 17:29 |
| sicarie | yep | 17:29 |
| elmiko | i can read through identity section again and generate a grammer bug | 17:30 |
| elmiko | as for structure i might need to understand a little better | 17:30 |
| sicarie | Sweet! Another issue I noticed (I don’t remember if it was Identity or Dashboard) at one point there was 3 pages of a dump of a huge config file? | 17:30 |
| sicarie | Stuff like that can be called out specifically | 17:31 |
| elmiko | ok | 17:31 |
| sicarie | Oh, sure, so most of the detail was in the ch_identity file | 17:31 |
| sicarie | there were a few section_ files | 17:31 |
| sicarie | but the ch_identity and ch_dashboard files are HUGE | 17:31 |
| elmiko | ahh, ok | 17:31 |
| elmiko | so we need better segregation/separation | 17:31 |
| sicarie | So getting the intro and sections in the to ch_file, and everything else out in its own section_files | 17:31 |
| sicarie | elmiko: precisely | 17:31 |
| sicarie | Oh | 17:32 |
| elmiko | ok, i'll take a look at identity and generate bugs for grammar and structure | 17:32 |
| sicarie | Sweet | 17:32 |
| sicarie | And I have to run as well | 17:32 |
| elmiko | k, are you gonna be at summit? | 17:32 |
| sicarie | Probably not :( | 17:32 |
| elmiko | aww =( | 17:32 |
| elmiko | ok, we'll talk more later or next week =) | 17:32 |
| sicarie | Agreed | 17:32 |
| sicarie | Sounds good! | 17:33 |
| sicarie | Thanks! | 17:33 |
| elmiko | np, thanks for chairing =) | 17:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/anchor: Adding more no-cover pragmas on OpenSSL error handling code https://review.openstack.org/165741 | 18:42 |
| browne | tmcpeak: I did some more tests of Bandit. LGTM | 18:48 |
| tmcpeak | browne: awesome, thanks! | 18:49 |
| tmcpeak | version pin coming in about 2 hours unless somebody finds something | 18:49 |
| tmcpeak | ljfisher, dwyde: want to do a last pass? | 18:49 |
| dwyde | tmcpeak: sounds good | 18:51 |
| browne | tmcpeak: cool | 18:52 |
| tmcpeak | cool, thank you | 18:52 |
| tmcpeak | ljfisher, dwyde, browne: you guys in favor of 0.9.5 or 1.0? | 18:54 |
| browne | probably 0.9 for me | 18:56 |
| dwyde | tmcpeak: 0.9.5, mostly because a bunch of deep changes have happened in the last week or two | 18:56 |
| tmcpeak | browne, dwyde: so a couple of things, first of all it's currently 0.9.0, so have to go up a little | 18:57 |
| ljfisher | tmcpeak, I think you are good. +1 on 0.9.5 | 18:57 |
| tmcpeak | also, ukbelch points out that 0.9.5 would mean it's an incremental release | 18:57 |
| tmcpeak | and we should do 0.10.0 if we go up :) | 18:57 |
| tmcpeak | which just sounds messed up to me | 18:57 |
| tmcpeak | dwyde: we should be stable though, have tested with a lot of the deep changes | 18:59 |
| dwyde | tmcpeak: true | 18:59 |
| dwyde | more stable than KDE 4.0, anyway :-) | 18:59 |
| tmcpeak | ljfisher, browne, dwyde: I'm incline towards 1.0 for the psychological impact, don't think most are going to want to run a "beta" version of something | 18:59 |
| tmcpeak | dwyde: lol, this is true | 18:59 |
| tmcpeak | some of planned features could go in 1.1, etc? | 19:00 |
| dwyde | tmcpeak: I’m good with 1.0 | 19:01 |
| tmcpeak | dwyde: cool | 19:01 |
| tmcpeak | ljfisher, browne: ok on 1.0? | 19:01 |
| tmcpeak | from now on we can do versioning in a sensible way :) | 19:01 |
| ljfisher | if 0.9.5 is incremental, then 0.10 is fine also. Plenty of people use plenty of projects that haven’t hit 1.0. :) I more look at is as how many of the features we want to do going to break the interface both for running bandit and for processing the output. Marking with 1.0 kinds of says we won’t change that. | 19:03 |
| ljfisher | at least for awhile | 19:03 |
| tmcpeak | ljfisher: that's a good point | 19:03 |
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| tmcpeak | ok, here's what I'm going to do… majority wins, ljfisher, dwyde, browne, chair6, tkselsey, ukbelch, fletcher, and myself all get a vote | 19:04 |
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| tmcpeak | chair6 breaks ties | 19:04 |
| tmcpeak | 0.10.0 or 1.0 | 19:04 |
| ljfisher | 0.10 | 19:04 |
| tmcpeak | 1.0 | 19:05 |
| ljfisher | Do we have this running as a gate yet or code to do so? | 19:05 |
| tmcpeak | ljfisher: no, we need pinned version to do any of that | 19:05 |
| tmcpeak | at least if it's an openstack gate | 19:05 |
| ljfisher | So I can’t say 1.0 until we go through that exercise and it works as is. Stuff like that always causes issues to fall out. | 19:06 |
| tmcpeak | ljfisher: fair enough | 19:06 |
| tmcpeak | ukbelch votes 1.0 | 19:06 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey votes 0.10 | 19:07 |
| tkelsey | yup | 19:07 |
| dwyde | 0.10 | 19:08 |
| tmcpeak | dwyde: got it | 19:09 |
| tmcpeak | ukbelch flip-flopped so now he voted 0.10 also | 19:10 |
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| tmcpeak | chair6 voted 0.10, so it will be 0.10 :) | 19:32 |
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| dwyde | tmcpeak: no new bugs to report — LGTM :-) | 20:08 |
| tmcpeak | dwyde: cool! thanks for checking | 20:09 |
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| browne | i like 0.1 | 20:15 |
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| tmcpeak | browne: cool | 20:25 |
| tmcpeak | allright, here it goes | 20:25 |
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| tmcpeak | all: bandit is live in pypi :) | 21:11 |
| tmcpeak | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/bandit/0.10.0 | 21:11 |
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| browne | Nice! | 21:20 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah, looks like it's missing config file at least, but at least we have something up :) | 21:25 |
| tmcpeak | will fix soon | 21:25 |
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