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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/security-doc: Fix malformed sentence in security-guide https://review.openstack.org/192880 | 06:31 |
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| elmiko | Daviey: hey, i'm curious about your thoughts on the sec-guide bugs. got a moment to chat? | 15:18 |
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| elmiko | tmcpeak: you around here? | 15:58 |
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| Daviey | elmiko: Hiya. | 16:02 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: hey, what's up? | 16:03 |
| elmiko | lol, wow. | 16:03 |
| elmiko | wasn't expecting that | 16:04 |
| tmcpeak | both of us woke up at the same time? :) | 16:04 |
| tmcpeak | just noticed my Adium guy freaking out ;) | 16:04 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: i was trying to find the proper wording to recommend the change you talked about for OSSN0049 | 16:04 |
| elmiko | i think i may have found it though. | 16:04 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok cool | 16:04 |
| elmiko | i feel its just odd to recommend code modifications in an ossn, i feel like there need to be several caveats | 16:05 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, I hear you | 16:05 |
| elmiko | Daviey: hi, i was curious about your suggestion for the sec-guide bugs. i.e. how to improve the triaged ones | 16:05 |
| Daviey | elmiko: So, we have 58 sec-guide bugs in non-fixed status, right? | 16:05 |
| elmiko | sounds about right | 16:06 |
| elmiko | 60, but yea. | 16:06 |
| Daviey | Oh, dunno why my search found 58. | 16:06 |
| elmiko | hehe, i just reloaded the page and now it's 59... lol | 16:07 |
| Daviey | elmiko: But looking through them, very few of them are "Triaged". | 16:07 |
| Daviey | What do we consider Triaged to be? | 16:07 |
| elmiko | Daviey: we meet on mondays in here at 1:00 eastern for the sec-doc. | 16:08 |
| elmiko | usually we go throught the new ones | 16:08 |
| elmiko | and once we have decided priority and severity (and any open questions), we mark as triaged | 16:08 |
| Daviey | elmiko: Ah, i didn't know there was a seperate meeting | 16:08 |
| elmiko | i took it from your comments that maybe we should add more specific remarks to the bugs, to help guide folks interested in fixing? | 16:08 |
| elmiko | the meeting is less formal than the sec-group meeting. | 16:09 |
| Daviey | (phone call, brb) | 16:10 |
| elmiko | np | 16:10 |
| Daviey | elmiko: Sorry, back now. I didn't mean to come across as overly critical.. Apologies if i did! | 16:15 |
| Daviey | elmiko: I was just scanning through the bugs, and many of them felt not ready to wordsmith as the problems were still undefined. | 16:16 |
| elmiko | Daviey: you weren't overly critical at all, i took it that you wanted to help improve the state of things =) | 16:17 |
| Daviey | So of them felt more project centric, rather than general security focussed - meaning a first attempt by the project might be a better idea, with hardening by ossg? | 16:17 |
| elmiko | i think that's accurate | 16:17 |
| elmiko | many of them will require direct action from people who know the projects in question | 16:17 |
| Daviey | elmiko: Do you know if there has been much interest from the projects involved? | 16:17 |
| elmiko | some, but it has not been overwheling ;) | 16:18 |
| Daviey | heh | 16:18 |
| elmiko | we probably need to reach out to the CPLs if we want more engagement | 16:18 |
| Daviey | elmiko: Ie, bug 1329606 is screaming for cinder to write some notes on this | 16:18 |
| openstack | bug 1329606 in openstack-manuals "Security Guide does not document cinder wiping behavior" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1329606 | 16:18 |
| elmiko | Daviey: yea, exactly | 16:19 |
| Daviey | i'm guessing none of the generic ossg members can touch that | 16:19 |
| elmiko | we just need someone who knows it well enough | 16:19 |
| elmiko | yea, that's kinda the issue with some of these | 16:19 |
| tmcpeak | that would be a deep-dive for a OSSG member, but if there was somebody in Cinder that knew it, it could be a 30 minute writing exercise | 16:19 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:19 |
| Daviey | bug 1455926 seems very blocked on neutron right now | 16:20 |
| openstack | bug 1455926 in openstack-manuals "Security Guide - Networking services - Incorrect Information" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1455926 | 16:20 |
| elmiko | Daviey: yea, if there is one thing we need it's more engagement from the project CPLs | 16:20 |
| Daviey | tmcpeak: could even be a 10 mins notes from the SME and 20 mins from ossg docs | 16:20 |
| Daviey | ie, wordsmithed by us.. | 16:20 |
| tmcpeak | Daviey: yeah, for sure. Do we have any Cinder security embeds? | 16:20 |
| elmiko | Daviey: in an ideal world, yes =) | 16:20 |
| Daviey | Might i suggest, we pick 5 blocked on SME's each week and jump on projects asking them to write some notes? | 16:22 |
| elmiko | that's a great idea | 16:22 |
| tmcpeak | that sounds good, even cranking through a couple a week would be good progress | 16:23 |
| elmiko | i might start a little smaller, maybe 3, but just because there are only so many of us ;) | 16:23 |
| Daviey | fair point. Okay, how about we pick one each.. Baggsy the cinder one. | 16:23 |
| elmiko | hehe | 16:24 |
| elmiko | sure, i'll make sure to bring it on monday at the meeting | 16:24 |
| elmiko | i also linked this convo to sicarie | 16:24 |
| Daviey | elmiko: Hmm, i can't see the meeting on the calendar? | 16:26 |
| elmiko | yea, it's informal so far | 16:26 |
| elmiko | we don't have an "official" meeting... yet ;) | 16:26 |
| Daviey | Perhaps we should 'document' the meeting? :) | 16:26 |
| elmiko | agreed, i think at some point we should work towards having an official meeting with meetbot and everything | 16:27 |
| elmiko | currently the eavesdrop logs are the only method of review | 16:27 |
| elmiko | a little background, | 16:27 |
| elmiko | this has been a growing effort over the last cycle or so (6-8 months), in terms of meeting and generating a larger team | 16:27 |
| elmiko | although the guide itself is much older | 16:28 |
| elmiko | i think as we get more folks interested in helping, our velocity is increasing, we definitely will need to organize more | 16:28 |
| Daviey | Yeah, i thought the security guide was more of a static document now.. I only learned last cycle it is still being improved. | 16:29 |
| Daviey | So 13:00 ET Monday, 18:00 UK time ? | 16:29 |
| elmiko | 1700UTC | 16:30 |
| Daviey | Much better. | 16:30 |
| elmiko | =) | 16:30 |
| elmiko | since we are currently under the domination of daylight savings time ;) | 16:30 |
| elmiko | where i am, at least | 16:30 |
| Daviey | same here | 16:31 |
| elmiko | i dunno how it is in the UK, but here some states don't observe it. fun times | 16:32 |
| Daviey | Some people in Scotland did suggest *they* drop DST, which would have been fun. | 16:33 |
| elmiko | hehe | 16:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael McCune proposed openstack/security-doc: Add OSSN-0049 https://review.openstack.org/194416 | 16:35 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: curious about your thoughts ^^ | 16:35 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: cool, I'll check it out | 16:35 |
| elmiko | thanks! | 16:35 |
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| elmiko | Daviey: thanks for the feedback, i'm optimistic we can improve the process =) | 16:36 |
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| janonymous_ | Hi , could somebody help me out with ERROR: InvocationError: | 16:38 |
| janonymous_ | when running tox for bandit | 16:38 |
| janonymous_ | tox -ebandit | 16:38 |
| tmcpeak | janonymous_ : can you put the contents of your tox.ini and the error in a pastebin and drop the link here? | 16:38 |
| janonymous_ | Complete tox or just bandit section | 16:40 |
| janonymous_ | http://paste.openstack.org/show/321402/ | 16:42 |
| tmcpeak | one sec | 16:44 |
| tmcpeak | janonymous: what happens when you run the Bandit command manually? | 16:45 |
| tmcpeak | run this from command line: "bandit -c bandit.yaml -r swift -n5 -p swift_conservative" | 16:45 |
| janonymous_ | yes i am doing this only | 16:46 |
| janonymous_ | is there a dependency on oslo that would be required ? | 16:46 |
| tmcpeak | janonymous_: no | 16:47 |
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| tmcpeak | I mean what happens when you run Bandit without tox | 16:47 |
| tmcpeak | switch into the tox virtual env and try to run the Bandit command manually | 16:47 |
| tmcpeak | it should give you more of a clue what the problem is | 16:47 |
| janonymous_ | ok, please hold on a sec | 16:48 |
| janonymous_ | Yes, you are right runnig " bandit -c bandit.yaml -r swift -n5 -p swift_conservative" simple doesn't raise an error | 16:50 |
| tmcpeak | ok so must be something isn't set up correctly in the tox environment | 16:50 |
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| janonymous_ | yes.... | 16:51 |
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| tmcpeak | janonymous_: looks like you're missing something in your tox.ini - check out Keystone's https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/tox.ini#L115 | 16:53 |
| janonymous_ | deps = -r{toxinidir}/test-requirements.txt part was already set in deps of testenv | 16:54 |
| tmcpeak | Keystone's also set that, and they set it again in Bandit, maybe try it? | 16:57 |
| tmcpeak | I'm not a tox expert, but I imagine they wouldn't have put it if it wasn't required | 16:57 |
| janonymous_ | ohh i see , please hold on sec again , i am running the tests | 16:58 |
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| janonymous_ | It' still failing :( | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: this is great! I really like adding the relevant code blurb in here | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | janonymous_: ok- so just to check. If you run the Bandit command manually, it works? is this inside or outside of the tox virtualenv? | 17:01 |
| janonymous_ | outside virtual env | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | well try it inside the virtual env that Bandit tox is creating to ensure that the virtual env has been created properly | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | rm -rf .tox/bandit and run with tox again | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | it's something wrong with virtual environment/tox for sure, because it works when you run it manually | 17:03 |
| janonymous_ | Yes you are right , i'll debug tox then... | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | I'll be back in a bit | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | good luck with it | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | there might be a verbose option for tox that can help you | 17:06 |
| janonymous_ | something is wrong for sure with tox env setup | 17:06 |
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| Canaima_kawaii | holisss:-D | 17:55 |
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| Canaima_kawaii | holisssss | 17:59 |
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| Canaima_kawaii | Se ha solicitado una sesión de mensajería musical. Por favor, seleccione el icono de MM para aceptarla. | 18:06 |
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| tmcpeak | :\ | 18:08 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:09 |
| elmiko | i don't get where these things are coming from... | 18:09 |
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| tmcpeak | Spain bro | 18:12 |
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| elmiko | lol | 18:13 |
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| tmcpeak | "Has requested a session ? N of messaging ? A musical. Please select the MM icon to accept ." | 18:14 |
| elmiko | yea, so random... | 18:16 |
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| tmcpeak | shohel - what's up, long time | 18:48 |
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| localloop127 | anybody seen a fresh bandit install not find anything when running against the examples? | 19:10 |
| elmiko | localloop127: like, when running the tests? | 19:11 |
| localloop127 | i've tried with 0.11.0, master, and 0.10.1. installed with pip install --user . from within the cloned repo. | 19:12 |
| localloop127 | yep, bandit -r ./examples/* returns "No issues identified." | 19:12 |
| elmiko | i'll try, 1sec | 19:13 |
| elmiko | ooh, i get an error... hmm | 19:13 |
| localloop127 | if your error about plugin assert not found? | 19:13 |
| localloop127 | is* | 19:14 |
| elmiko | nah | 19:14 |
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| elmiko | i'm getting a keyerror | 19:14 |
| localloop127 | ok. i was also getting python path issues when running in a virtual env, so i stopped trying to use it that way | 19:14 |
| elmiko | yea, i'm getting all sorts of weirdness | 19:16 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: ^^ | 19:16 |
| elmiko | he may know | 19:16 |
| tmcpeak | back | 19:17 |
| elmiko | localloop127 is having some bandit issues, and mine seems to be totally broken =( | 19:17 |
| tmcpeak | ok, which first? | 19:18 |
| tmcpeak | localloop127: what's the —user? I haven't seen that | 19:18 |
| elmiko | local install, to avoid sudo iirc | 19:19 |
| localloop127 | correct | 19:19 |
| elmiko | (got mine working btw) | 19:19 |
| localloop127 | elmiko what did you do to fix | 19:19 |
| elmiko | i removed the venv i created, and recreated it | 19:19 |
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| elmiko | i'm getting all sorts of output for `bandit -r ./examples` | 19:20 |
| elmiko | like, issues that is | 19:20 |
| tmcpeak | localloop127: Bandit doesn't require sudo | 19:20 |
| localloop127 | using the bandit.yaml from the repo? | 19:20 |
| tmcpeak | I did git clone from stackforge | 19:20 |
| tmcpeak | (make sure all other Bandit is uninstalled) | 19:20 |
| elmiko | same here, clone from stackforge | 19:20 |
| tmcpeak | then "pip install ." | 19:20 |
| tmcpeak | then bandit -r examples | 19:21 |
| tmcpeak | and got usual output | 19:21 |
| localloop127 | tmcpeak: it does to install if you're on OS X and not in virtual env and don't use the pip install --user | 19:21 |
| tmcpeak | I'm in OSX no virtual env | 19:21 |
| elmiko | interesting that it doesn't need sudo on OSX | 19:22 |
| localloop127 | o.O seriously? i got all sorts of permission denied writing to /Library... | 19:22 |
| tmcpeak | mine didn't install to /Library, it installed to /usr/local/bin/bandit | 19:22 |
| tmcpeak | are you using latest? we used to try to put config in /etc which definitely required sudo, but now we don't do that anymore | 19:24 |
| tmcpeak | localloop127: ^ | 19:24 |
| localloop127 | tmcpeak: did you install python from homebrew? | 19:26 |
| localloop127 | i wonder if your python site packages are a different place from mine | 19:26 |
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| localloop127 | i did try latest. tried master, 0.11.0 and 0.10.1 tags | 19:27 |
| elmiko | weird | 19:27 |
| tmcpeak | localloop127: yeah looks like it | 19:28 |
| tmcpeak | MacBook-Pro:bandit travismcpeak$ python | 19:28 |
| tmcpeak | Python 2.7.9 (default, Jan 7 2015, 11:49:12) | 19:28 |
| tmcpeak | [GCC 4.2.1 Compatible Apple LLVM 6.0 (clang-600.0.56)] on darwin | 19:28 |
| tmcpeak | Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. | 19:28 |
| tmcpeak | >>> import site; site.getsitepackages() | 19:28 |
| tmcpeak | ['/usr/local/Cellar/python/2.7.9/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages', '/usr/local/Cellar/python/2.7.9/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/site-python', '/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages'] | 19:28 |
| tmcpeak | >>> | 19:28 |
| localloop127 | ok i'll try switching to homebrew python | 19:29 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: you still having problems too? | 19:30 |
| elmiko | nope, mine works now =) | 19:30 |
| tmcpeak | cool, one down | 19:30 |
| elmiko | hehe | 19:30 |
| elmiko | i just hadn't used it in awhile and my venv was stale, clean install fixed it | 19:31 |
| tmcpeak | localloop127: I don't remember installing Python? maybe it has just always been here? | 19:31 |
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| tmcpeak | ahh cool | 19:31 |
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| elmiko | yea python is installed by default on OSX | 19:34 |
| elmiko | i haven't used OSX in awhile but /usr/local/Cellar/... doesn't seem familiar to me, maybe they changed the default paths at some point | 19:34 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, that's where brew puts the stuff | 19:35 |
| elmiko | ah, ok | 19:35 |
| elmiko | that makes sense | 19:35 |
| elmiko | i never got too deep into brew, i had been using macports until i switched to linux for my dev machine | 19:36 |
| localloop127 | ok tons of results | 19:36 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 19:36 |
| tmcpeak | woot | 19:37 |
| localloop127 | we may need to put in the readme: apple's python sucks | 19:37 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, definitely | 19:37 |
| elmiko | hehe | 19:37 |
| tmcpeak | this is a good find | 19:37 |
| localloop127 | ok, in nicer terms, but apples python sucks | 19:37 |
| elmiko | agreed, good find | 19:37 |
| tmcpeak | localloop127: would you mind adding it to the README and wiki? | 19:37 |
| localloop127 | nope, dont mind at all | 19:38 |
| tmcpeak | awesome, thank you | 19:38 |
| tmcpeak | you can save the next person this pain :D | 19:38 |
| elmiko | +1 | 19:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nathaniel Dillon proposed openstack/security-doc: Adding hypervisor and issue handling section to compute chapter https://review.openstack.org/196200 | 19:38 |
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| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: if I do `tox -re 27 --notest` and then `.tox/py27/bin/bandit -r examples` it looks fine to me | 19:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | oh yo ufigured it out | 19:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | stupid Bouncer not giving me the entire history | 19:41 |
| tmcpeak | :) | 19:42 |
| elmiko | good to know about the tox usage, i wasn't sure if i could use it that way | 19:42 |
| elmiko | i usually just run a non-tox venv | 19:42 |
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| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: you can also always have tox generate it for you and then do `source .tox/py27/bin/activate` | 20:53 |
| elmiko | yea, i knew that one. i just get so caught up in all the venvs i create lol | 20:55 |
| * elmiko is a venv addict | 20:55 | |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: yeah so am I | 20:56 |
| sigmavirus24 | I've also fallen into the practice of abusing tox like openstack does | 20:56 |
| elmiko | yea, i'm starting to do that | 20:56 |
| elmiko | hehe | 20:56 |
| sigmavirus24 | I feel kind of conflicted about it | 20:56 |
| elmiko | how so? | 20:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | On the one hand it works well | 20:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | On the other hand tox is for testing | 20:57 |
| elmiko | yea... lol, not generating docs, and running small microstuffs, and .... | 20:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | and cutting releases | 21:02 |
| elmiko | ooh, creative ;) | 21:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | https://github.com/sigmavirus24/github3.py/blob/develop/tox.ini#L35..L41 | 21:04 |
| elmiko | interesting | 21:05 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: i need to ask you questions about twine at some point. really about signing packages to pypi, i'd like to do it for sahara but i'm still ramping up on the effort. | 21:06 |
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| keren | hola | 21:27 |
| tmcpeak | what's up keren | 21:28 |
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| elmiko | ... | 21:28 |
| keren | hablen en ingles | 21:29 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, what's up? | 21:29 |
| keren | españolll | 21:30 |
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| tmcpeak | great, yes, espanol | 21:30 |
| elmiko | hehe | 21:30 |
| keren | hablen español | 21:32 |
| tmcpeak | no | 21:33 |
| keren | xq no | 21:34 |
| tmcpeak | keren - do you have something you want to say? | 21:34 |
| keren | no te entiendo | 21:34 |
| tmcpeak | por qué estás aquí? | 21:35 |
| keren | xq quiero hablar | 21:35 |
| keren | pero en español | 21:35 |
| tmcpeak | este no es el canal correcto | 21:36 |
| keren | dime uno | 21:36 |
| keren | que no sea ni #canaima-social | 21:36 |
| keren | ni #Canaima | 21:36 |
| keren | dime ps | 21:36 |
| tmcpeak | #https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=%23unixmexico | 21:36 |
| keren | que sea de la canaima | 21:37 |
| tmcpeak | #unixmexico | 21:37 |
| keren | que este en lalista de lacanaima | 21:37 |
| keren | dimee | 21:39 |
| tmcpeak | este no es un canal español | 21:39 |
| keren | que este en la lista de la canaima | 21:39 |
| keren | lista de la canaima | 21:39 |
| keren | entiende | 21:40 |
| tmcpeak | por favor deja de decir que , esto es para la seguridad de OpenStack , si sigues hablando fuera de tema Te voy a quitar de este canal | 21:40 |
| keren | como quitame | 21:41 |
| keren | atrevete | 21:41 |
| keren | estoy esperando | 21:42 |
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| elmiko | lol, that's enough machine learning for one day ;) | 21:44 |
| tmcpeak | lol, yeah, got bored of Spanish lessons | 21:44 |
| tmcpeak | I wonder if somebody trolled us and added us to some bogus list | 21:46 |
| elmiko | i can only imgaine | 21:46 |
| tmcpeak | http://channels.alhur.es/ | 21:46 |
| elmiko | i never see that spam on other channels though | 21:47 |
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| tmcpeak | what can I say, we're kind of a big deal in Spanish speaking countries | 21:47 |
| elmiko | hehe | 21:48 |
| elmiko | have a good weekend tmcpeak, i'm out | 21:50 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: cool man, you too | 21:51 |
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