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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/security-doc: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/203490 | 06:01 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/security-doc: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/203490 | 06:19 |
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openstackgerrit | RainieLin proposed openstack/security-doc: Allow metadata proxy running with nobody https://review.openstack.org/203555 | 10:14 |
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tmcpeak | Daviey: you around? | 13:45 |
Daviey | tmcpeak: always | 13:45 |
tmcpeak | haha sweet | 13:45 |
tmcpeak | so I'm not sure we want install to etc | 13:45 |
tmcpeak | that generally requires sudo install, right? | 13:46 |
Daviey | tmcpeak: yeah | 13:46 |
tmcpeak | I'd like to avoid sudo install if possible | 13:47 |
Daviey | tmcpeak: but we already install bandit to /usr/local/, which requires root | 13:48 |
Daviey | /usr/local/bin/bandit | 13:48 |
tmcpeak | Daviey: hmm, does it? and do we have any other choice? at least on a mac I'm not sudo installing | 13:48 |
Daviey | tmcpeak: Hmm.. it isn't /etc , but etc/ | 13:48 |
Daviey | tmcpeak: can you try my branch and see what it does? | 13:49 |
tmcpeak | Daviey: sure | 13:49 |
tmcpeak | yeah etc/ should be fine, I'll give it a whirl | 13:49 |
Daviey | tmcpeak: We also now install the wordlist with pip install to, /usr/local/share/bandit/wordlist/default-passwords | 13:51 |
tmcpeak | yeah, that looks like it might require sudo also | 13:51 |
Daviey | On a mac, where is that put? | 13:51 |
tmcpeak | Daviey: good q | 13:52 |
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tmcpeak | Daviey: ok, so it did install bandit to /usr/local/bin, which on a Mac doesn't seem to require special privileges | 14:03 |
tmcpeak | and config went to /usr/local/etc/bandit/bandit.yaml, which also didn't require privs | 14:04 |
tmcpeak | ok, this appears to be some homebrew thing | 14:07 |
tmcpeak | hmm | 14:09 |
tmcpeak | http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/1393/are-my-permissions-for-usr-local-correct | 14:09 |
tmcpeak | ok - so /usr/local is not a system folder on OSX - I'm fairly sure that isn't true for other nix's though, so we probably currently have a situation where sudo is required to install on other nix but not on OSX | 14:10 |
Daviey | tmcpeak: But where do linux users install the library part? | 14:11 |
Daviey | I mean, pip and easy_install both install to site wide (root required) locations | 14:11 |
tmcpeak | good question. What are you running? | 14:11 |
tmcpeak | ahh ok | 14:11 |
Daviey | Ubuntu & Debian.. Have some RHEL, but not for this. | 14:12 |
tmcpeak | ok, so you're saying we already require either venv or elevated privs? | 14:12 |
Daviey | That is how i understood it | 14:12 |
tmcpeak | ok cool | 14:12 |
tmcpeak | Daviey: change looks good and appdirs gets around the strangeness we had last time we tried to do this | 14:13 |
Daviey | How i do it locally is, python setup.py sdist # create tarball | 14:13 |
Daviey | $ pip install dist/bandit-0.12.1.dev23.tar.gz | 14:13 |
Daviey | ... | 14:14 |
Daviey | OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bandit-0.12.1.dev23.dist-info' | 14:14 |
tmcpeak | btw: what's this: os.environ['XDG_CONFIG_DIRS'] = '/etc:/usr/local/etc' | 14:15 |
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Daviey | tmcpeak: That stops it using /etc/xdg/bandit/ | 14:16 |
tmcpeak | what's xdg? | 14:16 |
Daviey | http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html | 14:17 |
Daviey | tmcpeak: But do test what the branch does on your system.. i've only tested it on Debian and Ubuntu | 14:18 |
tmcpeak | ok cool, I'll play with this a bit | 14:19 |
Daviey | ta | 14:19 |
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sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: Daviey why not `pip install --user bandit`? | 14:41 |
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sigmavirus24 | Also data_files won't write to /etc/ iirc | 14:42 |
tmcpeak | sigmavirus24: ahh | 14:42 |
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sigmavirus24 | dstufft: can confirm what data_files does w/r/t where it installs stuff but people will likely be using Bandit on more than just linux | 14:42 |
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Daviey | sigmavirus24: I've never used that.. I always use either venv or global | 14:43 |
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tmcpeak | sigmavirus24: use it for more than Linux like… ? | 14:44 |
sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: e.g., installing bandit on OSX or (*shocked face*) Windows | 14:45 |
Daviey | But JFYI, on linux it installs to ~/.local/etc/bandit/bandit.yaml | 14:45 |
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tmcpeak | lol, windows | 14:49 |
tmcpeak | I wonder if Bandit even works on Windows | 14:49 |
elmiko | if you have a python env setup is there any reason it wouldn't? | 14:50 |
Daviey | Maybe | 14:51 |
elmiko | for the record, my windows python experience is very limited | 14:51 |
Daviey | And TBH, unless we have tested it - we have to presume it doesn't work | 14:51 |
tmcpeak | yep | 14:51 |
elmiko | Daviey++ | 14:51 |
Daviey | Anyone think Stan would mind if i helped nudge along a config related branch by pushing a new revision ? | 14:52 |
tmcpeak | Daviey: I can ping him | 14:53 |
Daviey | tmcpeak: he's on silly o'clock? | 14:53 |
tmcpeak | yeah, but also hacker hours | 14:53 |
Daviey | hah | 14:53 |
Daviey | tmcpeak: don't worry, i'll just do it | 14:53 |
tmcpeak | ok cool | 14:53 |
Daviey | If he minds, then my bad. | 14:54 |
tmcpeak | ok cool, yeah he probably wouldn't mind | 14:55 |
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sigmavirus24 | So given our limited dependencies, if bandit doesn't work on Windows, I'd be thoroughly shocked | 15:12 |
sigmavirus24 | And regardless of what we advertise supporting, someone will try to use it on Windows, I guarantee it | 15:13 |
tmcpeak | yeah, most likely | 15:13 |
Daviey | If i get bored, i might give it a try | 15:14 |
tmcpeak | I'd be curious, but not enough to do it myself :D | 15:14 |
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Daviey | tmcpeak: If i test it on windows, do you want to test it on Plan 9? | 15:17 |
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sigmavirus24 | Daviey: yes | 15:20 |
sigmavirus24 | plan 9 users should be our target demographic | 15:20 |
tmcpeak | I dont' even know what that is ;) | 15:20 |
* tmcpeak googles | 15:20 | |
sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: how old are you? | 15:20 |
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tmcpeak | 32 | 15:20 |
tmcpeak | old enough I should know | 15:21 |
sigmavirus24 | Okay. I think you're young enough to not have to know | 15:21 |
elmiko | Daviey, sigmavirus24, lol to plan9 support | 15:21 |
sigmavirus24 | elmiko: 2016 is the year of plan 9 on the desktop | 15:21 |
sigmavirus24 | I'm calling it right now | 15:21 |
tmcpeak | looks like they killed it in 2002, so I probably should have heard of it at some point | 15:22 |
sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: there are still people supporting plan 9 is things | 15:22 |
elmiko | sigmavirus24: if you are correct, i'm buying the cervezas in barcelona ;) | 15:22 |
tmcpeak | loool, why? | 15:22 |
sigmavirus24 | wmii is a linux window manager that uses a virtual plan 9 so that you can control the environment with file descriptors and stuff | 15:22 |
sigmavirus24 | it's fun | 15:22 |
sigmavirus24 | (that's the real reason that I @ 24 know what plan 9 is) | 15:23 |
elmiko | i want to know if bandit will work on my haiku installation? | 15:23 |
sigmavirus24 | lol | 15:23 |
elmiko | (probably yes) | 15:23 |
sigmavirus24 | maybe | 15:23 |
tmcpeak | wow man, you're young | 15:23 |
sigmavirus24 | the real test is if it works on bsd | 15:23 |
sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: if I feel old, does that count for anything? | 15:23 |
tmcpeak | haha | 15:24 |
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tmcpeak | you're ahead of the curve for sure - I wasn't doing anything productive anywhere close to 24 | 15:24 |
sigmavirus24 | depends on your definition of productive =P | 15:25 |
elmiko | i was writing o/s layer drivers for a custom arm asic | 15:25 |
elmiko | (at 24, that is) | 15:25 |
sigmavirus24 | :D | 15:25 |
tmcpeak | that counts | 15:25 |
sigmavirus24 | Sadly I've never done anything that interesting | 15:26 |
elmiko | that was a lifetime ago though lol | 15:26 |
sigmavirus24 | The closest I can come to that is saying that I've written code for pyca/cryptography | 15:26 |
elmiko | sigmavirus24: which is pretty cool imo | 15:26 |
tmcpeak | also counts | 15:26 |
sigmavirus24 | yeah, I was pretty ecstatic to get that merged. it's a cool project | 15:27 |
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elmiko | i'm actually blown away by how many changes you guys have been putting into bandit recently, big thumbs up from this side of the keyboard =) | 15:27 |
tmcpeak | yeah, cryptography is a great project | 15:27 |
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tmcpeak | elmiko: thank you (although not my work) I'm very happy with the Bandit community | 15:28 |
Daviey | elmiko: Perhaps if your thumbs were on the keyboard, you'd be more productive :) | 15:28 |
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elmiko | Daviey: haha! | 15:28 |
elmiko | typing with thumbs up is like drinking tea with pinky finger raised ;) | 15:29 |
Daviey | How British | 15:29 |
elmiko | needs more finger sandwiches though | 15:29 |
Daviey | Over the weekend, i packaged bandit for Debian and Ubuntu. | 15:29 |
elmiko | nice | 15:29 |
sigmavirus24 | Daviey: you can type with your thumbs up on http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00455EU7U/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687722&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B0049PFYWQ&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0JPBQ593KET46J9SSVJJ | 15:30 |
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tmcpeak | Daviey: sweet! | 15:30 |
elmiko | dude... that is nutty | 15:30 |
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sigmavirus24 | erEr http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00455EU7U | 15:31 |
sigmavirus24 | (without all the referrer crap) | 15:31 |
tmcpeak | ^ WTH | 15:31 |
sigmavirus24 | I've seen a keyboard like that with adjustable wrist rests builtin | 15:31 |
sigmavirus24 | so your arms aren't hanging there | 15:31 |
sigmavirus24 | also, I'm a keyboard ... enthusiast, having built 2 already | 15:32 |
sigmavirus24 | just FYI | 15:32 |
tmcpeak | *built* ? | 15:32 |
tmcpeak | I didn't even know that was a thing | 15:32 |
sigmavirus24 | soldered, etc. | 15:32 |
tmcpeak | wow | 15:32 |
sigmavirus24 | Yeah, kind of like http://ck.kennt-wayne.de/media/ergodox_01.jpg | 15:32 |
sigmavirus24 | (from ergodox.org) | 15:33 |
tmcpeak | I'm a big fan of nice keyboards, although I've never gotten with the ergo stuff] | 15:33 |
sigmavirus24 | it's super comfortable | 15:33 |
tmcpeak | I like loud clicky keyboards | 15:33 |
elmiko | sigmavirus24: nice, one of the guys here at red hat is totally into building kb's too | 15:33 |
Daviey | sigmavirus24: nice find | 15:33 |
sigmavirus24 | As a guitarist for over a decade, I need ergonomic keyboards for all of the typing I do | 15:33 |
sigmavirus24 | elmiko: awesome. Keyboard building is a very welcoming but small club | 15:33 |
elmiko | seems like it | 15:33 |
tmcpeak | so how do you feel about the MS keyboards? | 15:34 |
Daviey | sigmavirus24: You... build.. keyboards? | 15:34 |
sigmavirus24 | I used to really like them tmcpeak | 15:34 |
sigmavirus24 | Daviey: these are F/OSS keyboards (at least the design/software are) | 15:34 |
sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: assuming you mean the MS naturals | 15:35 |
Daviey | sigmavirus24: Which mech' switches? | 15:35 |
tmcpeak | I should probably really learn to type on an ergo keyboard, but… my productivity would take a huge hit while getting used to it | 15:35 |
tmcpeak | sigmavirus24: yeah, those are the ones | 15:35 |
sigmavirus24 | Daviey: I have one keyboard with blues and one with clears | 15:35 |
sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: not really. it's a short hit | 15:35 |
elmiko | i really want to try this, https://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/advantage-pro-for-pc-mac/ | 15:35 |
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sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: that is what I used for a good 10 years | 15:35 |
sigmavirus24 | elmiko: the kinesis design is the basis for the ergodox except it's not based on really old tech with a ps/2 to usb connector | 15:36 |
tmcpeak | interesting.. | 15:36 |
sigmavirus24 | er ergodox design is based on the kinesis | 15:36 |
tmcpeak | that looks like it could be awesome | 15:36 |
elmiko | i'm just really curious about the typing experience | 15:36 |
sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: the thing with the MS Naturals is there are rubber domes which means every time you press the key you have to bottom out | 15:36 |
sigmavirus24 | which causes RSI over time | 15:36 |
tmcpeak | hmm | 15:36 |
sigmavirus24 | So while it's more comfortable for my wrists, I still get finger/hand pain | 15:36 |
sigmavirus24 | ergodox allows for wrist comfort and I don't have to bottom out to type | 15:37 |
Daviey | I've been meaning to learn Dvorak myself. | 15:37 |
tmcpeak | do they have any ergo, mechanical, loud keyboards? I'd probably be willing to try an ergo but *will not* give up my mechanical | 15:37 |
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tmcpeak | lol @ Dvorak | 15:37 |
sigmavirus24 | Daviey: Dvorak is good but you still have a problem where one hand may type more letters than another so you have more stress on one hand | 15:37 |
sigmavirus24 | My friend actually made his own layout so he could avoid digraphs on the same hand | 15:38 |
tmcpeak | wow | 15:38 |
sigmavirus24 | ^ The wonders of F/OSS software | 15:38 |
Daviey | sigmavirus24: I just spend my day copy and pasting from stack exchange, so it isn't that bad TBH | 15:38 |
sigmavirus24 | lol | 15:38 |
tmcpeak | lol | 15:38 |
elmiko | nice | 15:38 |
sigmavirus24 | This same friend just built a sumo wrestling robot and stuff which I have yet to see | 15:38 |
Daviey | http://www.theallium.com/engineering/computer-programming-to-be-officially-renamed-googling-stackoverflow/ | 15:38 |
elmiko | lol | 15:39 |
sigmavirus24 | Daviey: A+ | 15:39 |
tmcpeak | haha | 15:39 |
sigmavirus24 | sharing that with my team at work now | 15:39 |
Daviey | sigmavirus24: You interact with your team? You really need to outsource that. | 15:39 |
sigmavirus24 | Daviey: no joke | 15:40 |
Daviey | This changed my life, http://www.theonion.com/video/more-american-workers-outsourcing-own-jobs-oversea-14329 | 15:41 |
tmcpeak | lol, oh yeah - this is classic. There was actually a guy that got busted for doing this | 15:41 |
tmcpeak | he got caught because he company noticed somebody hitting the VPN from like Russia or something, it turned out it was the guy he had outsourced his job to | 15:42 |
tmcpeak | and he also had like 2 or 3 jobs | 15:42 |
Daviey | Yeah, they found a peculiarly large amount of VPN connections coming from India.. He even shipped them some RSA dongles. | 15:42 |
Daviey | right | 15:42 |
tmcpeak | http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117 | 15:42 |
Daviey | Russia, China, India.. All the same, right | 15:43 |
tmcpeak | ;) | 15:43 |
tmcpeak | as chair6 would say | 15:43 |
tmcpeak | living the dream | 15:43 |
tmcpeak | "It's possible that he is missed, though. His performance reviews were impeccable, and his company considered him the best developer in the building." | 15:44 |
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Daviey | A Friend recently took a 6 month sabbatical from their job, and was informed that due to their recent improved performance they were getting a promotion. Yes, they were better at their job by being absent. | 15:47 |
elmiko | w.t.f... | 15:47 |
tmcpeak | haha | 15:48 |
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sigmavirus24 | wow | 15:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Priti Desai proposed openstack/security-doc: Adding sample RST format https://review.openstack.org/203725 | 16:41 |
openstackgerrit | Priti Desai proposed openstack/security-doc: Adding sample RST format https://review.openstack.org/203725 | 16:41 |
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sicarie | hello! | 17:00 |
elmiko | yo | 17:00 |
elmiko | was just checking out pdesai patch =) | 17:00 |
pdesai | hi everyone | 17:00 |
pdesai | :) | 17:00 |
sicarie | ping Daviey | 17:01 |
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AJaeger | Hi, is Priti around? | 17:01 |
sicarie | AJaeger: welcome! | 17:01 |
sicarie | and yes | 17:01 |
pdesai | yes | 17:01 |
sicarie | elmiko: link? | 17:01 |
AJaeger | pdesai: I just saw your security guide RST patch - let's continue with mine instead, please | 17:02 |
elmiko | https://github.com/openstack/ | 17:02 |
AJaeger | sicarie: thanks! | 17:02 |
elmiko | oh, oops | 17:02 |
elmiko | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203725 | 17:02 |
sicarie | AJaeger: I believe you may be here to discuss ^ | 17:02 |
AJaeger | pdesai: https://review.openstack.org/202917 | 17:02 |
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AJaeger | elmiko, pdesai : yes, 203725 duplicates what I did last week in 202917... | 17:03 |
sicarie | shelleea007: welcome! | 17:03 |
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pdesai | :( | 17:03 |
elmiko | AJaeger: thanks for the update | 17:03 |
dg_ | hey people | 17:03 |
pdesai | i didnt notice we already have a patch | 17:03 |
pdesai | thats awesome | 17:03 |
Daviey | sicarie: hey! | 17:03 |
sicarie | dg_ we’re taking a look at https://review.openstack.org/202917 | 17:03 |
sicarie | welcome Daviey! | 17:03 |
AJaeger | pdesai: sicarie added you to it ;) | 17:03 |
AJaeger | pdesai: I suggest to go with my version, yours is slightly suboptimal. | 17:04 |
sicarie | Yep, I believe I added everyone here to it | 17:04 |
pdesai | yup checking, glad to know, i was in right direction :) | 17:05 |
AJaeger | pdesai: could you review mine and ask if you have questions... | 17:05 |
pdesai | Andreas, yup lets go with yours | 17:05 |
AJaeger | pdesai: There's no need to import the glossary, this can be done differently... | 17:05 |
AJaeger | pdesai: This syncs the glossary: https://review.openstack.org/202918 | 17:05 |
Daviey | AJaeger's is a foundation, most of it will be changed immediately after merge... I think it should just be merged asap | 17:06 |
AJaeger | Daviey: you shouldn't need to change anything, you build on top of it and add other files. | 17:07 |
AJaeger | Daviey: Or where do you see the need for changing (besides updating index.rst)? | 17:07 |
elmiko | if we can agree, should we just merge now? | 17:07 |
Daviey | AJaeger: No, I wasn't clear.. I just mean - yours is the basis to build on. | 17:08 |
AJaeger | ok, Daviey ! | 17:08 |
sicarie | elmiko: I’m for merging now as well | 17:08 |
AJaeger | Btw. I've also updated https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sec-guide-rst | 17:08 |
sicarie | AJaeger: thanks! | 17:09 |
Daviey | Once we have finished with migration to RST, can we think about going full circle and going back to LaTeX? | 17:09 |
shelleea007 | hi, i am paying attention, I assure you that I am. | 17:09 |
elmiko | unless there are objections, i'm adding +A to the rst patch | 17:09 |
AJaeger | Daviey: send patches ;) | 17:09 |
AJaeger | Daviey: I doubt that the Jenkins slaves have LaTeX packages installed | 17:09 |
Daviey | AJaeger: Oh, well - THAT issue couldn't be fixed :) | 17:10 |
sicarie | elmiko: we have a low “pending” number (there have been a few that are stale I need to push or propose against), let’s get a +/- from pdesai and dg_ | 17:10 |
sicarie | but I think we should be able to shortly | 17:10 |
elmiko | sicarie: agreed, i wanted to give them chance to say something | 17:10 |
sicarie | +1 | 17:10 |
dg_ | so this looks good to me in principal, are there specifics that you are looking for a +/- on? | 17:11 |
AJaeger | it builds locally, should publish to docs.o.o/draft/security-guide-rst and should follow the setup we do for other RST guides... | 17:12 |
sicarie | dg_ do you have any concerns about this? Anything that should be addressed before +1 workflow? | 17:12 |
AJaeger | dg_: If you spot anything, please ask | 17:13 |
sicarie | awesome +1 from pdesai | 17:13 |
sicarie | and just a reminder as to the overall process: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate | 17:13 |
pdesai | yup, +1 from me, as long as its published somewhere | 17:14 |
pdesai | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/17/202917/2/check/gate-security-doc-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild/751f110//publish-docs/draft/security-guide-rst/index.html | 17:14 |
dg_ | so, +1, provided - a) the workflow is documented so noobs, or people who dont touch it everyday can contribute, b) someone relatively independant has tested it | 17:15 |
dg_ | Im happy to step through the process and test it builds, but Im guessing you guys have already done that a lot! | 17:15 |
AJaeger | pdesai: Once it's up on docs.openstack.org/drafts/... I'll send a patch for http://docs.openstack.org/draft/draft-index.html - that's our secret index for draft documents ;) | 17:15 |
pdesai | :) | 17:16 |
pdesai | awesome | 17:16 |
AJaeger | dg_, pdesai: tox -e docs will only build the RST guide, tox -e checkbuild will build both DocBook and RST. | 17:16 |
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dg_ | gotcha | 17:17 |
pdesai | got it | 17:17 |
AJaeger | We use in the gate "tox -e checkbuild", tox -e docs is the shortcut we tell contributors for only building RST guides | 17:17 |
Daviey | So the conversion happens in the shadow of drafts, then when complete we flip the switch. Sounds good. | 17:18 |
pdesai | aah, i noticed openstack-manuals also has install-guides as one of the env. | 17:18 |
pdesai | which was helpful | 17:18 |
AJaeger | btw. I also send two cleanup changes for the specs repo, nothing urgent... - see https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/security-specs,n,z | 17:18 |
Daviey | The only question is, in the interim - do we ask contributors to write for both formats concurrently ? | 17:18 |
sicarie | Daviey: I think we should declare a freeze until we ‘flip the switch’ to RST | 17:18 |
AJaeger | Daviey: That's what we do with other guides. As soon as there is an RST file, we ask to get both changed. | 17:18 |
AJaeger | sicarie: that's an alternative. If you're quick with the conversion, I suggest going down that road... | 17:19 |
sicarie | AJaeger: I thought only one would exist after the conversion was validated? | 17:19 |
sicarie | Ah, gotcha | 17:19 |
Daviey | AJaeger / pdesai: typically, how long has it taken other projects to convert ? | 17:20 |
AJaeger | sicarie: Currently both documents get published. Once you finish the conversion, you need to delete the old guide from the repos, publish the new guide to a non-draft location, setup translations for the new guide. | 17:20 |
elmiko | i'm +1 for cranking on the conversion, all engines burn =) | 17:20 |
* AJaeger can help with the translation setup | 17:20 | |
pdesai | +1 from me too | 17:20 |
AJaeger | Daviey: The first project two guides took long but that was also due to it being new (2 months?) | 17:20 |
Daviey | AJaeger: Which raises the question of translations, are all the previous ones voided? | 17:20 |
AJaeger | I see us moving forward... | 17:20 |
sicarie | elmiko pdesai: do you have spare cycles this week you can validate? I should have some, but I won’t know how many until Weds | 17:21 |
AJaeger | Daviey: We lost 10-20 % of strings with the user guides due to different markup. | 17:21 |
* Daviey has NFI what the current translation coverage is | 17:21 | |
AJaeger | Daviey: But with User guides I was able to recover the rest with some tricks | 17:21 |
Daviey | nice | 17:21 |
elmiko | sicarie: just to be clear, we are talking about validating the converted docs? | 17:22 |
sicarie | yes, the RST | 17:22 |
AJaeger | Daviey: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/openstack-manuals-i18n/resource/security-guide/ - not sure if this works if you're not logged in | 17:22 |
AJaeger | Basically: Japanese 76 % | 17:22 |
AJaeger | Next best: Chinese with 8 % | 17:22 |
sicarie | so that we can declare a freeze, validate the RST, move RST in, delete docbook, ask all current & future changes to be RST | 17:22 |
AJaeger | So, you really only care about Japanese... | 17:22 |
elmiko | sicarie: ok, looks like it's empty in that patch. i'm a little confused, is there an automated converter from xml to rst? | 17:23 |
elmiko | or am i looking at the wrong thing | 17:23 |
AJaeger | elmiko: conversion from DocBook to RST has to be done file by file manually! | 17:23 |
elmiko | AJaeger: ok, thought so | 17:23 |
elmiko | sicarie: i'm certainly willing to start converting =) | 17:23 |
AJaeger | elmiko: see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate which explains the process | 17:23 |
elmiko | AJaeger: thanks! | 17:24 |
AJaeger | If you have any questions, ask on #openstack-doc | 17:24 |
elmiko | will do | 17:24 |
dg_ | ok | 17:24 |
sicarie | So do we have volunteers to spend some time converting docbook to RST? | 17:24 |
elmiko | ok, so just to be absolutely clear. we approve this first patch, then start putting up reviews for converted patches, then profit =) | 17:24 |
elmiko | sicarie: yea, i'll certainly grab a doc or 2 | 17:25 |
sicarie | elmiko: +1 | 17:25 |
Daviey | How are we coordinating this? | 17:25 |
dg_ | elmiko +1 | 17:25 |
pdesai | yup me too | 17:25 |
dg_ | i should have some cycles this week | 17:25 |
AJaeger | I suggest you have some kind of document to sync who works on what - let's avoid duplicated work like pdesai and my did. | 17:25 |
elmiko | Daviey: maybe an etherpad | 17:25 |
Daviey | wfm | 17:25 |
sicarie | Daviey: I’m looking to see if we have enough interest to do a sprint (bug freeze), and then work on the best way to divvy up the work | 17:25 |
sicarie | elmiko: my thoughts exactly | 17:25 |
elmiko | sicarie: you want to set it up? | 17:26 |
sicarie | sure | 17:26 |
AJaeger | For the manuals, we used the Migrate wiki page I referenced, but you can also use this etherpad since it has some structure already: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sec-guide-rst | 17:26 |
* Daviey votes for sicarie to arrange splitting up the work | 17:26 | |
* AJaeger doubts you do it in one week but likes to be proven wrong ;) | 17:26 | |
elmiko | well, AJaeger does have all the chapetrs broken out already in that pad | 17:26 |
AJaeger | elmiko: that wasn't me... | 17:27 |
pdesai | +1 to etherpad | 17:27 |
Daviey | Great, that is half of the challenge. Almost finished | 17:27 |
sicarie | Great, I’ll take a look at filesizes, probably do things like hand identity to pdesa, sahara to elmiko, etc… and document it in that etherpad, following up with an email when we have enough to start on | 17:27 |
elmiko | well, <insert kind being> does have all the chapters broken out already in that pad ;) | 17:27 |
AJaeger | ;) | 17:27 |
pdesai | that was me :) | 17:27 |
sicarie | May have been pdesai’s work? | 17:27 |
pdesai | yeah | 17:27 |
* elmiko bows to pdesai | 17:27 | |
pdesai | :) | 17:27 |
sicarie | yes, this is definitely very useful | 17:28 |
sicarie | well 2 min left | 17:28 |
sicarie | we have no pending bugs to traige | 17:28 |
AJaeger | elmiko: did you just +Workflow my patch? Give it at least a +2, otherwise Gerrit is not happy... | 17:28 |
* Daviey slaps sicarie to fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200755/ | 17:28 | |
elmiko | should we just put our irc nick at the end of the line we are working on? | 17:28 |
elmiko | AJaeger: done | 17:28 |
elmiko | AJaeger: do i need to toggle workflow again too? | 17:28 |
dg_ | sicarie Im happy to take a couple of chapters | 17:29 |
AJaeger | elmiko: hope not, let's wait - otherwise anybody can +workflow... | 17:29 |
sicarie | we did have a change submitted, but I was going to -1 it anyway, so I’ll explain we’re going into a freeze | 17:29 |
sicarie | dg_ awesome thanks! | 17:29 |
dg_ | please add the links above to the etherpad! | 17:29 |
sicarie | Last note is that the new proposed time for an official #openstack-meeting room failed so I’m going to take one last look at times, but probably request it stays here | 17:29 |
* AJaeger just adds +workflow to unconfuse gerrit ;) | 17:30 | |
sicarie | With that, I will update the ehterpad and send an email to all of you | 17:30 |
sicarie | Thanks! | 17:30 |
pdesai | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sec-guide-rst | 17:30 |
elmiko | awesome =) | 17:30 |
Daviey | sicarie: +1 for keeping meeting here | 17:30 |
pdesai | thanks guys | 17:30 |
sicarie | Daviey: that would be ideal, but infra doesn’t like to have meetings outside the -meeting* rooms | 17:30 |
sicarie | They talked about a possible exception, so we’ll see what they say | 17:31 |
AJaeger | btw.: You might get many merge conflicts since each of you adds to index.rst | 17:31 |
Daviey | sicarie: Did you have an additional conversation, or is this based on the one i had? | 17:31 |
AJaeger | One suggestion: Create a first patch that creates all the chapters and add them to index.rst | 17:31 |
sicarie | AJaeger: thanks! I will definitely take that note | 17:31 |
elmiko | AJaeger: good idea | 17:31 |
AJaeger | And then each of you enhances an existing file but does not need to touch index.rst - so no merge conflicts.... | 17:31 |
sicarie | Daviey: it was discussed in the comments of the change | 17:32 |
sicarie | Daviey: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200755/ | 17:32 |
sicarie | Cool, thanks everyone - I will be in touch shortly! | 17:33 |
pdesai | I have done some work on creating ch. i will take that up | 17:33 |
sicarie | AJaeger: thanks for joining! It’s greatly appreciated! | 17:33 |
elmiko | +1 | 17:33 |
sicarie | pdesai: awesome, I will note your will be the first commit and be watching for it | 17:33 |
pdesai | yup sure | 17:33 |
Daviey | sicarie: Just to be clear... sec-guide is now frozen | 17:34 |
Daviey | Does that include already inflight changes? | 17:34 |
sicarie | Daviey: yes | 17:35 |
elmiko | good question, we don't want to lose bug fixes | 17:35 |
AJaeger | sicarie: you're welcome... | 17:35 |
sicarie | elmiko: I did take a look, there are two by new contributors, and I will reach out to them and help them with their changes | 17:35 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/security-doc: Setup RST Security Guide https://review.openstack.org/202917 | 17:35 |
elmiko | sicarie: awesome, thanks | 17:36 |
sicarie | I have a pending change I forgot to touch up, and Daviey has two in-flight :( | 17:36 |
AJaeger | Why not quickly review and merge them? | 17:36 |
elmiko | yea, that's a good idea | 17:36 |
elmiko | Daviey, links? | 17:36 |
sicarie | ah, one of Daviey’s is an OSSN https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200303/ | 17:37 |
sicarie | The other is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199231/ | 17:37 |
sicarie | and mine is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196200/ | 17:37 |
sicarie | I’ll push updates to mine now | 17:38 |
elmiko | oh, 199231 is gonna take more conversation i think | 17:38 |
sicarie | Yeah | 17:38 |
sicarie | I think the effort might be better spent on converting and waiting to get that info right | 17:39 |
elmiko | definitely | 17:39 |
Daviey | One of mine is blocked on being too single vendor centric | 17:39 |
elmiko | that's the one we were talking about | 17:39 |
Daviey | i'll drop the docbook and restart it in somethign which doesn't make me want to make a bad life choice | 17:39 |
sicarie | hehe | 17:40 |
sicarie | +1 | 17:40 |
elmiko | Daviey: lol! | 17:40 |
Daviey | dg_: Are you going to the London event tomorrow? | 17:41 |
dg_ | Daviey unfortunately not, we heard about it at too short notice to sort out funding | 17:42 |
AJaeger | Here's the patch for draft-index: https://review.openstack.org/203743 | 17:43 |
Daviey | dg_: sad4u | 17:44 |
Daviey | AJaeger: You are a machine! | 17:44 |
dg_ | daviey tkelsey and i will try and get to the next one | 17:44 |
Daviey | AJaeger: Oh, i take that back.. I thought that was the full index. | 17:45 |
Daviey | dg_: great! | 17:45 |
elmiko | i think pdesai is doing the index, no? | 17:45 |
AJaeger | Daviey: no, didn't sign up for that patch ;) | 17:45 |
pdesai | yup i will setup index | 17:46 |
elmiko | AJaeger: does this draft get published somewhere? | 17:46 |
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openstackgerrit | Nathaniel Dillon proposed openstack/security-doc: Adding hypervisor and issue handling section to compute chapter https://review.openstack.org/196200 | 17:47 |
pdesai | http://docs.openstack.org/draft/draft-index.html | 17:47 |
sicarie | elmiko Daviey pdesai dg_ ^ (if it passes tox) | 17:47 |
elmiko | yup, reading now | 17:48 |
elmiko | thanks pdesai | 17:48 |
pdesai | sure | 17:49 |
AJaeger | elmiko: once https://review.openstack.org/203743 from the location that pdesai gave | 17:50 |
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elmiko | AJaeger: ok, yea, i was just wondering where they end up =) | 17:51 |
* sicarie adds fixing tox on his local system to his ‘to-do’ list | 17:57 | |
AJaeger | sicarie: you can build without tox as well... | 17:58 |
sicarie | AJaeger: is that the maven build stuff? | 17:58 |
AJaeger | sicarie: for RST there's no need to maven | 17:59 |
sicarie | Yeah, that fix I’m trying to push through I forgot a </link> tag | 17:59 |
AJaeger | sicarie: you even with maven, you do not need tox - it's just a bit more comfortable | 17:59 |
AJaeger | sicarie: let's do it again ;) | 17:59 |
sicarie | it’s added now, but if I can check before pushing this update, that woudl be preferred | 17:59 |
AJaeger | tox -e checksyntax is the quickest way for that | 18:00 |
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sicarie | yeah, I updated something, so now I’m getting Interpreter not found errors | 18:00 |
AJaeger | ;( | 18:01 |
AJaeger | sicarie: let jenkins test it ;) | 18:01 |
sicarie | AJaeger: done :) | 18:01 |
openstackgerrit | Nathaniel Dillon proposed openstack/security-doc: Adding hypervisor and issue handling section to compute chapter https://review.openstack.org/196200 | 18:01 |
AJaeger | sicarie: LGTM, let's hope Jenkins is happy as well. Thanks! | 18:02 |
openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals https://review.openstack.org/203752 | 18:09 |
sicarie | pdesai elmiko Daviey dg_ I have updated the etherpad | 18:11 |
sicarie | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sec-guide-rst | 18:11 |
sicarie | looks like we should each have 4 or 5 sections | 18:12 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals https://review.openstack.org/203752 | 18:25 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/security-doc: Adding hypervisor and issue handling section to compute chapter https://review.openstack.org/196200 | 18:39 |
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Daviey | pdesai: Hey, did you make an index? | 20:44 |
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openstackgerrit | Dave Walker proposed openstack/security-doc: Initial conversion of Compliance chapter to rst https://review.openstack.org/203822 | 21:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Dave Walker proposed openstack/security-doc: Initial conversion of Management chapter to rst https://review.openstack.org/203830 | 21:18 |
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Daviey | pdesai: around? | 21:23 |
pdesai | Daviey: yes | 21:28 |
Daviey | pdesai: I was just thinking about AJaeger's concern of getting the index.rst done first... I am guessing this is to avoid too many inflight branches fighting with merge conflicts.. | 21:29 |
pdesai | right, | 21:30 |
Daviey | If it is a PITA to pre-plan all the filenames.. does it make sense to have a long lived index.rst branch that is multiplayer, that the rest of us can Depend on, but also edit it as we need? | 21:30 |
elmiko | that could work too | 21:30 |
pdesai | yeah definitely, | 21:30 |
pdesai | it shouldnt take me longer than tonight to add index.rst | 21:31 |
Daviey | ok super | 21:31 |
pdesai | i was planning to add reference to all ch. files and create empty ch. files | 21:32 |
elmiko | oooh, that's nice | 21:32 |
Daviey | ok, that can work aswell. | 21:32 |
pdesai | perfect | 21:33 |
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pdesai | Daviey: there? | 22:09 |
Daviey | pdesai: always | 22:09 |
pdesai | hey | 22:12 |
pdesai | i can not add empty ch. files, as it not a valid rst format :( | 22:12 |
pdesai | so i am converting each ch. (without its sections) into rst | 22:13 |
Daviey | pdesai: hmm, ok | 22:14 |
Daviey | pdesai: That does mean we are likely to have to merge crap, rather than doing a proper review | 22:14 |
pdesai | nope, once i create ch. rst files with minimal content, we can work on individual chapters independetly | 22:17 |
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elmiko | pdesai: might be quick/more efficient to just create each chapter's rst with the title only in the body? | 22:36 |
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pdesai | yup | 22:46 |
pdesai | agree | 22:46 |
elmiko | cool, i might have misunderstood what you were planning. unless it was a hackathon of epic proportions ;) | 22:49 |
pdesai | :) i am just adding titles, i did endup converting each ch_ xml to rst but it has to formated carefully, just pandoc conversion is not sufficient, | 22:50 |
elmiko | ok cool | 22:51 |
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elmiko | pandoc is so useful | 22:51 |
pdesai | since index is a blocker right now, will just add minimal required content | 22:52 |
pdesai | :) | 22:52 |
elmiko | sounds good | 22:52 |
Daviey | Yeah, that sounds much better | 22:53 |
Daviey | I was worried we'd have to merge crap. | 22:54 |
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elmiko | nah, pdesai wouldn't do that to us ;) | 22:57 |
Daviey | Indeed | 22:58 |
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openstackgerrit | Priti Desai proposed openstack/security-doc: Setting up Index of Security Guide in RST format Index entries are same as in docbook format. https://review.openstack.org/203854 | 23:00 |
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openstackgerrit | Priti Desai proposed openstack/security-doc: Index in RST format Setting up Index of Security Guide in RST format Index entries are same as in docbook format. https://review.openstack.org/203854 | 23:01 |
pdesai | :) | 23:01 |
pdesai | lets wait for build results from https://review.openstack.org/203854 | 23:03 |
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viraptor | Daviey: you were looking for me before, I heard? | 23:03 |
viraptor | (stan, hp) | 23:04 |
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pdesai | elmiko, Daviey, signing out for now, will check tonight if i have to apply any changes to the patch for index, have fun | 23:09 |
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Daviey | viraptor: hey, i wanted to make sure you didnt mind me helping your openatack/requirements branch along by pushing another rev | 23:12 |
Daviey | (i disagree with idea of arbitrary lower versions, totally).. bu the version i added is > than supported distros) | 23:19 |
viraptor | Daviey: sure, thanks for speeding it up! - it really drags on... | 23:20 |
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