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| sdake | tmcpeak around at this hour? | 00:58 |
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| tmcpeak | sdake: hey buddy, off and on, what's up? | 01:19 |
| sdake | tmcpeak just wanted to inform you kolla's dedline for rc2 is oct10 | 01:19 |
| sdake | i highly doubt we will have tim eto sort out a ta between then and summit | 01:20 |
| sdake | not that I don't think its important | 01:20 |
| sdake | I think its *critical* | 01:20 |
| sdake | but releasing 3.0.0 on time is more critical if that makes any sense | 01:20 |
| sdake | so can we circle back around after summit or during summit? | 01:20 |
| sdake | not sure what succesor ptl has in mind | 01:21 |
| sdake | for summit that is | 01:21 |
| sdake | as in scheduling a vmt session or not | 01:21 |
| tmcpeak | sdake: successor PTL, same as old PTL :) | 01:21 |
| tmcpeak | sdake: during summit would be great if you guys have time | 01:21 |
| sdake | tmcpeak nah, i didn't run for kolla ptl this cycle | 01:21 |
| tmcpeak | oooh, successor from your side | 01:21 |
| tmcpeak | gotcha | 01:21 |
| tmcpeak | sdake: let somebody else have some fun? | 01:22 |
| tmcpeak | :) | 01:22 |
| sdake | ya or escape alive depending on your pov ;) | 01:22 |
| tmcpeak | hah, indeed | 01:22 |
| sdake | 3 years is a long time to ptl oen project | 01:23 |
| sdake | can cause wearyness | 01:23 |
| tmcpeak | damn, I didn't know it was that long | 01:23 |
| sdake | especially a project as busy as kolla | 01:23 |
| sdake | we floundered for the first year | 01:24 |
| tmcpeak | good man | 01:24 |
| sdake | we were on fire years 2 and 3 | 01:25 |
| sdake | and still are ;) | 01:25 |
| sdake | we have a prtty big footprint space wise at summit | 01:25 |
| sdake | i'd encourage hyakuhei- to reach out to inc0 to co-schedule a session on ta | 01:26 |
| sdake | maybe we can get some movement at summit | 01:26 |
| tmcpeak | sdake: cool, I'll let him know | 01:26 |
| sdake | thanks | 01:26 |
| tmcpeak | sdake: let's meet up for a beer at the summit or something :) | 01:26 |
| sdake | tmcpeak if i have time :) | 01:27 |
| sdake | tmcpeak i have alot of commitments to meet | 01:27 |
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| tmcpeak | sdake: I bet | 01:28 |
| sdake | tmcpeak re summit cosession, rather then suck up one of the security slots we could use a kolla slot | 01:29 |
| sdake | just a thought | 01:29 |
| sdake | :) | 01:29 |
| tmcpeak | sdake: that sounds great | 01:30 |
| tmcpeak | but we'll definitely allocate a slot to security review if needed | 01:30 |
| sdake | tmcpeak i think a conversation between inc0 and hyakuhei- could make that easier | 01:31 |
| sdake | they dont know each other | 01:31 |
| sdake | and aren't in each other's universes :) | 01:31 |
| sdake | lets get em connecte | 01:32 |
| sdake | d | 01:32 |
| tmcpeak | sdake: +1 | 01:33 |
| sdake | i typically try to keep all convos on public maiing lists | 01:34 |
| sdake | but in this case a personal introduction might help | 01:34 |
| tmcpeak | sdake: sure, hyakuhei- and I can show up to your meeting? | 01:34 |
| sdake | that works too, i was thinking email but meeting times soundsgood | 01:35 |
| tmcpeak | cool, when do you guys meet? | 01:35 |
| tmcpeak | I'll for sure show up and hopefully hyakuhei- can too | 01:36 |
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| sdake | tmcpeak our agenda is on the wiki - sometimes we use it sometimes we dont | 02:00 |
| sdake | 1600 utc wednesdays | 02:00 |
| sdake | if you or hyakuhei- appear, i'll make sure we get an intro going :) | 02:00 |
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| tmcpeak | sdake: sounds good, thanks! | 02:03 |
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| sdake | tmcpeak next week woudl be best i think | 02:05 |
| sdake | another option is i can bring inc0 to the security meeting | 02:06 |
| sdake | i think having you and hyakuhei- appear would have more impact tho | 02:06 |
| sdake | would result in the coresec team in kolla knowing this job neds to be done | 02:06 |
| sdake | the security team knows it | 02:06 |
| sdake | the kolla team sort of knows it | 02:06 |
| sdake | lets try to reinforce that :) | 02:06 |
| tmcpeak | sdake: that would be awesome! | 02:07 |
| tmcpeak | tomorrow work? | 02:07 |
| sdake | i'm not sure what inc0s' schedule is | 02:07 |
| sdake | i'll shoot him an email now | 02:07 |
| sdake | what time is your meeting in utc again ? | 02:07 |
| sdake | (I have on my calendar in non utc time) | 02:07 |
| tmcpeak | 1700 UTC | 02:07 |
| sdake | 1700 utc right? | 02:07 |
| sdake | cool so lets try to do both | 02:08 |
| sdake | get both ptls together in both meetings | 02:08 |
| tmcpeak | cool, sounds good | 02:08 |
| sdake | unified front and al lthat ;) | 02:08 |
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| tmcpeak | indeed! | 02:08 |
| sarnold | hello; is the openstack security team / vmt / etc officially supporting oslo.privsep? | 02:09 |
| tmcpeak | sarnold: what do you mean officially sponsor? | 02:11 |
| sarnold | tmcpeak: it appears that no one can actually see bugs against oslo.privsep that are filed "private security" | 02:11 |
| tmcpeak | sarnold: doesn't have "vulnerability managed" tag here | 02:12 |
| tmcpeak | https://governance.openstack.org/reference/projects/oslo.html#oslo-privsep | 02:12 |
| sarnold | tmcpeak: I'm curious who, if anyone, with the openstack security teams I ought to talk to, or if they'll just say "yeah, not ours" :) | 02:12 |
| sarnold | tmcpeak: aha, I haven't seen this before. nice. | 02:12 |
| tmcpeak | oslo probably has their own core security team that responds to private security bugs | 02:13 |
| sarnold | news to me | 02:14 |
| sarnold | tmcpeak: thanks for your help; I've hit the 'contact this team's admins' button on https://launchpad.net/~oslo-coresec too -- hopefully I'll have found someone somewhere who's interested in supporting this thing :) | 02:17 |
| tmcpeak | sarnold: sure, no problem | 02:19 |
| tmcpeak | what are you trying to do out of curiosity? | 02:19 |
| tmcpeak | you find something you're trying to get them to address? | 02:19 |
| sarnold | tmcpeak: yeah; I'm not sure if anything I found is even a bug, but I thought I'd give someone the chance to inspect it without too much pressure if possible | 02:21 |
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| tmcpeak | ahh ok, yeah file it to them, hopefully they pick it up | 02:22 |
| sarnold | I filed two of them yesterday; normally someone from the openstack security team replies quickly, even if just a "thanks we'll investigate" -- a day was out of character :) | 02:22 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah, welcome to the world of non-VMT managed :) | 02:23 |
| sarnold | :) | 02:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals https://review.openstack.org/379535 | 15:11 |
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| hyakuhei- | Hey sicarie | 15:49 |
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| coreycb | trisq, or anyone else, is there a reason why oslo.privsep is not covered by the openstack VMT or is that just a missing tag? | 16:04 |
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| coreycb | nkinder, hi, would you possibly have any insight to my question above? | 16:25 |
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| nkinder | coreycb: I'm not sure | 16:28 |
| coreycb | nkinder, any idea who might know? | 16:28 |
| nkinder | coreycb: tristanC might now | 16:40 |
| coreycb | nkinder, thanks. I guess I pinged the wrong nick above. | 16:41 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy: ^ | 16:41 |
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| browne | can someone who is an anchor core, please approve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342979/ | 16:55 |
| browne | we keep getting duplicate patches | 16:56 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: ^ | 16:58 |
| tkelsey | it already has my +2 | 16:59 |
| tmcpeak | ahh | 16:59 |
| tmcpeak | need another | 16:59 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei-: ^ | 16:59 |
| tkelsey | dg____ | 16:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/anchor: Remove discover from test-requirements https://review.openstack.org/342979 | 17:09 |
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| tmcpeak | lhinds: the struggles are almost over | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | I wrote a blog post this week on secure development guidance and Bandit | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | if you're being good children you'll have noticed its announcement on the ML | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | https://openstack-security.github.io/organization/2016/09/26/python-secure-development.html | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | blog posts are easy and a good way to make our work known to the community | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | unrahul: I'd encourage you guys to do a quick one for Syntribos | 17:16 |
| unrahul | agreed tmcpeak !.. we will definitely do a retrospective on the testing and on the tool soon.. | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | cool, just mention the kind of bugs you're finding | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | this is good stuff | 17:18 |
| unrahul | yup tmcpeak ... it would hopefully make the tool bit more popular as well.. so that others will also start using it. | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:24 |
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| sdake | hey tmcpeak - inc0 here | 17:36 |
| inc0 | hey:) nice to meet you guys | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | hi inc0 how's it going? | 17:36 |
| sdake | so i think best plan on this is meeting next wed in kolla's slot topic on TA | 17:37 |
| inc0 | pretty well, thanks, still adjusting to new role | 17:37 |
| inc0 | sorry for being late | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | no worries :) | 17:37 |
| sdake | inc0 everyone has to eat lucnh :) | 17:37 |
| sdake | i doo iff my wife feeds me ;) | 17:37 |
| inc0 | tmcpeak, so we do want our VMT finished out, do you guys have any feedback/prework we could do before summit to streamline the process? | 17:38 |
| inc0 | we want to be super secure deployment tool;) | 17:38 |
| sdake | inc0 the step we need for vmt is ta | 17:38 |
| sdake | everything else falls into place | 17:39 |
| sdake | and security team needs some beta testers :) | 17:39 |
| inc0 | so TA was started in Austin right? | 17:39 |
| inc0 | we've prepared bunch of docs on how Kolla is wired | 17:39 |
| sdake | right however the process has changed | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | inc0: yeah we've changed TA (security review) to scale better | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | so we'll need to map over what's been done to new process and finish up | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | shouldn't be too much work | 17:39 |
| inc0 | ok, so how does it look like now and how can we help? | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | inc0: if you guys have time the first step is producing a DFD like we did for Barbican | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-threat-analysis | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0osRPn3qBq5Ml9JOUVETDhJbVk/view | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | once that's ready we'll review with you guys to determine assets and security threats to those assets | 17:43 |
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| inc0_ | hey, sorry, my vpn died on me | 17:45 |
| inc0_ | looking at docs | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | no worries | 17:45 |
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| inc0_ | ok, so we already ran through assets I think | 17:48 |
| inc0_ | generally, we might need to revise it in terms of new service additions | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | inc0_: separately? what we did in Austin is a little different | 17:48 |
| inc0_ | I see | 17:49 |
| inc0_ | ok, so, we need to repeat this excersize right? | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | inc0_: yeah, but we can map some over | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | what we did before isn't a wash | 17:49 |
| inc0_ | we can do it just after next Wed meeting, so we won't need to rush things by meeting agenda | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | inc0_: review assets? ok cool | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | hopefully dg and hyakuhei can join | 17:50 |
| sdake | inc0_ i think thats one approach - another is to inform the team in the meeting its a prioirty :) | 17:50 |
| sdake | maybe both can be used | 17:50 |
| inc0_ | sdake, I want to talk about this on meeting too, but we have other stuff going on | 17:51 |
| inc0_ | and we don't need full community for it;) | 17:51 |
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| sdake | inc0_ right -this is just the coresec team from our side | 17:51 |
| inc0_ | I'll just make sure that we have enough people with deep arch knowledge of kolla to answer all the questions | 17:51 |
| sdake | inc0_ but we do need to recruit a capable coresec team | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | sdake: +1 | 17:52 |
| sdake | hencethe meeting time :) | 17:52 |
| inc0_ | anyway, let's do this later on, one thing at the time | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | inc0_, sdake cool | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | I'll join next week and we can discuss further | 17:52 |
| inc0_ | we already have volunteers from before | 17:52 |
| sdake | inc0_ some of those folks have dropped of the core team | 17:52 |
| inc0_ | sure, thanks tmcpeak and feel free to ping me on whatever you need | 17:52 |
| inc0_ | I'm at your disposal | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | inc0_: great, nice to meet you! | 17:53 |
| inc0_ | thing is, I'd expect every core reviewer to have security in mind | 17:53 |
| sdake | inc0_ right | 17:53 |
| sdake | it should be prioirty #1 | 17:53 |
| inc0_ | so instead of making coresec team I'd rather educate our whole core team;) | 17:53 |
| sdake | inc0_ vmt requries a subset of team | 17:53 |
| sdake | however educating whle team is useful imo | 17:54 |
| sdake | vmt wants max 5 people | 17:54 |
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| sdake | lets just reintroduce the idea - should take less then 5 minutes during the meeting | 17:55 |
| inc0_ | sdake, we are making this a agenda point, yes | 17:55 |
| inc0_ | but after meeting we can start actual analysys | 17:55 |
| sdake | sounds good to me | 17:55 |
| sdake | nice plan inc0_ | 17:55 |
| inc0_ | so we kick off some work right away | 17:55 |
| tmcpeak | sounds good | 17:56 |
| sdake | cool maybe we can get it done beffore summit then tmcpeak | 17:56 |
| sdake | although hard to say | 17:56 |
| inc0_ | if we just get to know what kind of info you guys need, we can fill out blanks on our own | 17:56 |
| inc0_ | and you'll review it afterwards | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | that would be awesome | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | I'll bring the other security review folks to your meeting so we can overview | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | dg has links to recent version of our guidance | 17:56 |
| inc0_ | and on summit we'll go through it together and work out framework to keep it up to date and all | 17:57 |
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| inc0_ | sounds good, thanks! | 17:57 |
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| sigmavirus | ccneill: is there some kind of OSSA goal for syntribos/OSIC that I'm unaware of? | 20:01 |
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| ccneill | nope - not that worried about getting an OSSA at this point. just want to make sure we're not sweeping something under the rug that is more prevalent than one would assume based on the current launchpad discussion. the only drive for OSSAs is based on whether everyone agrees that one is needed | 20:12 |
| ccneill | but by myself I can't determine exactly how prevalent it is - hence my explanations | 20:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/anchor: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/371094 | 22:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Charles Neill proposed openstack/syntribos: Adding Cinder extension support to templates https://review.openstack.org/379856 | 23:45 |
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