| aspiers | hi all, the first ever self-healing IRC meeting is in this channel less than 9 hours from now! 9am UTC http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Self-healing_SIG_Meeting | 00:18 |
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| aspiers | beekhof: you might even be able to attend :) | 00:19 |
| aspiers | and then there's one later at 5pm UTC | 00:19 |
| beekhof | aspiers: :) | 00:31 |
| beekhof | i might be at a town fire meeting, but otherwise i'll show my face | 00:31 |
| aspiers | ok | 00:31 |
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| aspiers | hi all | 09:00 |
| aspiers | who's around today? | 09:00 |
| ifat_afek | Hi :-) | 09:00 |
| aspiers | hi ifat_afek! | 09:00 |
| tojuvone | Hi Adam, Ifat | 09:01 |
| aspiers | hi Tomi :) | 09:01 |
| aspiers | I wonder if we have anyone else - the IRC meeting review only got merged yesterday | 09:01 |
| aspiers | so I expect most people didn't notice yet | 09:02 |
| Xiangyu | Hi Adam, I'm Xiangyu Li from China Mobile. | 09:02 |
| ifat_afek | Did you announce it on the mailing list? or did you discuss it in Berlin? | 09:02 |
| aspiers | #startmeeting self-healing | 09:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 21 09:02:47 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: self-healing)" | 09:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'self_healing' | 09:02 |
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| aspiers | Well it looks like we have critical mass for the first ever meeting :) | 09:03 |
| * witek waves | 09:03 | |
| aspiers | ifat_afek: yes, we discussed the meeting in Berlin. No, I meant to announce it on the list in the last day or two but I had too many things going on in my head so I forgot ;-/ | 09:04 |
| aspiers | hi witek! | 09:04 |
| aspiers | and hi Xiangyu! really glad you could make it | 09:04 |
| ifat_afek | aspiers: ok, thanks | 09:04 |
| aspiers | #action aspiers to announce the meeting times on the list | 09:04 |
| aspiers | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Self-healing_SIG_Meeting | 09:05 |
| aspiers | #topic Berlin recap | 09:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Berlin recap (Meeting topic: self-healing)" | 09:05 | |
| aspiers | OK, let's do a quick recap of the two Berlin sessions | 09:05 |
| aspiers | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/berlin-self-healing-sig-brainstorm | 09:06 |
| aspiers | That's the etherpad we used for both sessions | 09:06 |
| aspiers | The first session was a BoF, and the second was the Forum's official working group session for the SIG | 09:06 |
| aspiers | We tried to play the agenda for both by ear, depending on who was there and what they were interested in | 09:07 |
| aspiers | #action aspiers to send a recap of the Berlin sessions to the list (and maybe blog about it too) | 09:08 |
| aspiers | We had good attendance and some nice discussions | 09:08 |
| aspiers | Also there seems to still be quite a bit of interest in compute node HA | 09:08 |
| aspiers | There was one new interesting use case raised around memory leaks in OVS | 09:09 |
| aspiers | I think we had a volunteer to submit a use case to the repo for that, but I forgot to take a name | 09:10 |
| aspiers | #action try to find out who raised memory leak use case | 09:10 |
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| aspiers | I think we can talk about compute node HA as a separate topic in the next few minutes | 09:11 |
| aspiers | but first, any questions about the items in the etherpad? | 09:11 |
| aspiers | especially from people who weren't there | 09:11 |
| ifat_afek | Unfortunately I couldn’t attend this summit, seems like you had interesting discussions | 09:11 |
| ifat_afek | I’m going over them now... | 09:11 |
| aspiers | Yeah it was good, people came and went from the two sessions so I think we must have had more than 40 people in total | 09:12 |
| tojuvone | yes, we had plenty of people while room was hard to reach | 09:13 |
| aspiers | right, the room was the furthest away in the whole conference ;-) | 09:13 |
| aspiers | ifat_afek: there were questions about what to use for notification | 09:13 |
| ifat_afek | What kind of notification? | 09:13 |
| aspiers | sorry, I mean monitoring ;-) | 09:14 |
| aspiers | brain is not working yet | 09:14 |
| ifat_afek | Oh :-) | 09:14 |
| aspiers | I said that I thought the SIG should not be opinionated about that, but only assist in sharing knowledge | 09:14 |
| aspiers | about what is possible, or what is being worked on | 09:14 |
| ifat_afek | I’m familiar with Zabbix and a bit Prometheus. I’m not sure if the SIG should recommend monitors | 09:14 |
| aspiers | since some operators want to use monasca / zabbix etc. | 09:15 |
| ifat_afek | I would expect a general architecture that allows using different monitors | 09:15 |
| aspiers | exactly | 09:15 |
| ifat_afek | Of course, Monasca as well | 09:15 |
| aspiers | right | 09:15 |
| witek | Monasca gives great monitoring possibilities, which should also be listed with other options | 09:15 |
| ifat_afek | Right | 09:15 |
| aspiers | #action aspiers to update the SIG scope on the wiki home page to be clear about not being opinionated about which components to use | 09:16 |
| witek | Monasca having support for Prometheus, so Prometheus metrics can be scraped and stored in Monasca backend | 09:16 |
| ifat_afek | Sounds good | 09:16 |
| aspiers | #topic compute HA | 09:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "compute HA (Meeting topic: self-healing)" | 09:16 | |
| aspiers | since we have Xiangyu here, let's talk about compute HA | 09:17 |
| aspiers | there were two presentations on new solutions for compute HA | 09:17 |
| aspiers | one from China Mobile | 09:17 |
| aspiers | on Guardian | 09:17 |
| aspiers | and I am trying to remember the other one :) | 09:18 |
| aspiers | it's in my notes somewhere ... | 09:18 |
| aspiers | ah, found it | 09:18 |
| aspiers | https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/summit-schedule/events/22100/a-better-vm-ha-solution-split-brain-solving-and-host-network-fault-awareness | 09:18 |
| aspiers | sampath and I attended both talks and talked to the presenters afterwards | 09:18 |
| aspiers | to ask if they would like to collaborate with upstream, especially with masakari | 09:19 |
| aspiers | since masakari is already an official project doing compute HA | 09:19 |
| aspiers | both of the new solutions have some interesting features which masakari does not have, but they also overlap a lot too | 09:19 |
| aspiers | IIUC currently neither are open source yet, but there are plans to open source Guardian I think | 09:20 |
| ifat_afek | Were they aware of Masakari? | 09:20 |
| aspiers | I think so | 09:20 |
| aspiers | the Fiberhome solution decided to avoid existing solutions, but the reasons they gave did not make sense to me | 09:21 |
| aspiers | but maybe I was missing something | 09:21 |
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| aspiers | Xiangyu: would you like to say anything about Guardian? | 09:22 |
| aspiers | e.g. possibility to collaborate upstream? | 09:22 |
| Xiangyu | yes, we would like to share our gains. | 09:23 |
| aspiers | BTW we heard from Chinese contributors in a separate session (TC community outreach) that IRC meetings are sometimes difficult for Chinese contributors, so I'm really glad to see you here :) | 09:23 |
| aspiers | Xiangyu: I see you are on #openstack-masakari too, so we can discuss there also | 09:24 |
| Xiangyu | Guardian is also focus on VM HA now, and has some special features. | 09:25 |
| aspiers | yes it has some nice features, so it would be great to converge to one solution upstream | 09:25 |
| aspiers | maybe we can set up a separate meeting with samP about this? | 09:25 |
| Xiangyu | I'm also very glad to join in this meeting. | 09:25 |
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| Xiangyu | yes, of course. | 09:26 |
| aspiers | OK, great! I am always available in IRC to discuss, since I know masakari reasonably well | 09:26 |
| aspiers | and I know samP is keen to discuss too | 09:27 |
| aspiers | OK, I guess we don't need to go into the details of that now | 09:27 |
| aspiers | #topic raising awareness of the SIG | 09:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "raising awareness of the SIG (Meeting topic: self-healing)" | 09:27 | |
| aspiers | I raised this topic in a seperate Forum session https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/expose-sigs-and-wgs | 09:27 |
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| aspiers | actually, Rico Lin raised it | 09:28 |
| aspiers | but there are a few different aspects: | 09:28 |
| aspiers | 1. collecting feedback from users/ops | 09:28 |
| aspiers | 2. coordinating work across projects | 09:29 |
| aspiers | 3. finding developers | 09:29 |
| aspiers | self-healing SIG currently needs help most with 1. | 09:29 |
| aspiers | I think 2. is already working fine via Storyboard and we have a specs template too (not used yet, but hopefully soon!) | 09:29 |
| ifat_afek | Sorry to interrupt, I need to leave for another meeting… I plan to join the second meeting today | 09:30 |
| aspiers | IIRC the session agreed that 3. is not a good idea. If the devs are available, they are available. If not, there is no magic solution to find them | 09:30 |
| aspiers | no problem ifat_afek, thanks a lot for coming and see you later! | 09:30 |
| aspiers | if anyone has ideas on how to increase engagement with ops/users, it would be really helpful to hear them | 09:31 |
| aspiers | either now or later on IRC or the mailing list | 09:31 |
| witek | ad. 2 do we have the link to specs page on wiki? | 09:31 |
| aspiers | good question | 09:32 |
| aspiers | well, there is a link yes | 09:32 |
| aspiers | second link under https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Self-healing_SIG#Community_Infrastructure_.2F_Resources | 09:32 |
| witek | got it | 09:32 |
| aspiers | but it's called "Official SIG documentation" so maybe it's not obvious enough | 09:33 |
| aspiers | #action aspiers to clarify docs link on wiki page | 09:33 |
| aspiers | #action aspiers to update meeting info in wiki page | 09:33 |
| aspiers | just noticed that too ;-) | 09:33 |
| witek | ad. 1 should we advertise StoryBoard as the place to collect user stories from ops? | 09:34 |
| witek | is it the right tool? | 09:34 |
| aspiers | I'm not sure | 09:34 |
| aspiers | it's a lot better than nothing | 09:34 |
| witek | :) | 09:34 |
| aspiers | personally I think I would prefer them to first discuss on IRC or mailing list | 09:34 |
| aspiers | and then submit to the git repo | 09:34 |
| aspiers | but Storyboard could be used to track it too | 09:35 |
| aspiers | Rico did originally suggest this | 09:35 |
| aspiers | so we should probably try it and see how it goes | 09:35 |
| witek | as of now, git repo holds implemented use cases and has a place for design documents | 09:36 |
| aspiers | #action aspiers to put another call for user stories out to the list | 09:36 |
| aspiers | right | 09:36 |
| aspiers | but the git repo can hold unimplemented use cases too :) | 09:36 |
| aspiers | that was always my intention | 09:36 |
| witek | IRC or mailing list is good, proposing a spec is more effort and could be a barrier I think | 09:36 |
| aspiers | although I'm not sure if I made that clear | 09:37 |
| aspiers | I agree, spec is more about technical details of implementation | 09:37 |
| aspiers | spec would only happen once there are developers on board | 09:37 |
| aspiers | so maybe we need a "How To Contribute" document | 09:37 |
| aspiers | to make this clear | 09:37 |
| tojuvone | Maybe some short instructions to write a story if not irc first | 09:38 |
| aspiers | yes | 09:38 |
| aspiers | ah | 09:38 |
| tojuvone | it is easy to write | 09:38 |
| aspiers | I just remembered | 09:38 |
| aspiers | https://docs.openstack.org/self-healing-sig/latest/meta/CONTRIBUTING.html | 09:38 |
| aspiers | I wrote this :-) | 09:38 |
| aspiers | #action improve CONTRIBUTING.rst to explain how / when to propose stories / specs | 09:39 |
| aspiers | #action link to CONTRIBUTING.html from wiki page | 09:39 |
| aspiers | OK | 09:40 |
| aspiers | tojuvone: do you want to discuss Fenix a bit? | 09:40 |
| tojuvone | well, ifat_afek is not present | 09:40 |
| tojuvone | maybe just some words | 09:40 |
| aspiers | ah, OK we can discuss later today too | 09:41 |
| aspiers | #topic Fenix (new project) | 09:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Fenix (new project) (Meeting topic: self-healing)" | 09:41 | |
| tojuvone | So, there is new project: Fenix - Rolling maintenance, upgrade and scaling | 09:41 |
| aspiers | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fenix | 09:41 |
| tojuvone | I introdicid a bit in session | 09:41 |
| tojuvone | and one can find link to it from the etherpad | 09:41 |
| tojuvone | read and reach to know more | 09:42 |
| aspiers | do you have an IRC channel? | 09:42 |
| tojuvone | just the bit for any self-healing project like Vitrage and Masakari | 09:42 |
| tojuvone | #link https://fenix.readthedocs.io/en/latest/notification/notifications.html#admin | 09:42 |
| tojuvone | So as Fenix does maintenance there is a notification telling host is in maintenance or not | 09:43 |
| tojuvone | so this awareness might be good for those projects | 09:43 |
| tojuvone | Yes, irc is: #openstack-fenix | 09:43 |
| * aspiers joins :) | 09:43 | |
| aspiers | OK cool | 09:44 |
| tojuvone | Maybe not more for here now | 09:44 |
| aspiers | let's discuss again with ifat_afek at the meeting later today | 09:44 |
| aspiers | thanks tojuvone :) | 09:44 |
| aspiers | #topic AOB (Any Other Business) | 09:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Any Other Business) (Meeting topic: self-healing)" | 09:44 | |
| aspiers | does anyone else want to bring up any other topics? | 09:44 |
| aspiers | witek: anything from you? | 09:45 |
| witek | perhaps short update from previous virtual Vitrage PTG | 09:45 |
| aspiers | oh that would be great! | 09:45 |
| witek | I have joined to discuss Monasca - Vitrage integration | 09:45 |
| aspiers | very nice :) | 09:46 |
| witek | we've created three stories in StoryBoard for this | 09:46 |
| aspiers | this was one of the big gaps in Vitrage IIUC | 09:46 |
| witek | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2004064 | 09:46 |
| witek | unfortunately we don't have anyone who could work on this now :( | 09:47 |
| aspiers | ah :/ | 09:47 |
| witek | looking for developers | 09:47 |
| aspiers | well, a plan is a good start anyway | 09:47 |
| aspiers | maybe this SIG can help find developers | 09:47 |
| witek | that's our hope, too | 09:48 |
| aspiers | I have added the link in line 74 of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/self-healing-project-integrations | 09:48 |
| witek | thanks | 09:48 |
| aspiers | I would love to work on that, but won't be able to any time soon :-/ | 09:48 |
| aspiers | maybe in the future | 09:48 |
| aspiers | can you share a link to the virtual PTG? | 09:49 |
| witek | the work item seems pretty well defined, so it should be well suited for new developers | 09:49 |
| aspiers | nice | 09:49 |
| witek | also, we're willing to help | 09:49 |
| witek | I'd have to dig for the PTG link | 09:50 |
| aspiers | I think it's https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-ptg-queens | 09:50 |
| aspiers | no | 09:50 |
| aspiers | that's old | 09:50 |
| aspiers | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-stein-ptg | 09:51 |
| aspiers | that one, right? | 09:51 |
| witek | yes, thanks | 09:52 |
| aspiers | cool | 09:52 |
| aspiers | OK, anything else anyone wants to mention? | 09:52 |
| aspiers | I think we are pretty much done | 09:52 |
| tojuvone | nothing from my side | 09:53 |
| aspiers | of course anyone is very welcome to also join the Americas/EMEA session in ~7 hours from now | 09:53 |
| aspiers | hopefully ekcs will be joining then too | 09:53 |
| aspiers | since I might have to drop early from that one :-o | 09:53 |
| aspiers | and of course anyone is free to chat in this channel at any other times too | 09:54 |
| aspiers | thanks a lot everyone and bye for now! | 09:54 |
| aspiers | o/ | 09:54 |
| witek | thanks everyone, bye | 09:54 |
| tojuvone | tnaks, byez | 09:54 |
| aspiers | #endmeeting | 09:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Self_healing_SIG | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/917" | 09:54 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 21 09:54:56 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/self_healing/2018/self_healing.2018-11-21-09.02.html | 09:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/self_healing/2018/self_healing.2018-11-21-09.02.txt | 09:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/self_healing/2018/self_healing.2018-11-21-09.02.log.html | 09:55 |
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| aspiers | o/ | 17:01 |
| ifat_afek | Hi | 17:02 |
| ifat_afek | I got confused about the meeting hour… and I need to leave in 10 minutes :-( | 17:03 |
| aspiers | that's fine | 17:05 |
| aspiers | I managed to double-book myself anyway :-o | 17:05 |
| aspiers | so I will try to multi-task | 17:06 |
| aspiers | ifat_afek: unless you were just planning to listen in? | 17:06 |
| aspiers | but if you have anything you wanna discuss, we can chat quickly | 17:06 |
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| ifat_afek | aspiers: I can’t listen either sorry…. leaving now | 17:12 |
| aspiers | no problem! | 17:12 |
| aspiers | OK, I guess we don't have critical mass for today :) That actually solves my double-booking mistake anyway ;) | 17:12 |
| ifat_afek | See you in two weeks (unless we’ll have some email discussions :-)) | 17:12 |
| aspiers | Sounds good, thanks! | 17:12 |
| ifat_afek | Happy to help ;-) | 17:12 |
| aspiers | haha | 17:12 |
| aspiers | see ya ;-) | 17:13 |
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| tojuvone | Hi, also here | 17:15 |
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