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| openstackgerrit | Vieri proposed openstack/ha-guide master: Change openstack-dev to openstack-discuss https://review.openstack.org/622786 | 04:11 |
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| witek | good morning | 09:02 |
| ifat_afek | Hi :-) | 09:02 |
| witek | aspiers: are you around? | 09:03 |
| ifat_afek | witek: since you are here, have a look | 09:09 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/622899/ | 09:09 |
| ifat_afek | Trove contributors pushed a draft of Monasca datasource :-) | 09:10 |
| witek | fantastic! | 09:10 |
| ifat_afek | And here is the POC demo they showed in Berlin, in case you didn’t see it | 09:10 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://www.openstack.org/videos/berlin-2018/towards-production-grade-database-as-a-service-in-openstack | 09:10 |
| witek | no, I've missed that one | 09:11 |
| witek | have you talked with them? | 09:11 |
| ifat_afek | Yes (later, I didn’t attend the summit). I understood that they finished the POC but don’t have time to finish the datasource. I asked them to push what they have so hopefully one of us can go on with it | 09:12 |
| ifat_afek | I also invited them to join the SIG, but I’m not sure they will | 09:13 |
| ifat_afek | They pushed the code about 5 min ago :-) | 09:13 |
| witek | added myself to review as well | 09:14 |
| aspiers | ifat_afek, witek: argh sorry guys | 09:29 |
| aspiers | that's great news though | 09:31 |
| witek | no worries | 09:31 |
| witek | funny, that we've just talked about Monasca datasource in Vitrage last time :) | 09:32 |
| aspiers | indeed :) | 09:32 |
| ifat_afek | I’m very happy that we’ll have this datasource. It’s really important | 09:32 |
| ifat_afek | I didn’t review it yet though, so I don’t have an estimation of the amount of work left | 09:32 |
| aspiers | #startmeeting self-healing | 09:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 5 09:33:01 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: self-healing)" | 09:33 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'self_healing' | 09:33 |
| aspiers | since we're here I might as well officially record what we're talking about :) | 09:33 |
| aspiers | in case anyone checks for minutes | 09:33 |
| aspiers | #topic Monasca datasource in Vitrage | 09:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Monasca datasource in Vitrage (Meeting topic: self-healing)" | 09:33 | |
| aspiers | <ifat_afek> Trove contributors pushed a draft of Monasca datasource :-) | 09:34 |
| aspiers | <ifat_afek> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/622899/ | 09:34 |
| aspiers | <ifat_afek> And here is the POC demo they showed in Berlin, in case you didn’t see it | 09:34 |
| aspiers | <ifat_afek> #link https://www.openstack.org/videos/berlin-2018/towards-production-grade-database-as-a-service-in-openstack | 09:34 |
| aspiers | <witek> have you talked with them? | 09:35 |
| aspiers | <ifat_afek> Yes (later, I didn’t attend the summit). I understood that they finished the POC but don’t have time to finish the datasource. I asked them to push what they have so hopefully one of us can go on with it | 09:35 |
| aspiers | looks like we already have a story for this https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2004064 | 09:36 |
| ifat_afek | Great, so we can update the commit message | 09:36 |
| witek | correct | 09:36 |
| aspiers | yup | 09:36 |
| aspiers | and it's already linked from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/self-healing-project-integrations | 09:36 |
| witek | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2004064 | 09:36 |
| aspiers | #topic actions from last meeting | 09:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: self-healing)" | 09:37 | |
| aspiers | Eric and I have been doing a little bit of work on actions from last meeting | 09:37 |
| aspiers | the actions are in the minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/self_healing/2018/self_healing.2018-11-21-09.02.html | 09:37 |
| aspiers | I've submitted storyboard tasks for some of the actions | 09:38 |
| aspiers | others were simple so I just did them | 09:38 |
| aspiers | ekcs submitted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/620424/ | 09:38 |
| aspiers | I think we can easily finish that off, maybe I'll do it later today | 09:39 |
| aspiers | new stories: | 09:39 |
| aspiers | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2004537 (Encourage more participation in SIG) | 09:39 |
| ifat_afek | You forgot #link | 09:40 |
| aspiers | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2004536 (Make it clearer how to contribute to the self-healing SIG) | 09:40 |
| aspiers | I don't think #link is needed | 09:40 |
| aspiers | IIRC the bot picks up all links | 09:40 |
| aspiers | maybe I'm wrong | 09:40 |
| ifat_afek | This is what I thought, I’ll check it | 09:40 |
| aspiers | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2004537 (Encourage more participation in SIG) | 09:40 |
| aspiers | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2004536 (Make it clearer how to contribute to the self-healing SIG) | 09:41 |
| aspiers | just in case :) | 09:41 |
| ifat_afek | So now we won’t be able to tell if it worked :-) | 09:41 |
| witek | I think it picks all the lines starting with the URL | 09:41 |
| aspiers | we'll see when I end the meeting ;-) | 09:41 |
| ifat_afek | Ok, thanks | 09:41 |
| witek | not ones with URL inside | 09:41 |
| aspiers | I doubt it has deduplication | 09:42 |
| aspiers | ah yeah, maybe | 09:42 |
| aspiers | hehe :) | 09:42 |
| aspiers | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2004535 (Self-healing for memory leaks | StoryBoard) | 09:42 |
| aspiers | I think that's it | 09:42 |
| aspiers | #topic AOB (Any Other Business) | 09:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Any Other Business) (Meeting topic: self-healing)" | 09:42 | |
| aspiers | I think that's all I had | 09:43 |
| aspiers | oh, progress with HA guide is slow but real :) | 09:43 |
| aspiers | anyone want to raise anything else? | 09:43 |
| ifat_afek | Nothing on my side | 09:43 |
| aspiers | oh yeah, I just remembered | 09:43 |
| aspiers | the health checking TC discussion | 09:44 |
| aspiers | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2018-December/000599.html | 09:44 |
| aspiers | just started yesterday | 09:44 |
| aspiers | I hope my assumption was correct that this could be very useful for Vitrage | 09:44 |
| ifat_afek | I just noticed you sent it, I’ll go over the discussion | 09:45 |
| aspiers | cool | 09:45 |
| aspiers | I updated https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001439 (Drive health check APIs for OpenStack infrastructure) accordingly | 09:45 |
| aspiers | we can use this line to test the #-link behaviour ;-) | 09:45 |
| ifat_afek | :-) | 09:46 |
| witek | :) | 09:46 |
| aspiers | alright, I guess we can wrap it up here then | 09:46 |
| aspiers | sorry I was late! | 09:47 |
| witek | thanks aspiers for updating StoryBoard | 09:47 |
| ifat_afek | +1 | 09:47 |
| aspiers | yw, thanks for turning up to the meeting ;-) | 09:47 |
| witek | it's easier to find AIs | 09:47 |
| ifat_afek | BTW, I won’t be able to attend the second meeting today | 09:47 |
| aspiers | no problem at all | 09:47 |
| aspiers | I don't expect anyone expect myself to attend both | 09:47 |
| witek | same for me probably | 09:47 |
| aspiers | *anyone except :) | 09:47 |
| aspiers | #endmeeting | 09:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Self_healing_SIG | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/openstack/self-healing-sig" | 09:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 5 09:48:25 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/self_healing/2018/self_healing.2018-12-05-09.33.html | 09:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/self_healing/2018/self_healing.2018-12-05-09.33.txt | 09:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/self_healing/2018/self_healing.2018-12-05-09.33.log.html | 09:48 |
| aspiers | so witek was right :) | 09:48 |
| aspiers | links are only picked up if they start the line or have #link | 09:49 |
| ifat_afek | Good to know | 09:49 |
| aspiers | yup | 09:49 |
| aspiers | I wonder if #link has any point at all | 09:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ha-guide master: Change openstack-dev to openstack-discuss https://review.openstack.org/622786 | 10:20 |
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| quadam | Hello everyone | 12:39 |
| quadam | What forms of healing are you doing on your self? | 12:39 |
| quadam | I wrote some articles they are mainly in Turkish though I have some articles that are in English too | 12:40 |
| quadam | https://medium.com/sifagonullusu/english/home | 12:40 |
| quadam | I mainly do Regression and Healing for Past Lives and Dispelling/Removing Curses lately | 12:41 |
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| aspiers | hi | 17:04 |
| aspiers | tsk, I'm late again | 17:04 |
| aspiers | anyone around? | 17:04 |
| aspiers | hi quadam | 17:05 |
| ekcs | hi aspiers | 17:05 |
| aspiers | ahhh haha, quadam this is not that type of self-healing!! X-D | 17:05 |
| aspiers | hey ekcs :) | 17:05 |
| aspiers | #startmeeting self-healing | 17:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 5 17:07:18 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: self-healing)" | 17:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'self_healing' | 17:07 |
| aspiers | ekcs: did you see the minutes from earlier today? no worries if not | 17:07 |
| ekcs | yup. I just read it. | 17:07 |
| aspiers | cool | 17:08 |
| aspiers | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/self_healing/2018/self_healing.2018-12-05-09.33.html in case anyone else is wondering | 17:08 |
| aspiers | #topic actions from meeting two weeks ago | 17:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from meeting two weeks ago (Meeting topic: self-healing)" | 17:08 | |
| aspiers | I think I've either taken care of each action, or added it to storyboard | 17:08 |
| aspiers | but let me know if I've missed anything | 17:09 |
| ekcs | yup. | 17:09 |
| aspiers | I also got a mail from (I guess) the same person who contacted Ifat earlier about the monasca/vitrage integration work | 17:09 |
| aspiers | it was a very helpful and encouraging mail, so I'll respond soon | 17:10 |
| aspiers | I only have a couple of things to discuss | 17:10 |
| ekcs | that’s great! | 17:10 |
| aspiers | #topic clarifying how to contribute to the SIG | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "clarifying how to contribute to the SIG (Meeting topic: self-healing)" | 17:10 | |
| aspiers | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/620424/ | 17:10 |
| aspiers | did my review make sense? | 17:11 |
| aspiers | e.g. the thing about how to handle implemented vs. not-yet-implemented use cases | 17:11 |
| aspiers | I'm currently thinking an extra section in the template makes the most sense | 17:12 |
| ekcs | yes thanks for the comments! | 17:14 |
| ekcs | i’m not totally clear on the “status” idea. | 17:14 |
| aspiers | so I think we definitely want to allow both use cases which are and aren't implemented | 17:14 |
| aspiers | e.g. the memory leaks one suggested in Berlin has no "upstream" implementation yet | 17:15 |
| aspiers | but describing the problem is a good first step towards that | 17:15 |
| aspiers | the question is, how should we split those two categories up? into separate subdirectories is one possibility, but I think that's problematic | 17:16 |
| aspiers | e.g. it would require moving the file when an implementation emerges, and the categories aren't really binary black-and-white anyway | 17:16 |
| aspiers | so I'd prefer a "Current status" section in the template, which allows a freeform text description of the status | 17:17 |
| ekcs | hmmm. | 17:18 |
| aspiers | allowing things like "this bit is implemented, but this other bit isn't yet" | 17:18 |
| aspiers | which can give more clarity | 17:18 |
| ekcs | ah i see. | 17:18 |
| ekcs | ok just to clarify, you mean this would be in categorizing use-cases | 17:18 |
| ekcs | what about specs? | 17:18 |
| aspiers | for use cases, yes | 17:18 |
| aspiers | I think specs could be handled in the way they are handled in other repos | 17:19 |
| ekcs | ok so specs are still separate. | 17:19 |
| aspiers | yup | 17:19 |
| aspiers | specs are for focusing on specific implementation details | 17:19 |
| ekcs | so up till now use casse have been used for implemented cases. | 17:20 |
| aspiers | yes, that would continue | 17:20 |
| aspiers | specs are only for driving future dev work | 17:20 |
| aspiers | sorry | 17:20 |
| aspiers | maybe I wasn't clear here :) | 17:20 |
| aspiers | let me rephrase | 17:20 |
| aspiers | your point is that up till now, use-cases have *only* been used for implemented cases, and not for unimplemented? | 17:21 |
| aspiers | I'm not sure that's true actually | 17:21 |
| ekcs | ok. | 17:21 |
| aspiers | https://docs.openstack.org/self-healing-sig/latest/use-cases/fenix-rolling-upgrade.html is arguably not yet implemented | 17:22 |
| aspiers | at least not fully | 17:22 |
| aspiers | which sort of demonstrates my point that "implemented vs. unimplemented" isn't a straightforward binary choice | 17:22 |
| ekcs | so going forward we want use-cases to be used for use-cases at all stages of implementation. not started, in progress. completed. and everything in between. | 17:22 |
| aspiers | exactly! | 17:22 |
| aspiers | and a "Current status" section can give info on the status, or at least clues for where to look | 17:23 |
| aspiers | e.g. it could just say "go check this storyboard story" | 17:23 |
| ekcs | yea that makes sense. | 17:23 |
| aspiers | that's up to the use case owner | 17:23 |
| aspiers | OK great, let's take that approach then | 17:23 |
| ekcs | still I think at some point we want to draw some kind of categorization. | 17:23 |
| aspiers | #agreed Add a "Current status" section to use-cases/*.rst | 17:24 |
| ekcs | for that someone who’s just looking to see how to use things won’t be confused or mislead by the unimplemented use cases. | 17:24 |
| aspiers | We could separate them out in the index.rst, would that work? | 17:24 |
| ekcs | it doesn’t have to be a separate dir but yes separate in index.rst can work | 17:25 |
| aspiers | OK | 17:25 |
| aspiers | I don't want to rule a separate dir out either | 17:25 |
| aspiers | but I think for now we don't need it | 17:25 |
| ekcs | ok not be belabor this too much. | 17:25 |
| aspiers | right :) | 17:25 |
| ekcs | but what’s the real disadvantage of separate dir? | 17:25 |
| aspiers | mainly that it's not always clear which dir a use case should go in | 17:26 |
| aspiers | e.g. the fenix one | 17:26 |
| ekcs | it could help people who are just browsing git dir | 17:26 |
| ekcs | ok | 17:26 |
| ekcs | yea let’s just do with same dir then. | 17:27 |
| aspiers | ok | 17:27 |
| aspiers | #agreed stick with a single use-cases/ directory for now | 17:27 |
| aspiers | #topic where to store high-level SIG info | 17:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "where to store high-level SIG info (Meeting topic: self-healing)" | 17:27 | |
| aspiers | so this is another thing which came up in that review | 17:27 |
| aspiers | currently the SIG mission statement / scope are in the wiki | 17:27 |
| aspiers | which is not subject to peer review | 17:27 |
| aspiers | for that reason I think I'd prefer to move it to the git repo | 17:28 |
| aspiers | e.g. I added a paragraph to the scope yesterday, but doing that didn't feel very democratic ;-) | 17:28 |
| aspiers | do you think it's reasonable to move the more static info from the wiki into the git repo? | 17:29 |
| aspiers | we could keep the more fluid sections in the wiki, e.g. upcoming and past events | 17:29 |
| aspiers | but the rest could be moved to the docs and replaced with a link | 17:29 |
| aspiers | maybe the project contacts could stay there too, I don't know | 17:30 |
| ekcs | that makes sense. I agree that ultimately reviewed is better. at the same time, I feel it’s beneficial but not high priority at this point. | 17:30 |
| aspiers | it probably doesn't matter too much | 17:30 |
| aspiers | agreed | 17:30 |
| aspiers | #agreed would be nice to move more static info about the SIG from the wiki to the git repo, but not high priority | 17:31 |
| aspiers | #topic AOB | 17:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: self-healing)" | 17:31 | |
| aspiers | I think that's all I've got | 17:31 |
| aspiers | anything from you? | 17:31 |
| ekcs | no nothing more. | 17:31 |
| aspiers | OK cool, thanks! | 17:32 |
| aspiers | #endmeeting | 17:32 |
| ekcs | i’ll finish up the patch. | 17:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Self_healing_SIG | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/openstack/self-healing-sig" | 17:32 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 5 17:32:14 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/self_healing/2018/self_healing.2018-12-05-17.07.html | 17:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/self_healing/2018/self_healing.2018-12-05-17.07.txt | 17:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/self_healing/2018/self_healing.2018-12-05-17.07.log.html | 17:32 |
| aspiers | awesome | 17:32 |
| ekcs | based on our discussions. | 17:32 |
| aspiers | OK great, catch you soon :) | 17:32 |
| ekcs | ok later. thanks aspiers ! | 17:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eric Kao proposed openstack/self-healing-sig master: improve CONTRIBUTING.rst to explain how/when to propose stories/specs https://review.openstack.org/620424 | 22:42 |
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