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| aspiers | morning | 08:01 |
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| aspiers | anyone got anything to discuss to day? | 08:01 |
| witek | morning | 08:01 |
| aspiers | hi witek! coming to Denver? | 08:03 |
| witek | yes | 08:03 |
| aspiers | I probably already asked you that every meeting for the last 2 months ;-) | 08:03 |
| aspiers | terrible memory | 08:03 |
| aspiers | cool, cu there | 08:03 |
| witek | could you give a link to self-healing ptg etherpad? cannot find it now | 08:04 |
| aspiers | sure | 08:04 |
| aspiers | 1 sec | 08:04 |
| aspiers | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DEN-self-healing-SIG | 08:04 |
| witek | thanks | 08:04 |
| aspiers | it should be linked from Forum and PTG wikis too | 08:04 |
| aspiers | I'll send out an email about it today | 08:05 |
| witek | Adam, I guess you should update the meeting times at eavesdrop | 08:08 |
| witek | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Self-healing_SIG_Meeting | 08:08 |
| witek | the times are in UTC | 08:08 |
| aspiers | doh | 08:10 |
| aspiers | I had a long discussion about this 2 weeks ago and I still forgot | 08:10 |
| aspiers | It's because I have duplicate entries in my calendar and one is wrong | 08:10 |
| aspiers | the correct time is whatever eavesdrop says, so in 50 mins | 08:11 |
| witek | :) | 08:11 |
| witek | that was a warm up then | 08:11 |
| aspiers | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2019-04-10.log.html#t2019-04-10T17:45:43 | 08:11 |
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| aspiers | witek: OK now the real thing ;-) | 09:01 |
| aspiers | except maybe nothing to discuss, unless ifat_afek has something | 09:01 |
| witek | :) | 09:02 |
| ifat_afek | hi :-) | 09:02 |
| ifat_afek | no special issue on my side | 09:02 |
| witek | hi ifat_afek | 09:02 |
| aspiers | OK cool | 09:02 |
| aspiers | as I said earlier, I'll send out an email reminder today with the etherpad link | 09:02 |
| ifat_afek | witek and I agreed that we need to discuss the future of Monasca&Vitrage integration. do you think it fits in the self-healing PTG? alternatively, we will hold the discussion in the Monasca PTG (Vitrage timeslot does not work for witek) | 09:03 |
| aspiers | I think it fits in self-healing but it's up to you two | 09:04 |
| ifat_afek | some of the discussion is theoretical, some is more technical I think | 09:04 |
| ifat_afek | ok, witek, whatever you say :-) | 09:04 |
| aspiers | we have half a day in the PTG which is a good amount of time | 09:05 |
| aspiers | and I think others might be interested to hear the discussion (at least I am ;-) | 09:05 |
| witek | if there is enough time on Thursday, it works perfectly fine for me | 09:05 |
| aspiers | I think there will be | 09:05 |
| witek | and if we need more, we can continue on Friday afternoon | 09:06 |
| aspiers | cool | 09:06 |
| ifat_afek | sounds great | 09:07 |
| witek | I've added links to reviews in etherpad already | 09:07 |
| aspiers | yep thanks | 09:07 |
| witek | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DEN-self-healing-SIG | 09:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Adam Spiers proposed openstack/self-healing-sig master: Auto-index specs and use-cases https://review.opendev.org/655419 | 12:04 |
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| ekcs | hello aspiers. sorry came in a couple minutes late not sure if I missed a ping. | 16:08 |
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| aspiers | ekcs: I think the meeting is in 40 mins :) | 16:20 |
| aspiers | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2019-04-10.log.html#t2019-04-10T17:45:43 | 16:21 |
| ekcs | ah that’s right. talk to you soon then! | 16:23 |
| aspiers | :) | 16:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/self-healing-sig master: Auto-index specs and use-cases https://review.opendev.org/655419 | 16:56 |
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| aspiers | OK | 17:02 |
| aspiers | I guess it's time :) | 17:02 |
| aspiers | ekcs: still there? | 17:02 |
| ekcs | yup! | 17:02 |
| aspiers | #startmeeting self-healing | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 24 17:03:08 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: self-healing)" | 17:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'self_healing' | 17:03 |
| aspiers | I've only got 20-25 mins unfortunately but I doubt we'll need more anyway | 17:03 |
| aspiers | #topic RPC health checks | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RPC health checks (Meeting topic: self-healing)" | 17:03 | |
| aspiers | my colleague Jiri submitted https://review.opendev.org/#/c/653707/ | 17:04 |
| aspiers | I'm just working on another patch set which makes a few minor tidy ups | 17:04 |
| aspiers | then I think it's probably ready to approve | 17:04 |
| ekcs | oh great! will take a look. | 17:04 |
| aspiers | I can certainly hold off W+1 until you've reviewed | 17:05 |
| aspiers | but maybe wait for the next patch set first | 17:05 |
| aspiers | maybe later today, not sure | 17:05 |
| aspiers | or early tomorrow | 17:05 |
| aspiers | #topic Denver | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Denver (Meeting topic: self-healing)" | 17:06 | |
| aspiers | I'll send out a reminder to the ML about the two sessions and the etherpad | 17:06 |
| aspiers | last call for topics etc. | 17:06 |
| aspiers | are there any other preparations we need to do? | 17:06 |
| ekcs | I was hoping for some kind of indication of which topics for which session, but it doesn’t seem like we’ll get enough info to plan that. | 17:08 |
| aspiers | haha yeah, probably not | 17:08 |
| aspiers | it's always pretty last minute :) | 17:08 |
| aspiers | for the Forum it's usually just see who turns up and what they want to discuss | 17:09 |
| ekcs | not much I can think of other than that. i can scout out the location once there to see projector situation etc. | 17:09 |
| aspiers | good idea | 17:09 |
| aspiers | I wonder to what extent the SIG should aim to seek out developer resources for our initiatives, like the dev equivalent of fund-raising ;-) | 17:10 |
| aspiers | for example we see clear value community-wide in API health checks but so far noone has stepped forwards to actually do it | 17:10 |
| aspiers | although that is a bad example because I really thought I would be able to spend time on it | 17:11 |
| aspiers | and then failed ;-/ | 17:11 |
| aspiers | but automated testing is another big one | 17:11 |
| ekcs | yea true. | 17:12 |
| aspiers | if we run out of things to discuss in the PTG session (which has never happened before so probably won't this time) then we could always turn it into an actual working session where we try to accomplish or at least kickstart one or two things at accelerated pace | 17:12 |
| ekcs | yes that makes sense. | 17:12 |
| ekcs | perhaps for automated testing, | 17:12 |
| aspiers | Yeah | 17:13 |
| ekcs | and things like that, we can help make sure the relevant/interested projects at least identify it within each project as a task of some priority. | 17:14 |
| aspiers | right | 17:14 |
| ekcs | at the very least it gives a broader range of people the opportunity to volunteer. | 17:15 |
| aspiers | yep | 17:15 |
| aspiers | I have a whitepaper on Eris contributed by Gautam before he had to drop out | 17:15 |
| aspiers | I've converted it in .rst form but never got round to submitting | 17:15 |
| aspiers | that could be a quick hack although maybe not easily divisible | 17:16 |
| ekcs | I see. maybe just submit as is to gerrit as WIP and make clear people are welcome/encouraged to pick it up and finish. | 17:18 |
| aspiers | true | 17:18 |
| aspiers | let's both go through storyboard before next week and see if there are any loose ends which can easily be tied up | 17:18 |
| ekcs | sounds good | 17:19 |
| aspiers | that whitepaper is certainly one of them | 17:19 |
| openstackgerrit | zhulingjie proposed openstack/ha-guide master: Replace git.openstack.org URLs with opendev.org URLs https://review.opendev.org/654927 | 17:20 |
| aspiers | alright | 17:20 |
| aspiers | #action aspiers and ekcs to go through storyboard before next week and see if there are any loose ends which can easily be tied up | 17:21 |
| aspiers | #topic oslo.monitoring / oslo.metrics idea | 17:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.monitoring / oslo.metrics idea (Meeting topic: self-healing)" | 17:21 | |
| aspiers | not gonna go into detail on this, but just wanted to mention | 17:21 |
| aspiers | my colleague Dirk proposed this idea early today | 17:21 |
| aspiers | basically a more standardised way of OpenStack services reporting health / performance metrics in a way which could then be gathered by monitoring systems such as Prometheus | 17:22 |
| aspiers | it might belong more to oslo, or maybe to this SIG, or maybe monasca | 17:22 |
| witek | I'm interested in joining this effort as well | 17:22 |
| aspiers | it's not clear yet | 17:22 |
| aspiers | ahah! perfect timing witek ;-) | 17:22 |
| aspiers | yeah Dirk mentioned you had some thoughts about monasca and Prometheus | 17:23 |
| aspiers | I don't fully understand it yet, but I'd be more than happy to discuss it in the SIG session next Thursday afternoon | 17:23 |
| aspiers | witek: I asked Dirk if he could add an entry to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DEN-self-healing-SIG but if you feel inclined and understand it well enough then feel free to beat him to it | 17:24 |
| openstackgerrit | zhulingjie proposed openstack/ha-guide master: Replace git.openstack.org URLs with opendev.org URLs https://review.opendev.org/654927 | 17:24 |
| aspiers | personally I see bad performance as "soft failures", so in that light I think they can fall under the scope of this SIG | 17:24 |
| aspiers | especially when cross-project work is required | 17:25 |
| witek | hm, Dirk hasn't told me more then two sentences, so I guess we are free to shape it :) | 17:25 |
| aspiers | :) | 17:25 |
| aspiers | alternatively we could gatecrash the oslo room ;-) | 17:25 |
| ekcs | yea that makes a lot of sense. I understand that prometheus defines standard APIs from which it will pull data, and many services implement those interfaces. certainly seems to make sense for openstack services to support it. | 17:25 |
| openstackgerrit | jacky06 proposed openstack/ha-guide master: Replace git.openstack.org URLs with opendev.org URLs https://review.opendev.org/654927 | 17:25 |
| aspiers | right, apparently Canonical have done a prometheus exporter but it's only providing things like lists of users/projects/fips which isn't really useful for performance | 17:26 |
| ekcs | I see | 17:26 |
| witek | Monty has recently added functionality to OpenStackSDK which sends statistics both to Prometheus and StatsD | 17:27 |
| aspiers | oh that's interesting | 17:27 |
| aspiers | let's try to grab him too then | 17:27 |
| aspiers | unfortunately I've got to dash soon and I guess we don't have enough info here to discuss it much more anyway | 17:27 |
| witek | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/614834/ | 17:27 |
| aspiers | interesting | 17:28 |
| witek | PTG will be a good place to discuss it more | 17:28 |
| aspiers | yup | 17:29 |
| aspiers | alright, let's wrap it up, unless anyone has any other issues? | 17:29 |
| ekcs | i’m good for now! | 17:30 |
| witek | thanks, see you next week | 17:30 |
| aspiers | cool. looking forward to next week!! | 17:30 |
| aspiers | #endmeeting | 17:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Self_healing_SIG | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/openstack/self-healing-sig" | 17:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 24 17:30:57 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:30 |
| aspiers | o/ | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/self_healing/2019/self_healing.2019-04-24-17.03.html | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/self_healing/2019/self_healing.2019-04-24-17.03.txt | 17:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/self_healing/2019/self_healing.2019-04-24-17.03.log.html | 17:31 |
| ekcs | bye guys! | 17:31 |
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