| openstackgerrit | John Dickinson proposed a change to openstack/swift: Merging master into feature/ec branch https://review.openstack.org/111866 | 00:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Martinelli proposed a change to openstack/swift-specs: Update doc theme for swift-specs https://review.openstack.org/111869 | 00:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/swift: A few minor updates to the living EC end user docs https://review.openstack.org/110944 | 00:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Oliver proposed a change to openstack/swift: Swift configuration parameter audit https://review.openstack.org/104760 | 02:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Oliver proposed a change to openstack/swift: Remove old DLO config remenents from proxy https://review.openstack.org/111889 | 02:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Martinelli proposed a change to openstack/swift: Update the swift documentation theme https://review.openstack.org/111903 | 05:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Samuel Merritt proposed a change to openstack/swift: Bail out a little faster when object write affinity is off https://review.openstack.org/111914 | 05:48 |
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| Gorazd | Does Swift have any mechanism of striping object data to different disks (in means of RAID functionality) or is it always saved as a whole (when less than 5GB large)? | 07:42 |
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| hugokuo | Gorazd: you can use the DLO or SLO to chunk a object in any size. | 07:51 |
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| Gorazd | hugokuo: is it possible for each account or user to assign different method of chunking uploaded data? | 07:55 |
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| mattoliverau | Gorazd: what hugokuo said, and Erasure coding is in development as we speak so in the future you'll be able to use an EC policy which will store fragements and parities on different obj servers. | 07:55 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/swift: Merging master into feature/ec branch https://review.openstack.org/111866 | 08:07 |
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| acoles | cschwede: thanks for reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91788/ again | 08:41 |
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| acoles | gvernik: the DocImpact string in commit message just flags up the fact that documentation may need to be added/changed | 08:52 |
| acoles | gvernik: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GitCommitMessages | 08:52 |
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| bcnd | hi | 14:08 |
| bcnd | can someone tell me what the difference between using openstack's swift vs amazon s3? | 14:09 |
| KodiakF | One is in your datacenter, the other one is somewhere out in the clouds | 14:10 |
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| bcnd | lol | 14:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/swift: Bail out a little faster when object write affinity is off https://review.openstack.org/111914 | 14:38 |
| openstackgerrit | paul luse proposed a change to openstack/swift-specs: Updates to EC design spec from EC design meet-up https://review.openstack.org/112036 | 14:38 |
| openstackgerrit | paul luse proposed a change to openstack/swift: Updates to EC user docs from EC design meet-up https://review.openstack.org/112037 | 14:41 |
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| notmyname | good morning | 15:30 |
| notmyname | gvernik: acoles: importantly, the DocImpact tag actually opens an issue for the doc team so they can track it | 15:30 |
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| acoles | notmyname: yup. & good morning. | 15:31 |
| zaitcev | KodiakF: I looked at your paste a bit and it looks like the trivial fix is most appropriate: http://people.redhat.com/zaitcev/tmp/x.diff | 15:32 |
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| zaitcev | I need to write a proper test and post to Gerrit and you're good to go | 15:33 |
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| KodiakF | zaitcev: Interesting thanks. I'm excited for a fix but won't be able to use until the bits come down from Redhat RDO for RHEL 6 - I'll try to track this so I can open a support ticket with the particulars | 15:34 |
| zaitcev | KodiakF: that would actually be most helpful, thanks. My work is accounted by those tickets :-) | 15:34 |
| KodiakF | This is awesome | 15:35 |
| KodiakF | It'll be my first support ticket related to RDO - they might reject it outright since it's RDO and not the paid-for | 15:35 |
| KodiakF | Can you please keep me posted, either here or OOB w/ the Gerrit particulars once it passes? Not sure what to reference in the ticket | 15:36 |
| zaitcev | I think RDO does not use support tickets in access.redhat.com, just file in Bugzilla.redhat.com for RDO project and that gets straight to my manager (who's recalled into active duty in Gaza right now hurr durr). | 15:37 |
| KodiakF | Oh, and this was for this paste right? Sorry so many pastes from me... http://paste.openstack.org/show/90034/ | 15:37 |
| zaitcev | Reference the actual symptoms like you pasted. I'll add upstream refs etc | 15:37 |
| KodiakF | Alright I'll brush off my bz account and try to get this done today | 15:38 |
| KodiakF | I think he'll be back soon they were pulling out since theres nothing left in Gaza now but rubble | 15:39 |
| KodiakF | per the news this morning at least | 15:39 |
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| notmyname | looks like peluse has updated the EC trello board as a result of yesterday's discussions | 15:44 |
| notmyname | https://trello.com/b/LlvIFIQs/swift-erasure-codes | 15:44 |
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| notmyname | and the spec doc has an update too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112036/ | 15:47 |
| notmyname | and I'm off to drive to box for day 2 of ec work. I'll be back online in about an hour or so | 15:47 |
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| KodiakF | zaitcev: You've got mail (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1126942) | 16:05 |
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| zaitcev | KodiakF: Thank you | 16:06 |
| zaitcev | aww man, it's not "hard" work. I'm just slow because I've got a blood pressure attack | 16:07 |
| KodiakF | zaitcev: no, thank you man - I love the service and support we get from Redhat - happy to chuck $$$ in your direction to keep this thing rolling and I laugh every time I hear another horror story about MSFT support from the Windows team I work alongisde | 16:08 |
| KodiakF | Glad to be on this side of the fence for sure | 16:08 |
| zaitcev | Hmm. Well, I'm sure they do what they can on the proprietary sw side too. They have systemic difficulties tho | 16:09 |
| KodiakF | haha they don't do jack half the time - I don't think the other team even bothers filing bugs anymore they just go into a black hole | 16:10 |
| KodiakF | anyhow glad to do my part filing stuff on bz for swift - complex monster that it is | 16:10 |
| zaitcev | my oldest bug is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=175966, filed in 2005 or about 7 years ago. Admittedly it's difficult to fix right. | 16:14 |
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| KodiakF | lol X what a nightmare | 16:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/swift: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/88736 | 16:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/swift-specs: Update doc theme for swift-specs https://review.openstack.org/111869 | 17:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Samuel Merritt proposed a change to openstack/swift: Make swift-form-signature output a sample form https://review.openstack.org/109458 | 18:11 |
| peluse | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112036/ | 18:13 |
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| KodiakF | Anyone ever see a behavior of swift where clicking on the public link to a container results in a style-less XML page with this message: "This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below." | 18:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-swiftclient: Update theme for docs https://review.openstack.org/109428 | 18:32 |
| notmyname | KodiakF: you may be interested in using staticweb | 18:35 |
| KodiakF | wow - I'd never heard of it | 18:37 |
| KodiakF | http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-object-storage/1.0/content/Examples_for_static_web-dle4025.html | 18:37 |
| KodiakF | seems like something that would be an intrinsic part of a swift container | 18:37 |
| KodiakF | a public one at the very least | 18:37 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/python-swiftclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/89250 | 18:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/swift: Update the swift documentation theme https://review.openstack.org/111903 | 18:39 |
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| mjseger | :notmyname and others, I've been trying to understand what happens during simultaneous large reads/writes and looks like the read performance goes into the toilet. has anyone else observed this? pretty easy to reproduce | 19:06 |
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| KodiakF | mjseger: how many proxy nodes? | 19:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/swift-specs: Updates to EC design spec from EC design meet-up https://review.openstack.org/112036 | 19:40 |
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| notmyname | FYI the openstack TC meeting today (in 15 minutes in #openstack-meeting) will be discussing adding a new program and going over the "Swift gap analysis" | 19:44 |
| notmyname | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_gap_analysis | 19:44 |
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| * creiht gets popcorn | 19:50 | |
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| notmyname | creiht: was your popcorn tastey? | 21:01 |
| creiht | aww dang | 21:01 |
| creiht | I gorogt :/ | 21:01 |
| creiht | forgot | 21:01 |
| creiht | heh | 21:01 |
| notmyname | creiht: tl;dr: differences called out are use of oslo and different releases (ie not milestones) | 21:02 |
| torgomatic | it's a shame that "oslo" isn't an anagram of "NIH" | 21:03 |
| notmyname | and at some point between not and the end of the paris summit, there will be some sort of conversation about addressing it | 21:03 |
| creiht | I'm reading the logs nwo | 21:04 |
| creiht | now | 21:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pete Zaitcev proposed a change to openstack/python-swiftclient: Fix crash when downloading a pseudo-directory https://review.openstack.org/112139 | 21:06 |
| creiht | lol at oslo.config | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | creiht: any (detailed) views you could give me, preferably by email, would be much appreciated | 21:08 |
| creiht | heh | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | we are going to have to justify our not using oslo config and oslo logging and oslo messaging or we are going to have to use them. and by "justify" I mean in such a way as to convince others it's a good idea for us to not use it | 21:09 |
| creiht | not sure I have the energy any more for that | 21:09 |
| tdasilva_ | notmyname: what has been the reason for not using oslo in the past? | 21:10 |
| torgomatic | and what happens if we just ignore the bureaucrats and keep on writing comprehensible code using well-known, well-supported libraries? | 21:10 |
| tdasilva_ | notmyname: just trying to understand some of the history there... | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva_: two reasons: one, it was originally copy/pasted code externally managed. two, it hasn't solved a problem that exists for swift | 21:11 |
| creiht | notmyname: probably a good thing I wasn't at the meeting, I probably wouldn't have helped the discussion :/ | 21:11 |
| notmyname | tdasilva_: so the discussion is even if it doesn't provide any value for swift above what swift already has, maybe we should use it because it provides benefit for the sum total of openstack | 21:12 |
| tdasilva_ | notmyname: so, is swift the only project not using it? I'm assuming that it was a library that was introduced after rackspace opensourced swift...so swift already had its own implementation of logging and config mgmt... | 21:14 |
| notmyname | tdasilva_: yes, that is definitely true | 21:14 |
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| creiht | tdasilva_: or we used the current libraries and best practices that were already available in python | 21:15 |
| creiht | rather than writing our own | 21:15 |
| torgomatic | can't use stdlib's logging because we didn't write it | 21:15 |
| tdasilva_ | creiht: i see...and what was 'their' reasoning for not using those libraries? | 21:15 |
| tdasilva_ | torgomatic: lol | 21:15 |
| torgomatic | can't just have StatsD metrics because we didn't define a new format | 21:15 |
| * torgomatic might be extra-cranky today | 21:16 | |
| creiht | tdasilva_: because one of the original nova developers worked at google for a bit and thought their style of configuration is better | 21:16 |
| torgomatic | but just because I'm cranky doesn't mean I'm wrong | 21:16 |
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| creiht | which is what morphed into nova.config | 21:16 |
| tdasilva_ | notmyname, creiht: thanks | 21:18 |
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| creiht | there is a fundamental rift in opinion about how services should be deployed between nova and swift | 21:18 |
| creiht | yet, deployers love how swift is deployed, at least much more than how nova is deployed | 21:19 |
| creiht | and yet swift is the one that must change | 21:19 |
| creiht | tdasilva_: the other thing is that most of oslo is still copy/pasted code rather than true reusable libraries | 21:20 |
| tdasilva_ | creiht: can you provide example? | 21:20 |
| notmyname | creiht: pedant there, that's oslo-incubated stuff and many things have been pushed to pypi now (eg oslo.config) | 21:20 |
| creiht | tdasilva_: it is slowly changing | 21:21 |
| creiht | yeah | 21:21 |
| creiht | but forever the oslo.db stuff had been copy pasted to all the projects and caused all sorts of headaches | 21:21 |
| creiht | and just because everyone else makes dumb decisions, doesn't mean swift should make the same dumb decision | 21:22 |
| creiht | I'm sorry, but all of this makes me tired | 21:22 |
| ahale | both the versioning/releasing and use of established libs and ways of doing things seem to both come from swift being a mature system when openstack formed | 21:22 |
| torgomatic | butbutbut... if we don't use oslo.db, how will we ever store container info in a single big mysql db? | 21:22 |
| * torgomatic wants to be web-scale | 21:22 | |
| creiht | and one of the reasons that I'm not going to be involved with openstack any more | 21:22 |
| torgomatic | creiht: I'm with you on the tired thing, but if I give up, then the bureaucrats win | 21:23 |
| creiht | was trying to not make a big deal about that, and slowly bow out | 21:23 |
| creiht | but I'm done | 21:23 |
| * creiht drops the mike | 21:28 | |
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| notmyname | ummm...speaking of being "web-scale", rackspace.com is giving me a 504 response right now | 21:29 |
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| torgomatic | maybe that's where creiht went | 21:29 |
| dfg | notmyname: why are you going to rackspace.com ? | 21:30 |
| notmyname | dfg: just looking at the news and reading the article about how "rackspace is no longer in the IaaS business" and seeing if you actually still sell cloud files | 21:30 |
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| dfg | i think we do. maybe i should go to rackspace.com | 21:32 |
| ahale | hybrid managed devops cloud files | 21:32 |
| notmyname | ahale: you'll love this. I saw "BizDevOps" (or busdevops) on twitter today. I think it's the new thing | 21:32 |
| ahale | hehe | 21:33 |
| torgomatic | Chief BizDevOps Officer | 21:33 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: sounds like you're getting new business cards? | 21:34 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: I always thought I could use a more impressive title | 21:34 |
| notmyname | amandap: you should order torgomatic some new cards ^^ ;-) | 21:34 |
| torgomatic | for the Paris summit, I put "$GRANDIOSE_JOB_TITLE" as my job title, so that should cover all the bases | 21:35 |
| amandap | notmyname: I'm on it. ;-) torgomatic should have some fab cards for summit | 21:35 |
| torgomatic | if the TC really wants us to produce milestone-quality releases, we can just take master, revert a few bugfixes, and ship that | 21:37 |
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| * notmyname is now expecting an epic rant on the mailing list from creiht | 21:43 | |
| zaitcev | I'm kinda afraid to go to redhat.com. What if they declared me obsolete. | 21:47 |
| amandap | torgomatic: notmyname - mail | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | have you voted for this talk at the summit yet? https://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/good | 21:51 |
| zaitcev | Presentation/good ? | 21:55 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: yes, verwell | 21:55 |
| zaitcev | Laffo | 21:55 |
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| dmsimard | Sorry I'm late to the party. | 22:14 |
| dmsimard | BizDevOps ? | 22:14 |
| dmsimard | *sighs* | 22:14 |
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| mattoliverau | Good morning all | 22:21 |
| torgomatic | morning | 22:25 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: hi | 22:28 |
| mattoliverau | looks like I missed all the oslo complaining (reading scrollback) :) | 22:33 |
| notmyname | *discussion | 22:35 |
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| mattoliverau | lol | 22:38 |
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| clayg | just to make sure I understand our official posistion here, are we "against" oslo in swift or just don't have any motivation to see it happen? | 23:50 |
| notmyname | clayg: I /think/ it's the second. (note that there isn't an official position ;-). I don't htink we've chosen to switch to oslo stuff because (1) what we'd replace isn't broken in swift and (2) migration would probably be hard | 23:56 |
| notmyname | clayg: but that's the question, really. what's the position? the question is coming to a head, and we have to choose something | 23:56 |
| clayg | if we go with the second one is the ball in their court? | 23:57 |
| clayg | cause i'm totally fine with -1's patches with "you accidently broke xyz" until they get tired and give up | 23:58 |
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