| clayg | peluse: looking at sp container count tracking (thanks for picking that up so quikcly btw?!) - any idea why you don't have to reapply the new trigger when you _migrate_add_container_count | 00:02 |
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| peluse | clayg: good question, i guess I had assumed that it was "still there" even though the column didn't exist when it was created | 00:27 |
| peluse | clayg, which would mean that on every insert the trigger would have silently failed up util the schema was altered to add the column used by the trigger?? | 00:28 |
| peluse | clayg, I'll add a test to insert a item in container after the mgiration and make sure policy_stat is updated | 00:29 |
| peluse | clayg, right now I think the only thing I test post migration is a delete... | 00:29 |
| peluse | (and the migration itself and updating based on existing records of course) | 00:29 |
| peluse | clayg, wait, I guess I already do that in order to force the migration in test_policy_table_cont_count_update_put_obj() but I can add one more at the end that adds w/o forcing the migration just for good measure | 00:33 |
| openstackgerrit | paul luse proposed a change to openstack/swift: Add container_count to policy_stat table https://review.openstack.org/120795 | 00:42 |
| peluse | clayg, OK, additional test added and passes... and I think its still good to add it but need to think on your question some more, something seems odd (like it shouldn't work without applying the updated trigger right?) | 00:46 |
| peluse | clayg, OK, I see the problem. Have to take off for the evening, will make the changes in the morning and let you know when its ready to look at again... thanks! | 00:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | paul luse proposed a change to openstack/swift: Add container_count to policy_stat table https://review.openstack.org/120795 | 05:00 |
| peluse | clayg, there we go.... now i can sleep :) 2 small things I want to poing you on sometime tomorrow... other than maybe a simplifcation here and there I think this covers yu question | 05:01 |
| peluse | s/yu/your | 05:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/swift: moving object validation checks to top of PUT method https://review.openstack.org/115995 | 06:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/swift: Extra unit tests for check_delete_headers https://review.openstack.org/119756 | 06:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed a change to openstack/swift: Add comments to clarify change to www-authenticate test https://review.openstack.org/121036 | 09:24 |
| acoles_ | cschwede: peluse: ^^ tiny review - fixes the nit in the www-authenticate test patch and adds a comment to explain why it tests for 'in' rather than 'equal' | 09:27 |
| cschwede | acoles_: thanks Alistair, i will have a look at the patch! | 09:29 |
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| smart_developer | Does the Swift configuration have a parameter specifying the maximum number of objects that can be stored in a zone, or any particular device? | 10:50 |
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| smart_developer | And on a related note, can anyone explain what's going on in the directory structure of /srv/node/device-name/objects/(....?.....) | 11:01 |
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| smart_developer | It's usually something like, /srv/node/sdc1/objects/307/55d/66521d74f3428aead076a047b0ede3bb/and-then-your-.data-file(s) | 11:03 |
| smart_developer | Which portion of that path starts to define a unique object? (for example, in the path above, is 307 unique to just one particular object, or are there multiple objects/files that could be within the subdirectory(s) of /srv/node/sdc1/objects/307 ? | 11:05 |
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| smart_developer | To me, it seems that the 55d above is where an object becomes uniquely defined, but in that case, what is the significance of its parent directory, and its child directory? | 11:08 |
| smart_developer | Why not just /srv/node/sdc1/objects/55d/55d.data ? | 11:08 |
| smart_developer | for the path/naming convention? | 11:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rajaneesh Singh proposed a change to openstack/swift: Verifies overall metadata on account/container. https://review.openstack.org/121073 | 12:32 |
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| vr1 | hi verybody | 12:52 |
| vr1 | everybody | 12:52 |
| vr1 | I got a question on the stats | 12:52 |
| vr1 | if you change the ring configuration many times (e.g. container ring) | 12:52 |
| vr1 | Do we need to reset the stats (object count, etc) ? | 12:53 |
| vr1 | because it seems I got a wrong count | 12:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Christian Schwede proposed a change to openstack/swift: Return correct number of changed partitions https://review.openstack.org/120713 | 13:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Christian Schwede proposed a change to openstack/swift: Limit changed partitions when rebalancing https://review.openstack.org/105666 | 13:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Christian Schwede proposed a change to openstack/swift: Return correct number of changed partitions https://review.openstack.org/120713 | 14:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Christian Schwede proposed a change to openstack/swift: Fix RingBuilder._build_max_replicas_by_tier docstring https://review.openstack.org/121137 | 14:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Christian Schwede proposed a change to openstack/swift: Return correct number of changed partitions https://review.openstack.org/120713 | 15:11 |
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| dencaval | Hey guys, I'would like some help to understand specifically the ring database replication. Does rsync tool sync the rings automatically or the account, container and object servers start the process? | 15:41 |
| btorch | dencaval: nothing syncs the ring files, you need to either push the ring to all servers via scp, rsync | 15:45 |
| btorch | dencaval: or you could use something like https://github.com/pandemicsyn/swift-ring-master | 15:45 |
| dencaval | btorch hm I think I got it. Just to confirm, so in your example, It is the external rsync tool that updates the ring files from time to time and we can specify all the hosts that contains ring files? | 15:47 |
| btorch | dencaval: what ? | 15:48 |
| dencaval | btorch I meant, in each swift storage node, It is needed to configure the rsync tool pointing to all the other swift storage nodes? | 15:50 |
| btorch | dencaval: there is nothing in swift that will currently do any sync of *.ring.gz files to any node.. so when you create the rings, you need to push it to all the swift boxes that need it using whatever method you prefer | 15:50 |
| btorch | same goes for when you modify the ring, you need to push it to all boxes that need the ring using whatever method you prefer | 15:51 |
| btorch | the swift-ring-master is a tool/service that once could deploy to make the ring distribution an easier task | 15:51 |
| btorch | you would have the swift-ring-master services running on an admin node and have the swift-ring-minion running on the swift nodes that needs to pull the ring down from the admin box that one would use to build/modify the ring | 15:52 |
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| dencaval | btorch Why Swift would not have the syncing of the rings files inside its core source code? | 16:02 |
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| btorch | dencaval: idk .. that's a dev question more than anything | 16:05 |
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| clayg | wow, lots of questions overnight - we need more non-us hours coverage | 17:29 |
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| torgomatic | dencaval: the failure modes there are pretty horrible... if you have some sort of gossip protocol for passing rings around, then updates propagate, but if one node corrupts a ring somehow, then the corrupt ring goes around like a plague breaking the whole cluster | 18:24 |
| torgomatic | so it's better for reliability to push rings around via some external method | 18:25 |
| torgomatic | but since operators have to have some method of pushing config files around, the rings fit in there nicely | 18:26 |
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| clayg | hey i had some questions concerns about the description option in swift.conf for storage policies - i stuck a -1 on it but noticed sam had already +2'd it - does anyone know if jenkins will merge it in that state? | 18:43 |
| notmyname | clayg: actually it's in the merge gate right now (has been for >24 hours), but because openstack si is what it is right now, it hasn't landed | 18:44 |
| clayg | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120424/ - torgomatic I'd consider it a kindness if you'd just take of your +2 for a moment and let others consider some different ideas? | 18:44 |
| clayg | notmyname: how lucky for me! | 18:44 |
| notmyname | clayg: I just read your comments and was about to -2 to let others comment | 18:44 |
| notmyname | clayg: right now it has a +2 from peluse and torgomatic | 18:44 |
| torgomatic | clayg: I'll let notmyname -2 it then; I think that'll be clearer | 18:44 |
| notmyname | done | 18:45 |
| notmyname | clayg: thanks. very good things to bring up I think | 18:45 |
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| clayg | yeah i'm such a stick in the mud | 18:48 |
| clayg | you can't even add *one* config option without me having to whine about *something* - i don't know why you guys even let keep playing here | 18:49 |
| tdasilva | clayg: I think you made some good points. I had not thought of it before, still...would like to understand better the motivation to add the description there, it wasn't clear on the patch... | 18:53 |
| tdasilva | the url idea seems like a nice compromise for allowing to add all kinds of human readable info | 18:54 |
| notmyname | the motivation is simply that GET /info -> info['swift']['policies'][0]['name'] doesn't give a lot of help in knowing what the policy is | 18:55 |
| clayg | tdasilva: i was acctually think the accept-header trick might be kinda cool - it'd be awesome to be able to point to any swift cluster's /info the the browser and get some awesome hawtness | 18:55 |
| clayg | notmyname: i don't really think that's the job of /info tho | 18:56 |
| clayg | well.. i guess that's up for debate :P | 18:56 |
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| notmyname | clayg: I'm not disagreeing. you make very good points. | 18:56 |
| * notmyname is also not agreeing | 18:56 | |
| tdasilva | notmyname: understood | 18:56 |
| tdasilva | haha | 18:56 |
| clayg | a name is name, it can be a good name or not. the deployment might have good docs for users or it might not. | 18:56 |
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| tdasilva | clayg: what I did not understand is the issue you raised with adding the description on the swift.conf file? | 19:04 |
| clayg | tdasilva: just cause a lot of that is all import time stuff you have to restart most of the time to get new info in there | 19:05 |
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| tdasilva | clayg: i see | 19:06 |
| clayg | and the structure is so sensitive and important - like you'd never want to let someone outside of ops hack the swift.conf; but no one in ops is ever going to give a crap about what the description field says? | 19:08 |
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| tdasilva | haha...i dunno...i guess what I would question is if there are more factual information that could be provided that would answer all the questions that would eventually be answered in a description. You gave the example of 'replica 3' | 19:13 |
| tdasilva | I'm trying to think in the case of SwiftOnFile, as an example, it could be helpful to provide information on what the backend filesystem is, etc... | 19:14 |
| tdasilva | btw...i'm just dumping ideas here...not advocating one way or the other... | 19:15 |
| clayg | tdasilva: yeah and maybe it'd be better if the stuff in /info wasn't just typed in by a human... like in the replica case we could acctually look at the ring and stick that in /info | 19:15 |
| tdasilva | yeah, but in the case of SoF, the ring would not provide much, you see... | 19:16 |
| tdasilva | or even EC, i guess | 19:16 |
| clayg | peluse: i was thinking about looking at the container_count thing some more -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120795/ | 19:18 |
| clayg | peluse: but you had a "disregard last patch" comment on it? should I not be looking at it yet? | 19:18 |
| clayg | afk | 19:23 |
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| peluse | clayg, no need to look now... still thinking | 19:35 |
| peluse | clayg, I don't like triggering the table migration on updating the container DB when the column in question isn't accsssed there (thus my code comment about adding a worthless read of the column just to trigger migration). Going to look at reading it in a periodic process, maybe the auditor or something | 19:36 |
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