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| tsg | clayg, notmyname: flat_xor_hd_3, k=3, m=3 support is added to liberasurecode (https://bitbucket.org/tsg-/liberasurecode/commits/ac434453c506732ede554655d5ef30aaf857f402) - Kevin and I will test some more and make this available in 1.0.7 in the next couple of days - that way, if we need move away from jerasure for the default, we can | 00:46 |
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| notmyname | tsg: thanks | 00:46 |
| tsg | notmyname: no problem - thankfully it was pretty straightforward | 00:47 |
| ho_ | good morning | 00:47 |
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| mattoliverau | ho_: morning, sorry for the late reply, been in a meeting :) | 01:47 |
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| ho_ | mattoliverau: no problem :) thanks and good morning! | 01:49 |
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| notmyname | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/10/ibm_claims_new_areal_density_record_with_220tb_tape_tech/ | 05:10 |
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| ho_ | “IBM Research scientists in Zurich are exploring the integration of tape technology with current cloud object storage systems such as OpenStack Swift. This would enable object storage on tape and allow users to seamlessly migrate cold data to an extremely low-cost, highly durable cloud based storage tier perfectly suited for back-up or archival use cases.” | 05:25 |
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| ho_ | interesting! | 05:37 |
| notmyname | yup | 05:37 |
| notmyname | so the next question is how we get them to vancouver to talk about it :-) | 05:37 |
| ho_ | notmyname: you think they will come? | 05:38 |
| notmyname | I think it's likely, but I don't know | 05:38 |
| notmyname | I know someone who know's how to get in touch with someone there. so I'll ask around tomorrow | 05:39 |
| ho_ | notmyname: ok, i hope something happen in vancouver :) | 05:39 |
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| ho_ | notmyname: good night! | 06:01 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: cool! night | 06:17 |
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| acoles | morning | 06:50 |
| acoles | clayg: i like the dict | 06:56 |
| acoles | clayg: in fact i nearly did that but for some reason i thought you wouldn't like it! | 06:57 |
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| mattoliverau | acoles_away: morning | 07:19 |
| mattoliverau | acoles_away: already away, that was a quick day then :P | 07:19 |
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| cschwede | mattoliverau: Hello Matthew! | 07:29 |
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| mattoliverau | cschwede: morning! | 07:30 |
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| acoles | mattoliverau: heh, no such luck! | 07:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Christian Schwede proposed openstack/swift: Check if REST API version is valid https://review.openstack.org/168509 | 07:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Christian Schwede proposed openstack/swift: Check if REST API version is valid https://review.openstack.org/168509 | 08:14 |
| cschwede | acoles: Morning Alistair! | 08:21 |
| cschwede | short question - what do you mean by the pep8 error leaking in from another patchset? | 08:21 |
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| cschwede | looks to me like the import is missing | 08:22 |
| acoles | cschwede: good morning! there was a change that introduced a new method to test/unit/__init__.py and required the import - the change has been split, so the method has been included in one review and the import is in another | 08:30 |
| cschwede | ah, ok - thx for clarifying | 08:31 |
| acoles | cschwede: i was just debating with myself whether to fix and push the chain of reviews, but I'm inclined to leave it to clayg | 08:32 |
| acoles | cschwede: unless the -1 from jenkins is going to stop people reviewing - i hope not! | 08:33 |
| cschwede | acoles: don’t think so; but i added a comment to link to the added import. but it needs to be fixed otherwise the chain can’t be merged | 08:36 |
| acoles | cschwede: yes. i think we are now targetting merge on monday/tuesday | 08:37 |
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| cschwede | Summit slot proposal is available: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061167.html | 09:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Christian Schwede proposed openstack/swift: Check if device name is valid when adding to the ring https://review.openstack.org/169231 | 09:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Christian Schwede proposed openstack/swift: Set connection timeout in container sync https://review.openstack.org/156943 | 10:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Christian Schwede proposed openstack/swift: Set connection timeout in container sync https://review.openstack.org/156943 | 10:07 |
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| mattoliverau | Yay, looks like 6 fishbowls, 10 work rooms, and all day meet up | 11:04 |
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| tdasilva | good morning | 11:35 |
| mattoliverau | tdasilva: morning | 11:36 |
| tdasilva | mattoliverau: hey! didn't expect to see you here | 11:37 |
| tdasilva | it's friday night!!! | 11:37 |
| acoles | tdasilva: good morning | 11:37 |
| tdasilva | acoles: hi | 11:38 |
| acoles | yeah mattoliverau should be having a bbq or something :P | 11:38 |
| cschwede | morning Thiago! | 11:38 |
| mattoliverau | Yes it is! Yay! | 11:38 |
| tdasilva | with Fosters | 11:38 |
| tdasilva | :D | 11:38 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: sounds like a great idea! | 11:38 |
| mattoliverau | tdasilva: lol | 11:39 |
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| tdasilva | looks like we got the rooms for design summit, huh? | 11:49 |
| tdasilva | interesting how differnt projects go for different strategies, nova got 18 fishbowls??? | 11:51 |
| ppai_ | newbie question: what's a fishbowl btw | 11:51 |
| acoles | ppai_: i was about to ask the same :) | 11:52 |
| tdasilva | it's the really big rooms, right? | 11:57 |
| acoles | tdasilva: ah, so lots of folks can observe a discussion/presentation?? | 11:59 |
| tdasilva | acoles: yeah, from what I remember, the fishbowl style are those big rooms like we had in Paris where you have one presenter at the front and 50 people watching | 12:00 |
| tdasilva | as opposed to the work rooms that I think are going to be smaller and more hackathon like | 12:01 |
| ppai_ | hmmmm, interesting | 12:01 |
| tdasilva | I think that's how notmyname explained | 12:01 |
| tdasilva | but I could be wrong | 12:01 |
| acoles | tdasilva: ahh, so work room == 'pods' we had before | 12:02 |
| * acoles should have been listening in meeting | 12:02 | |
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| mattoliverau | Yeah fish bowls are like Paris rooms, more presentation like, more people can sit and listen (like ops feedback, and EC probably), with mics etc. Work rooms will be smaller boardroom like places where it'll be like a hackathon room, where everyone can talk about the topic (no mics needed etc), that's what I invision amyway :) | 12:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Christian Schwede proposed openstack/swift: Check if REST API version is valid https://review.openstack.org/168509 | 12:58 |
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| tdasilva | acoles, peluse: wondering if we should start cleaning up things in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_ec_triage. we can remoe things that have been fixed already. thoughts? | 15:07 |
| acoles | tdasilva: good idea but lets put a [DONE] at start of each item rather than delete | 15:21 |
| tdasilva | acoles: ok, sounds good | 15:21 |
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| notmyname | good morning | 15:26 |
| notmyname | cschwede: thanks for the link | 15:26 |
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| notmyname | interesting. http://blog.storagemadeeasy.com/openstack-swift-ios-app-beta-tester-wanted/ | 15:37 |
| tdasilva | what's http://cloud.swiftstack.com/ | 15:39 |
| tdasilva | ? | 15:39 |
| lpabon | notmyname, yeah. I think Swift needs a killer app. To me, one of the coolest apps would be owncloud->swift.. but I'm not sure how distributed owncloud can be. | 15:40 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: oh cool, I didn't see that :-) | 15:40 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: it's an internal swiftstack cluster we have | 15:41 |
| acoles | notmyname: whats your opinion on the amount of policy data included in /info? see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_ec_triage, we may need PTL adjudication ;) | 15:42 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: you might (correctly) surmise from that picture that swiftstack and SME have talked ;-) | 15:42 |
| * notmyname grabs his gavel and clicks the link | 15:42 | |
| tdasilva | lol yep | 15:42 |
| peluse | acoles, I was about to comment on that... | 15:43 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: gerrit has been restarted to address a hung event stream. change events between 15:00 and 15:43 utc which were lost will need to be rechecked or have approval workflow votes reapplied for zuul to act on them | 15:45 | |
| peluse | just added my 2 cents as well | 15:45 |
| notmyname | have we released anything yet that has the policy_type in /info? is that on master? | 15:46 |
| acoles | notmyname: i believe not | 15:47 |
| acoles | on master | 15:47 |
| peluse | yes but I think just name | 15:47 |
| acoles | yes, name but not type | 15:47 |
| peluse | yup, type doesn't exist on master | 15:47 |
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| * peluse is prety sure | 15:47 | |
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| notmyname | ya, on master, "policy_type" can't be set at all | 15:49 |
| acoles | do we use policy params in /info in any tests on EC? | 15:49 |
| peluse | acoles, I would assume so yes - doubt that patch that added the info would have landed w/o tests | 15:50 |
| * peluse checking | 15:50 | |
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| notmyname | well the other question is if any functional test behavior is affected by what's in /info | 15:51 |
| acoles | peluse: i was thinking is there any test that relies on probing the cluster for policy type | 15:51 |
| notmyname | ya that | 15:51 |
| acoles | notmyname: yep thats where i am thinking | 15:51 |
| acoles | i *think* probe tests just look in the rings to verify correct replica count etc | 15:51 |
| acoles | just looking at probe tests | 15:51 |
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| peluse | probe uses type | 15:52 |
| peluse | I added it | 15:53 |
| peluse | to Leah's initial patch that used counts | 15:53 |
| notmyname | hmm | 15:53 |
| peluse | policy_requirements = {'policy_type': EC_POLICY} | 15:53 |
| notmyname | hmm..any way we could use the admin-level /admin for that? ie probetests know the right secret to use to do the right hmac | 15:54 |
| peluse | to avoid using type in /info? | 15:54 |
| notmyname | ya | 15:54 |
| acoles | peluse : isn't ProbeTest matching that against policies in POLICIES, not getting cluster /info?? | 15:55 |
| peluse | yeah, I was just looking at that and was about to ask the same thing | 15:56 |
| acoles | peluse: probe.common.get_policy() | 15:56 |
| peluse | sure doesn't look to me like its using /info, maybe thats functests | 15:56 |
| notmyname | even better :-) | 15:56 |
| acoles | i'm going to rip the params out of info and run tests! | 15:56 |
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| peluse | you crazy rebel :) | 15:57 |
| acoles | s/crazy/lazy/ me-thinks :P | 15:58 |
| peluse | heh | 15:58 |
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| notmyname | just a reminder that we're on the hook for a RC on tuesday | 16:02 |
| notmyname | that's what ttx is telling everyone ;-) | 16:03 |
| notmyname | (mostly because that's what I told him) | 16:03 |
| peluse | way to go notmyname :) | 16:04 |
| notmyname | I'd like to see the ec_review patch chain be ready in my afternoon on monday | 16:05 |
| peluse | so if acoles can rip it easily we might as well... even as beta always harder to take something away later than to add it | 16:05 |
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| notmyname | which will give us a little time for the other non-ec stuff for master too | 16:06 |
| peluse | but we do need some sort of mechanisms for apps to get more info on what's available beyond name | 16:06 |
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| notmyname | I'll be doing the merge commit from ec_review to master on my tuesday morning, assuming everything is ready | 16:06 |
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| notmyname | peluse: acoles: tdasilva: yes, to the question at hand, I'd like to leave /info with *just* the policy name. I'm ok with the extra config stuff in an admin request to /info. and later we'll figure out the best way to have human-readable text in it | 16:07 |
| peluse | 10-4 | 16:07 |
| notmyname | but, in general, I feel that clients don't really have any business knowing the config details. they need to "Treat swift as a storage utility" | 16:08 |
| notmyname | and not know/care if it's EC vs replicated. in general | 16:08 |
| peluse | assume we just make that clear in the etherpad and on the review with a diff and let clayg tackle it. acoles let me know if you want me to wrap it up or if you're almost there | 16:08 |
| notmyname | I fully expect clients to know something about the policy so that they can make a smart choice about which policy to use. but that's more like "it's only in Germany" or " this one is for my DR" | 16:09 |
| notmyname | yes, I will. just waiting on what acoles says from his testing | 16:09 |
| acoles | just waiting for func tests | 16:10 |
| acoles | we should rename all the slow tests so they come last, then at least you'd have a warm-fuzzy feeling sooner :D | 16:11 |
| acoles | func tests pass against an ec only cluster with only "policies: [{'default': True, 'name': 'deepfreeze10-4'}]" in /info | 16:14 |
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| notmyname | yay | 16:14 |
| notmyname | did we validate probe tests? | 16:14 |
| acoles | notmyname: i will, just trying unit tests which i hope will fail | 16:15 |
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| notmyname | maybe it's just the EC work, but it seems like a _lot_ of recent stuff in swift should have "Co-Authored-By: <everyone>" in the commit message ;-) | 16:22 |
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| acoles | notmyname: its 'erasure coding' - everyone chips in pieces and the sum comes out good ;) | 16:23 |
| notmyname | lol | 16:23 |
| notmyname | "ec as a development model" | 16:24 |
| tdasilva | e.g., patch 167595 | 16:25 |
| patchbot | tdasilva: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167595/ | 16:25 |
| notmyname | on the other hand, the more we see that, the more it might mean that or dev model of "one single patch with multiple patch sets" might not be the absolute best dev model (shocking, I know) | 16:26 |
| notmyname | maybe, just maybe, using local feature branches might reflect collaborative effort on patches. that's crazy-talk I'm sure | 16:27 |
| tdasilva | acoles: actually it's "swift erasure coding" - everyone chips in pieces and the sum 'eventually' comes out good :) | 16:30 |
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| peluse | oh man, it must be Friday :) | 16:31 |
| acoles | tdasilva: lol, thats better! | 16:31 |
| acoles | peluse: man friday, where? | 16:32 |
| peluse | yeah, good point. somewhere I guess! | 16:32 |
| notmyname | so I get to be on http://www.nextcast.net/openstackpod next tuesday morning and talk about swift | 16:35 |
| notmyname | acoles: unit tests finish? | 16:37 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: cool...just started listening to the last one and Niki sounds pretty pumped up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihRDs9FxmCs | 16:39 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: ya, I've seen a few. niki does a _great_ job with them | 16:40 |
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| acoles | notmyname: yup, failed as expected but easy to fix that, probe tests good, will add diff in gerrit comment. | 16:40 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks. I'll add a comment to the etherpad | 16:43 |
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| peluse | sweet | 16:56 |
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| notmyname | wow. the only openstack projects that have more than one candidate are nova and glance | 17:03 |
| notmyname | (for ptl) | 17:03 |
| notmyname | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_April_2015#Confirmed_candidates: | 17:03 |
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| jrichli | notmyname: goes to show that people know it's not an easy job. we appreciate you! | 17:59 |
| notmyname | jrichli: or no one else is dumb enough to want to do it ;-) | 18:00 |
| notmyname | jrichli: I have a question for you! (IBM) | 18:00 |
| * notmyname digs for a link | 18:00 | |
| jrichli | lol. there are plenty of dumb people out there! | 18:00 |
| jrichli | oops ... did I say that? | 18:00 |
| notmyname | fortunately, none of them are contributing to swift. or all the dumb swift contributors are running for ptl ;-) | 18:01 |
| notmyname | jrichli: ok, ibm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/10/ibm_claims_new_areal_density_record_with_220tb_tape_tech/ says your company is doing tape+swift | 18:01 |
| notmyname | jrichli: isn't that christian cachin (sp?) | 18:01 |
| notmyname | jrichli: can you figure out how to make sure someone working on that is going to be in vancouver? it would something great to talk about there! | 18:02 |
| jrichli | I can ask around. I did think that sounded like the researchers my group works with (when I read scrollback), but I don't know which individuals. | 18:03 |
| jrichli | gvernik had asked about it before, and I would think he would know the details better than me if its the researchers who work with my group | 18:03 |
| jrichli | will let you know what I find | 18:04 |
| notmyname | thanks | 18:04 |
| notmyname | as I've mentioned, I've talked to bde.de about something similar. I'd love for both BDE and IBM to be at the summit | 18:05 |
| clayg | sorry for the pep8 error! | 18:05 |
| clayg | and after everyone had been so kindly tolerating my blundering through managing this patch chain! | 18:05 |
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| jrichli | notmyname: ok, I will do what I can :-) | 18:12 |
| clayg | acoles: I'm looking at your diff for /info and thinking we should have gone with a whitelist instead of blacklist model | 18:13 |
| acoles | clayg: yeah i rushed the diff tbh, it is a bit backwards | 18:13 |
| acoles | sorry | 18:13 |
| clayg | acoles: it's fine - glad to have the discussion PTL'd | 18:13 |
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| acoles | clayg: you gotta get these PTLs to earn their votes :P | 18:14 |
| tdasilva | jrichli: it's also possible that Dean Hildebrand might know something about that | 18:14 |
| clayg | acoles: since it looks like people are making progress with reviews I'll hold off on fixing the pep8 screwup, until I clean up the other comments | 18:14 |
| tdasilva | and he was in Paris | 18:14 |
| acoles | jrichli: i have had conversation with Dean about tape, in Paris i think | 18:15 |
| jrichli | tdasilva: ok, I don't know him, but the name will help me to track this down. thanks! | 18:15 |
| tdasilva | jrichli: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMLK5XsU0_8 | 18:16 |
| tdasilva | cool guy and he will be in Vancouver | 18:16 |
| tdasilva | he has a couple of talks scheduled there | 18:16 |
| acoles | jrichli: watson labs maybe? | 18:16 |
| notmyname | I gotta step out for a few minutes | 18:17 |
| notmyname | my goal for the afternoon it to have a AUTHORS/CHANGELOG patch ready to go | 18:18 |
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| clayg | ok, so is everyone ok with leaving the pep8 ugliness in for today - or would you guys rather see the new patchset this am? I'm still working on the reconstructor. | 18:19 |
| clayg | acoles: did you do anything with purge & durables last night? | 18:19 |
| clayg | acoles: I'm down in the weeds on _build_job_info (it really is a non-trivial classification problem!) | 18:20 |
| acoles | clayg: i'm afraid not i reviewed proxy stuff and i have a diff i am about to post to fix something nagging me in ECDsikFile put | 18:20 |
| jrichli | acoles: ok. I have met someone from that group who was working with storage: gotta remember his name, tho | 18:20 |
| clayg | acoles: oic, not a problem - thanks | 18:20 |
| acoles | clayg: i'd rather have been coding :P | 18:20 |
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| clayg | acoles: :'( - but you do great reviews! | 18:22 |
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| torgomatic | clayg: I think if I complain about your handling of the patch chain, then I get put in charge of it... so great job! | 18:29 |
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| acoles | torgomatic: lol | 18:32 |
| acoles | clayg: i just linked a diff on patch 170339. maybe i'll get to purge/durable over weekend, idk. have to call it a day. keep up the great work! | 18:33 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170339/ | 18:33 |
| clayg | acoles: thanks - i should be able to make some real progress today - monday is going to be all +2 all the time! | 18:34 |
| acoles | clayg: btw that diff removes the test and the make_timestamp_iter that may have caused the pep8 issue :/ | 18:34 |
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| jrichli | notmyname: excuse my ignorance, but who is BDE? | 18:49 |
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| jrichli | notmyname tdasilva acoles: Indeed Dean Hildebrand is the one to speak with on tape+swift, and he will be at the summit! | 19:13 |
| jrichli | notmyname tdasilva acoles: he is giving 2 talks https://openstacksummitmay2015vancouver.sched.org/speaker/dhildeb#.VSgfVBPF-FA | 19:14 |
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| tdasilva | mm..that "From Archive to Insight" one looks interesting :P | 19:32 |
| notmyname | jrichli: BDT. a tape vendor. http://www.bdt.de/en/ | 19:33 |
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| jrichli | notmyname: thanks! I ended up chatting directly with Dean. Nice guy! | 19:35 |
| jrichli | he said that this feature would be available in the LTFS-EE product in 2015 | 19:37 |
| notmyname | interesting | 19:37 |
| notmyname | so, by far, the best part about being PTL is getting the opportunity to talk about the cool things that everyone else in the community is doing https://swiftstack.com/blog/2015/04/10/behind-the-scenes-erasure-codes-huge-community-effort/ | 19:38 |
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| * peluse is very interested to see what clayg comes up with in _build_job_info | 19:46 | |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: cool video, good job! | 19:50 |
| jrichli | +1 - and I love the very end! | 19:51 |
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| notmyname | ya, that's a joearnold -ism. he always puts a little thing like that at the end :-) | 19:53 |
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| jrichli | joe's cool. | 19:55 |
| peluse | yeah, nice blog! | 19:56 |
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| notmyname | "Various other minor bug fixes and improvements." | 21:43 |
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| MooingLemur | said every android app update ever | 21:45 |
| openstackgerrit | John Dickinson proposed openstack/swift: 2.3.0 authors and changelog updates https://review.openstack.org/172573 | 21:46 |
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| mattoliverau | Morning | 22:23 |
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| clayg | sorry guys, been in meetings and working on the reconstrcutor | 22:54 |
| clayg | *finally* I'm happy with build_jobs ;) | 22:55 |
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