Tuesday, 2015-06-23

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hogood morning!00:14
clayggood morning ho!00:14
hoclayg: hello!00:16
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homita sounds like m-eat-a (but 2 syllables), what do you think kota_?00:22
kota_ho: hmm, sounds true00:24
honotmyname: yes!00:24
kota_ho: Was the release name determined?00:25
hokota_: I don't know but notmyname wrote it here. "-)00:26
kota_ho: ah, ok.00:27
kota_check out the irc logs...00:27
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hozaitcev: you answered it (good japanese skill) :-)00:28
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kota_ok, no official anouncement about Mita release...00:31
hokota_: yeah, what was your preferable name?00:32
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kota_ho: Musashi or Musashino00:32
kota_ho: second one is the location of my office (and home)00:33
hokota_: Mitaka? I voted Musashi :-)00:33
claygho: Musashi would have been better for sure00:33
hoclayg: you love japanese monkey name right? :-) I forgot the english name.00:35
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ktsuyuzakikota_ -> ktsuyuzaki, unfortunately my NW disabled a bit.00:37
claygho: Yeah I liked macaque it because saying it sounded like an american from the north east saying "my cock" - where "cock" (the rooster) is slang for penis - i'm easily amused00:38
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claygho: I liked Musashi because - bad ass ninja00:38
hoclayg: lol00:39
claygho: I have litteraly nothing invested in mita in anyway - it's another name I couldn't care less about - I liked Grizzly - bears are cool00:40
hoclayg: you should invest to find out interestings for mita :-)00:45
claygho: oh yeah!?  is it interesting?00:47
claygho: someone said kyocera used to be called mita?00:47
claygho: so... that's crappy phones... what else?00:47
openstackgerritZack M. Davis proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: add tempurl command to swift.1 man page  https://review.openstack.org/19446100:51
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hoclayg: yeah, it's interesting for me. :-) I checked kyocera's history http://global.kyocera.com/company/summary/history/2000yrs.html00:54
claygho: (: that's awesome!00:57
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openstackgerritJohn Dickinson proposed openstack/swift: do container listing updates in another (green)thread  https://review.openstack.org/18908001:02
notmynameI'm having a tough time getting any tests to show measurable differences01:02
notmynameon that patch01:02
notmynamebut I'm also not going to do much on it for a while (or I'm not counting on that)01:03
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openstackgerritPradeep Kumar Singh proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Added check for negative segment-size  https://review.openstack.org/19446401:50
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openstackgerritPradeep Kumar Singh proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Added check for negative segment-size  https://review.openstack.org/19446401:51
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zaitcevhttps://twitter.com/MirantisIT/status/613147417081348096 - it's a promoted tweet but funny03:05
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jith_hi all.. i have configured SAIO in a VM and devstack without swift in another VM... then using CLI i tried to configure the devstack keystone for authenticating the swift(SAIO)..  but only swift stat works.. but not the list and all...05:21
jith_is it necessary i should execute swift enabled devstack script in SAIO for enabling the swift in dashboard?05:23
jith_ho: u there?05:23
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/swift: EC Ssync:  Update parms to include node and frag indices  https://review.openstack.org/19152105:32
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hojith_: i'm back. (but I only have 15 min for next meeting)06:16
jith_ho: thanks for ur response... yes in keystone i have created swift credentials and endpoints and configured keystone auth and auth token in proxy-server.conf..  so i can able to see the swift stat.. but not list06:20
hojith_: you have a SAIO env and devstack without swift. then you registered swift related users and roles to keystone in the devstack06:20
jith_list remains empty06:20
jith_ho: exactly06:20
jith_in devstack dashboard i couldnt see the swift enabled.. so should i run devstack script with swift in SAIO... i m sorry if i m wrong06:22
hojith_: thanks for the explanation! i don't know about dashborad but i think that dashboard gets swift's endoint from keystone, it might not work. i'm not sure...06:25
hojith_: can you get info from swift by swift cli/api?06:26
jith_ho: thanks :)06:26
hojith_: sorry, i have to go to meeting.06:29
jith_ho: its ok... no issues... thanks for the response...06:29
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openstackgerritKota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Add one more test for ssync_receiver  https://review.openstack.org/19451806:39
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openstackgerritKuo-tung Kao proposed openstack/swift: Use testtools for base test class  https://review.openstack.org/19296006:57
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openstackgerritChristian Schwede proposed openstack/swift: Replace xrange() with six.moves.range()  https://review.openstack.org/18546007:29
haypocschwede, ah, thanks for the updated commit title :)07:39
cschwedehaypo: you’re welcome :) hope to see this merged real soon now!07:39
haypocschwede, yeah me too, i start hating rebasing each morning07:40
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/swift: Get better at closing WSGI iterables.  https://review.openstack.org/19330308:16
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openstackgerritKuo-tung Kao proposed openstack/swift: Use testtools for base test class  https://review.openstack.org/19296009:52
kjellyI send a patch. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192960/     .    And I found that it's easy to conflict or make my patch failed if other patch change test codes.   Are there good ideas to solve the problem ?09:55
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kjellytesttools library requires that the subclass of testcase should call super.setup or super.teardown if you override setup or teardown. The requirement often break my patch if the test code of other patch forget to call super.setup or super.teardown.10:00
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haypocschwede, ah! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185460/ got two +2 but it's not approved yet :-p15:15
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haypocschwede, hum, i wanted to ask Pete Zaitcev why he didn't approve the patch but i don't see him connected on this channel15:16
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cschwedehaypo: well, I think Pete didn’t add his +A because all of us three are from the same company - someone else should have a look to16:34
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notmynamegood morning16:43
blmartingood day16:44
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MooingLemurgood 🐄rning17:11
openstackgerritMichael Barton proposed openstack/swift: go: add a few unit tests  https://review.openstack.org/19475017:15
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claygon the debate going on in https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/146766818:03
openstackLaunchpad bug 1467668 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Multi Range Read with with server side copy results in a MIME" [Undecided,Confirmed]18:03
clayg1) we probably can't change existing behavior - we'd need a new qs arg for copy or header to enable this multi-range-copy-prune behavior18:03
clayg... not that anyone was using multi-range copy on purpose - because ...18:03
claygdo we store the content-type (including the boundry) correctly with the new mime object?18:04
clayglike if you multipart copy into a new mime document - on a GET do you have enough info in the response to pull the envelope apart?18:05
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clayghrmm... idk - looks like it's all there18:10
claygso... not night and day18:12
claygit's probably just a feature request - and with an optional qs or header - I agree with notmyname - it's something the client couldn't easily do on their own and has some interesting properties18:13
notmynameclayg: I'm not sure if "existing behavior" is a thing for this one. I feel that what's there now is kindof and accident, and it's certainly not supported in any client cli/sdk18:14
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claygyeah maybe the question is if it's ever useful to *store* a multi-part mime document - or if that's really just ment to be a protocol for transfer18:16
claygwell i suppose if you were doing email archving you might backup a multi-part mime document18:17
claygmaybe that doesn't help18:18
notmynameI'm not sure if that matters for this case18:18
notmynameie content of object you might store with other operations18:18
claygnotmyname: I *just* said it's not helpful - man guy can't think outloud ;)18:21
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claygnotmyname: i'm trying to imagine someone doing multipart range requests with video/audio - get header info also some bytes...18:24
claygnotmyname: say there's some fancy caching layer mixed into swift where a youtube like link to offset 4:32 in video xyz goes viral - and they do a COPY of that request into a "hot" storage policy18:25
claygthe response of the "hot copy" should be exactly what came out of the GET18:25
notmynameyeah, that's a cool use case18:26
clayg... unless that's not what you want - then you say COPY?multipart_manifest=false18:26
claygnotmyname: i totally made it up18:26
claygaudio/video streaming is the only usecase I know of for multipart range requests18:26
notmynameI was thinking more like extracting bits of text files18:26
clayganyway - I think it's pretty intresting that there is an API command that can create new data that didn't exist before18:28
claygany the ability to tweak that command via query string (either multipart of concact) sees pretty cool18:28
occupantso we're pushing loads of video into our swift cluster and seemingly hitting its max and I'm trying to understand where it's bottlenecking. looking at iostat, it seems like 2-3 drives (out of 30) will be used at 99% whereas the rest are sitting relatively idle, causing iowait and proxy-to-storage timeouts. I kinda expected that disk access would be more distributed. Any thoughts?18:28
claygnotmyname: ^ weird timing?!18:29
claygoccupant: do you have some "hot" videos :)18:29
weroccupant: sounds like you are hotspotting on container lookup or something.18:29
occupantclayg: the load is us doing mass uploads, not user activity.18:29
claygnotmyname: i wonder if EC might help distribute IO load a little bit?!18:30
claygoccupant: oh - just use slo's18:30
claygwer: oh - yeah that's a good point too18:30
wer:)  been there18:31
claygoccupant: how big are the videos?  do you upload whole files or use the large object api to split them up into 10-100M chunks?18:31
occupantvideos are variable but can be in the gigs range, but we're chunking. brb, meeting18:32
notmynameclayg: doug says the multi-range copy use case is for pruning (dedupe) backups and for slicing out parts of videos to give the smaller data to other people18:32
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claygand the video people *also* want to just slam the data into a single object?  I guess I could see that if you know the video format really well and are super careful with your frame offsets...18:34
claygnotmyname: doesn't really matter I suppose - I'd probaby still arguee we can't get rid of the multi-part behavior or change it to do concact w/o an extra qs or header18:35
claygwer: yeah if occupant is chunking already it probably is the container updates - use more contaiers or move the containers onto their own disks I suppose.18:36
wershard! :)18:36
claygwer: do you run containers on ssd's?18:37
werno clayg.  I just run a 24 disk spinny jbod setup.18:37
notmynameclayg: yeah, maybe the video use case isn't as big of a thing (after talking with doug more)18:38
claygwer: and the same disks are in both the object and a&c rings?18:39
weryeah, I keep it really simple.  Assume all rings are the same.18:39
claygwer: yeah I really like that - cool setup18:40
werat one point I separated the container stuff.... but I dropped the complexity in favor of sharding via some middleware.18:40
claygoh interesting!18:40
werthanks!  we've been really happy with it.  doing a lot of data on ~20mb - 1gig files.18:41
werThe only thing I didn't do... was replicate the cluster.  I manually sync to another cluster.18:41
werI was too scared.18:41
werI'm in the dark ages and things have moved a lot since I deployed.18:42
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werit's all guids... so sharding was easy.   human chosen names could easily be a candidate for hotspotting IMO18:43
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openstackgerritGreg Lange proposed openstack/swift: go:  add targeted replication  https://review.openstack.org/19478719:05
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openstackgerritGreg Lange proposed openstack/swift: go: check for empty path parts in object server  https://review.openstack.org/19478919:07
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janonymous_Hi , I would like to have your opinion on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/swift/+spec/swift-bandit bp .? i donno it is much of relevance or not but must give a look at it.19:09
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notmynamejanonymous: yeah, i saw that. I'm not sure what to think of it yet19:57
notmynamejanonymous: what sort of changes would be required in swift? I'd hope that it would be an external tool19:58
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notmynamemattoliverau: I'm looking at my notes. did you get a large container DB to test with?20:38
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hurricanerixnotmyname: I am working on getting one to him.  :)20:41
notmynamehurricanerix: cool. thanks :-)20:42
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notmynameThis morning I got a phone call from someone working on behalf of Red Hat and HP. wanted to know why I didn't go to this year's red hat summit and if I could share my thoughts on last year's summit. and if I had the appropriate connections at red hat and hp for all for my technology needs20:44
notmynameI thought it was pretty funny20:44
notmyname"yes, I know people at red hat and hp who can help me if I need anything"20:44
notmynameacoles_away: tdasilva: ^20:44
tdasilvayou can catch the keynote streaming live right here: http://www.redhat.com/summit20:45
tdasilvacool demo going on right now20:45
notmynameI feel sorry for the low-level sales people who do cold calls and get my name/number. I'm such a terrible prospect for them :-)20:45
hurricanerixnotmyname: maybe that is how they haze the new sales guys.  =P20:54
notmynamehurricanerix: heh, maybe :-)20:55
elmikonotmyname: how much software would you like to buy?  ;)20:58
notmynameelmiko: I'd like 3 software, please20:58
elmiko\o/ a sale!20:58
notmynamesee how easy that was?20:58
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notmynamehi JTen :-)21:06
notmynameJTen: just out of curiosity, anything you can share about how you're using swift?21:06
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notmynametorgomatic: do you remember this patch you wrote over a year ago to add the trans-id-suffix? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93985/21:28
torgomaticnotmyname: it merged and I promptly forgot about it. why?21:28
notmynamelooks like the rest of openstack is trying to reinvent it. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156508/21:28
notmynametimburke: joeljwright: does swiftclient return the transaction id on error?21:30
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timburkenotmyname: what do we mean by "return"? i don't think it appears in the normal output...21:33
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notmynameyeah, that's all. so if there's an error does the CLi print the transaction id? or if using the sdk can the user grab the transaction id of the failed request?21:34
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notmynameseems people are asking that of various openstack clients21:35
timburkenotmyname: if you use --debug, you'll get it, but that's the only way i'm aware of21:35
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/8925021:50
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/swift: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/8873621:50
openstackgerritKota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Add policy support to dispersion tools  https://review.openstack.org/18545921:52
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notmynamehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/186635/ looks like it's a big change on how openstack tests and identifies dependencies. probably would be worth a few of us looking over it from a swift perspective21:57
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notmynamereading over that patch (^) it seems that we'll get something we've wanted in swift for a while: global requirements compatibility checking instead of exact string matching22:18
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notmynamemattoliverau: what's the status of container sharding? when can we see something and play with it?23:01
notmynamecool https://twitter.com/ercarter/status/61347674205376921623:02
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zaitcev186635 - "4. Not be fiction"23:06
zaitcevperiodic job that shifts gate practices sounds good23:09
notmynamemattoliverau: FYI I'm hearing more about problems that would be solved with the container sharding idea. ie existing software apps integrating with swift23:09
notmynamezaitcev: gate chaos monkey?23:10
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mattoliveraunotmyname: Morning, been sick all week, so need to get my bearings. But container shardings going well, haven't done as much as I liked over the last 2 weeks (sick and internal work got in the way). Hurricanerix has been awesome and organizing getting me we large containers to play with.. In the meantime playing with large containers I've built. I've hacked ssbench to allow me to specify which container to use, so I23:10
mattoliverau can benchmark reading and writing to and from shared and non shared containers. There are some pull requests and some testing thanks to blmartin.23:10
mattoliveraunotmyname: awesome. Once I get some numbers together I'll tackle shrinking23:11
blmartinspeaking of, let me know when you want me to post more bugfixes and tests mattoliverau.23:12
blmartinI don't want to flood your pull request page :)23:12
mattoliveraublmartin, will do, thanks man! Sorry I've been dead to the world, easing back into work today, so will try and look at them today.23:14
notmynamemattoliverau: thanks for the update. I hope you feel better soon23:14
notmynameI'm going to commute home now, but I'll definitely be online tonight. lots to do before tomorrow :-)23:15
mattoliverauI'm much better then I was.. Plans for the rest of the week, is getting some benchmarking numbers and pull requests :)23:15
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