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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/swift: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/88736 | 00:21 |
| kota_ | mattoliverau: o/ | 00:23 |
| kota_ | just FYI, openstack super user award voting is now open, here #link http://superuser.openstack.org/awards | 00:25 |
| kota_ | for Tokyo summit. | 00:25 |
| kota_ | Don't forget to cast your vote to one of four finalists. | 00:26 |
| kota_ | (in fact, NTT is included to the finalists :P) | 00:26 |
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| notmyname | kota_: done :-) | 00:55 |
| kota_ | notmyname: nice :-) | 00:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexandra Settle proposed openstack/swift: Documenting the ability to specify ranges for SLO segments https://review.openstack.org/231818 | 03:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Charles Hsu proposed openstack/swift: Fix replicator intersection excption when sync data to remote regions. https://review.openstack.org/231360 | 04:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | venkatesh proposed openstack/swift: remove extra 'except' clause in the code https://review.openstack.org/231864 | 07:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Add search filter examples to swift-ring-builder dispersion help https://review.openstack.org/227058 | 07:24 |
| openstackgerrit | venkatesh proposed openstack/swift: remove extra 'except' clause in the code https://review.openstack.org/231864 | 07:25 |
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| onovy | hi, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231354/ << I think this should be fixed before Liberty release. | 07:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | venkatesh proposed openstack/swift: remove unused parameters https://review.openstack.org/231347 | 08:50 |
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| kota_ | acoles: nice comment on charles's patch! that's good point for efficiency :D | 09:26 |
| acoles | kota_: hi! yay last_modified time == time it was last modified :D | 09:28 |
| acoles | kota_: well, some progress towards that ! | 09:28 |
| kota_ | acoles: :-) | 09:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Add unit tests for utils.validate_hash_path https://review.openstack.org/231905 | 09:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Add unit tests for utils.validate_hash_path https://review.openstack.org/231905 | 09:41 |
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| onovy | acoles, hi, thanks for review for swift-bench. Can you look to this regression https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231354/ please too? thanks | 09:51 |
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| acoles | onovy: is there a bug report for that ^^ ? | 10:01 |
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| onovy | acoles, no, my colleage just found that bug, and send patch | 10:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Charles Hsu proposed openstack/swift: Fix replicator intersection exception when sync data to remote regions. https://review.openstack.org/231360 | 10:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift-specs: Updates for POST on symlinks https://review.openstack.org/211331 | 10:20 |
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| onovy | acoles, ^ peterlisak author of 231354 | 10:29 |
| acoles | onovy: ok i will take a look | 10:34 |
| onovy | thanks | 10:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: replace use of deprecated rfc822.Message with a helper utility https://review.openstack.org/203304 | 12:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Lisák proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: swiftclient content-type header https://review.openstack.org/231354 | 13:15 |
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| haypo | hi. is there someone available to review my pending Python 3 patches? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/swift+topic:py3+owner:%22Victor+Stinner%22,n,z | 13:25 |
| haypo | tell me if you need an explanation | 13:25 |
| haypo | cschwede told me you are probably busy on testing RC releases and preparing the summit :) | 13:26 |
| haypo | should i wrote an email to explain the pending python3 patches? or maybe try to attend a swift meeting at the summit? | 13:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | venkatesh proposed openstack/swift: remove unused parameters https://review.openstack.org/231347 | 13:40 |
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| m_kazuhi_ | \q | 14:09 |
| m_kazuhi_ | test | 14:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mahati Chamarthy proposed openstack/swift: Guess content type on PUT and probe tests https://review.openstack.org/220897 | 14:37 |
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| eariasn | is there a way to generate an API Key for swift using Keystone AUTH ? | 14:43 |
| jrichli | mahatic: thanks for all your work on crypto! I am sorry I haven't gotten to review the content type patch yet. It's on my list! I see there are updates. Great work! | 14:45 |
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| jrichli | :-( I guess I was a couple seconds too late for mahatic_ | 14:46 |
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| hrou | +1 mahatic, I'm starting to look at those reviews now. | 14:54 |
| hrou | jrichli, ah the same thing happened to me : ) | 14:54 |
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| notmyname | good morning | 15:09 |
| notmyname | wow, lots of reviews overnight :-) | 15:11 |
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| timburke | notmyname: yeah, i noticed that too :) | 15:53 |
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| acoles | notmyname: are we meeting today? presume so, just checking. | 16:14 |
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| notmyname | yes | 16:23 |
| notmyname | we need to kick summit planning into high gear | 16:23 |
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| acoles | k | 16:32 |
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| peluse | notmyname: 2:00 Ca time right? | 17:12 |
| notmyname | correct | 17:13 |
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| notmyname | for those of you running keystone, this spec is pretty important for you to look at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181393 | 17:53 |
| notmyname | patch 181393 | 17:53 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181393/ - Adds spec for Service Catalog standardization | 17:53 |
| notmyname | (for the subject) | 17:53 |
| notmyname | the goal is to standardize what's in the service catalog returned from keystone | 17:54 |
| notmyname | part of that is to remove any version or tenant specifier for a service | 17:54 |
| notmyname | so for us that means that instead of returning https://swift.foo/v1/AUTH_{tenant_id}, keystone would now return https://swift.foo/ and the client would be responsible for deriving the api version and the swift account | 17:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Input validation must not depend on the locale https://review.openstack.org/217424 | 17:57 |
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| jrichli | notmyname: thank you for highlighting the info :-) | 18:06 |
| notmyname | :-) | 18:06 |
| notmyname | I've spend the past hour or more talking about it, plus some time yesterday. I just don't want you to have to go through that pain ;-) | 18:07 |
| notmyname | honestly, I'm very concerned about the implications | 18:07 |
| notmyname | I think this means that every client has to be rewritten (or at least validated) and swift needs to learn a few new tricks | 18:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Give LengthWrappers seek and tell if their _readable has them https://review.openstack.org/226897 | 18:21 |
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| notmyname | clayg: does vSAIO do keystone? | 18:34 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: hmm, that spec worries me too. the missing v1 is probably not the biggest challenge; however the missing tenant id seems to break current client implementations. or do i miss something here? | 18:46 |
| notmyname | cschwede: I have the same concerns. breaks existing clients | 18:46 |
| notmyname | but I'm understanding the overall context better, I think | 18:47 |
| notmyname | The required changes in swift would (probably) be to (1) implement version discovery and (2) return a redirect iff the account isn't given and there is a valid token id given. On the swiftclient side, it would need to handle (or be validated that it does already handle) the redirects. | 18:48 |
| notmyname | so yeah, I think that existing clients would break. but it's only the auth step. after that, I think everything is the same | 18:49 |
| notmyname | ie today client gets the token and endpoint. tomorrow the client gets the service endpoint and token and then constructs the endpoint | 18:49 |
| cschwede | ah, got it. yes, sounds like a plan to return a redirect to an „old-style“ url. that would also mean that clients need to „only“ handle redirects correct | 18:50 |
| notmyname | I think this means that swift is now responsible for mapping the keystone identity to a swift account. we could use the tenant_id. or anything else. but we're now responsible instead of keystone | 18:50 |
| notmyname | importantly "could it work" and "is it a good idea" do not always have the same answer | 18:51 |
| cschwede | very true! | 18:53 |
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| clayg | kota_: acoles: charz: I wanna try something with viewkeys on the 3 region ssync patch | 19:08 |
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| clayg | gd py3 | 19:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clay Gerrard proposed openstack/swift: Fix replicator intersection exception when sync data to remote regions. https://review.openstack.org/231360 | 19:18 |
| clayg | I think using the builtin intersection on the viewkeys is much better for time/space than doing keeping the references to the whole dicts and making lists with filter | 19:19 |
| clayg | let python collections work for us! | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: comments left on the spec proposal. probably means I'll have several more multi-hour conversations about it ;-) | 19:24 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: great summary, just read it. and added myself to the reviewers list, to get notifications on that topic. i’m curious about the outcome | 19:27 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: thanks | 19:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Robert Francis proposed openstack/swift: Symlink implementation. https://review.openstack.org/232162 | 19:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Hamdi Roumani proposed openstack/swift: Symlink implementation. https://review.openstack.org/232162 | 19:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Christian Schwede proposed openstack/swift: Fix ring device checks in probetests https://review.openstack.org/232184 | 19:59 |
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| redbo | Clearly we should have seen this coming 7 years ago and made container names globally unique. Then you wouldn't need the tenant ID in the path. | 20:03 |
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| timburke | man, that's *really* simplify some of the swift3 work :P | 20:10 |
| clayg | doesn't dropping the tenant ID mean you can't make public references to resources owened by a project/tenant? | 20:12 |
| clayg | oh, i guess glance probably already has uuid's for image names, not sure if zaqar let's the client name the queues (but I thought it did) | 20:12 |
| redbo | yeah it would. And I don't know how you'd do cross-account stuff. I think that's why notmyname said we'd have to redirect to the old URLs. | 20:13 |
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| notmyname | yeah so we wouldn't at all get away from an "account" in the URL. and it's only by coincidence that keystone is mapping the tenant_id to account | 20:28 |
| notmyname | we only care if something is there. don't really care what it is except that it hashes uniqiely | 20:28 |
| notmyname | so I think the normal API operations would all stay the same. just more overhead to actually get started | 20:29 |
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| notmyname | http://aws.amazon.com/importexport/ <-- so I'm mostly interested in this e-ink shipping label that automatically updates when it's time to send it back | 20:33 |
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| cschwede | i want the e-ink label on my servers telling me when it’s safe to unplug them because replication moved all the stuff somewhere else | 20:38 |
| notmyname | :-) | 20:38 |
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| torgomatic | not e-ink, but you could build that with a blink(1) and some python code | 20:42 |
| notmyname | the comments said it might be a kindle | 20:42 |
| torgomatic | you read the comments on a mainstream news publication? you're braver than I thought | 20:43 |
| mattoliverau | So long as it isn't the blink tag html code :p | 20:43 |
| mattoliverau | Also morning | 20:43 |
| blmartin | Good morning mattoliverau | 20:44 |
| mattoliverau | Also, \o/ for Oz day light savings, starting this week the swift meeting starts at a reasonable 8am | 20:44 |
| notmyname | nice | 20:44 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: I've been looking forward to that. it will make talkign to you and the EU-ians easier | 20:45 |
| mattoliverau | :) | 20:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Samuel Merritt proposed openstack/swift: Improve SLO PUT error checking https://review.openstack.org/228099 | 20:53 |
| notmyname | I took the list of everyone who's ever commented on a swift patch, found out what patches they had starred, and collated the results | 20:56 |
| notmyname | https://gist.github.com/notmyname/d361e332df68a49d4048 | 20:56 |
| notmyname | that's weighted with cores getting 2 votes and non-cores getting 1 vote per star. I want to update it so that it's weighted based on how active that person has been in swift (which I have data on now) | 20:58 |
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| kota_ | good morning | 20:59 |
| notmyname | meeting time, as soon as heat finishes up in there | 20:59 |
| notmyname | kota_: hello | 20:59 |
| mattoliverau | kota_: morning | 20:59 |
| acoles | notmyname: thanks for the headsup on the service catalog spec. interesting. | 21:00 |
| notmyname | acoles: not the adjective I would have chosen ;-) | 21:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Robert Francis proposed openstack/swift: Symlink implementation. https://review.openstack.org/232162 | 21:01 |
| acoles | notmyname: interesting == biting my tongue | 21:01 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:01 |
| klrmn1 | i thought that's innnnteresting | 21:01 |
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| acoles | hrou: jrichli would you like to schedule some time to discuss hrou's etag/conditional get proposal? sorry, i know its been there a while. tomorrow or next week? | 21:11 |
| dfg_ | mattoliverau: did you see those comments on the conc gets thing? | 21:15 |
| dfg_ | mattoliverau: am i pestering you too much about this? :) | 21:15 |
| notmyname | dfg_: during the swift team meeting? yes :-) | 21:15 |
| dfg_ | oh there's a swift meeting going on? | 21:15 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:16 |
| mattoliverau | dfg_: brielfy, but haven't really yet, I'll make it a priority today to read, comment etc. | 21:18 |
| hrou | acoles, jrichli, yea sure thing, good idea ! Can include mahatic if she can make it as well. | 21:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Samuel Merritt proposed openstack/swift: Improve SLO PUT error checking https://review.openstack.org/228099 | 21:20 |
| acoles | hrou: start of your and jrichli day may be best for time overlap | 21:21 |
| hrou | acoles, sure thing ! 9am jrichli time (as I decide on her behalf ; - ) | 21:22 |
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| acoles | hrou: ok, pick a day. i am out friday. | 21:24 |
| dfg_ | mattoliverau: ok cool. if you're cool with the comments i can try doing the work if you're doing other stuff. i want to see about getting this running | 21:25 |
| hrou | acoles, tomorrow works for me, but we'll see about jrichli, otherwise anytime next week. | 21:25 |
| mattoliverau | dfg_: I'll take a closer look post meeting :) | 21:26 |
| dfg_ | mattoliverau: thx | 21:26 |
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| jrichli | hrou, acoles: tomorrow is bad, I have a conference. | 21:40 |
| tdasilva | peluse: do you have a new version of your EC performance slides? | 21:40 |
| hrou | jrichli, acoles: No worries, Monday / Tuesday next week ? | 21:40 |
| jrichli | hrou acoles: Tuesday - since both hrou and I have a call at 8:30 Monday ;-) | 21:41 |
| peluse | tdasilva: not yet, working on getting the cluster updated to the pending liberty | 21:42 |
| acoles | jrichli: hrou tuesday work for me and gives some lead time for any others who may want to join | 21:42 |
| peluse | and having some non-swift 'challenges' right now so haven't started the runs yet | 21:42 |
| hrou | jrichli, ah right : ) 9am jrichli (10am est) time Tuesday work for you acoles | 21:42 |
| tdasilva | peluse: no worries, thanks! :-) | 21:43 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: so, these swiftclient topics… | 21:43 |
| jrichli | hrou acoles: I would love to get input from clayg and torgomatic, but I guess finding a good overlap time would be hard? | 21:43 |
| acoles | notmyname: we forgot to update the doc wrt the last minute change to .durable quorum :/ http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/overview_erasure_code.html#multi-phase-conversation | 21:44 |
| hrou | jrichli, yea, and maybe its best to have a quick chat with just us first, but we could have a broader one after (or through etherpad) ? | 21:44 |
| acoles | notmyname: is that a bug??? | 21:44 |
| jrichli | hrou: ok | 21:44 |
| acoles | jrichli: i can go later, was thinking of mahatic wrt earlier | 21:44 |
| hrou | jrichli, acoles - I'll schedule something for 9am your time jrichli (including mahatic) on Tuesday for now, and see if that works for everyone ? | 21:45 |
| jrichli | 9am CDT | 21:45 |
| hrou | Yep, will do ! | 21:45 |
| acoles | hrou: k. if we get interest we can reschedule. So is that 2pm UTC? | 21:45 |
| jrichli | ok, thx. include jlhinson as well | 21:45 |
| hrou | jrichli, sure! | 21:46 |
| hrou | acoles, yep 2pm your time : ) | 21:46 |
| acoles | hrou: nope 3pm my time ;) | 21:46 |
| acoles | uk is UTC+1 at the momemnt | 21:46 |
| hrou | acoles, gosh darn it : ) , do you have the equivalent of day light saving time? | 21:47 |
| acoles | hrou: yes BST British Summer Time | 21:47 |
| acoles | aka "slightly less dull weather" | 21:48 |
| joeljwright | acoles: aaah the British summer | 21:48 |
| hrou | acoles, and here I thought that was just a NA thing (mind you not all states I believe) | 21:48 |
| jrichli | mattoliverau timburke: do you have any plans to go to the Ghibli museum? | 21:48 |
| acoles | joeljwright: actually it was ok til this week ;) | 21:48 |
| joeljwright | acoles: last week was great (was on holiday in Cornwall) | 21:48 |
| joeljwright | most unexpectedly I ended up with sunburn :D | 21:48 |
| acoles | joeljwright: great | 21:49 |
| timburke | jrichli: i definitely would, if i were going to tokyo :( | 21:49 |
| acoles | joeljwright: oh, not so great :) | 21:49 |
| jrichli | timburke: oh, darn. I figured you were going. | 21:49 |
| timburke | the conference pass is free; the flight, not so much. only a handful of engineers from swiftstack are going | 21:50 |
| acoles | timburke: :( | 21:50 |
| timburke | eh, just as well. more time to spend with the family :) | 21:50 |
| joeljwright | at least I'm not the only one who's not going | 21:51 |
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| jrichli | oh right, joeljwright - we will miss you too. | 21:51 |
| notmyname | acoles: no not a bug. or rather, yes it should be done. doesn't need a new release for it | 21:51 |
| ho | timburke: i wanted to see your daugher's movie again :( | 21:52 |
| hrou | Wow, there's a 'Ghibli' museum, you learn something new everyday ! Yea that'd too bad timburke ! | 21:52 |
| acoles | notmyname: thats what i thought and hoped. ironically i had only just updated it from 2. | 21:52 |
| joeljwright | Planning on making the next hackathon and summit though | 21:52 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: so swiftclient topics :-) | 21:52 |
| joeljwright | I will make up the lost time! | 21:52 |
| jrichli | joeljwright +1 | 21:52 |
| jrichli | where will the next hackathon be? acoles - maybe this is your chance? | 21:53 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: I'm guessing there's keystone sessions in here somewhere…. | 21:53 |
| mattoliverau | joeljwright, timburke: that sucks (your not coming), other then you both being cool, but the icing for me was to make fun of you both being jetlagged and all. | 21:53 |
| notmyname | I'm not sure where the next hackathon will be. acoles has offered up bristol. would probably be cold | 21:53 |
| acoles | notmyname: temperate | 21:53 |
| jrichli | bristol +1 | 21:53 |
| joeljwright | bristol +1 | 21:53 |
| acoles | no top golf | 21:53 |
| hrou | IBM Toronto ! : ) | 21:54 |
| jrichli | how will we survive | 21:54 |
| notmyname | acoles: no top golf?! and you call yourself civilized! | 21:54 |
| hrou | nah bristol is probably cooler. | 21:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift-bench: Try to detect HTTP proxy and warn about it. https://review.openstack.org/210736 | 21:54 |
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| joeljwright | mattoliverau: I was jetlagged to hell last time! | 21:55 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: you mean the keystone session object thing? or "a session on keystone"? | 21:55 |
| joeljwright | session object - but I was just guessing | 21:55 |
| notmyname | yeah, something we should examine and figure out | 21:56 |
| acoles | joeljwright: jrichli i was wondering, if the hackathon came to bristol, could notmyname have a swift umbrella produced? | 21:57 |
| kota_ | bristol + 1, I might be too late? :\ | 21:57 |
| acoles | in lieu of t shirts | 21:57 |
| joeljwright | hahahaha | 21:57 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:58 |
| joeljwright | would we even get to see the t-shirt under the jumprs and coats? | 21:58 |
| ho | bristol +100 | 21:58 |
| notmyname | acoles: first google result http://www.logoprintedumbrellas.com | 21:59 |
| joeljwright | perhaps a timely article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/weather/11864067/Britain-braced-for-long-snowy-winter-as-strongest-El-Nino-since-1950-expected.html ? | 22:00 |
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| acoles | joeljwright: don't sell it too hard :P :P | 22:02 |
| joeljwright | acoles: sorry! | 22:03 |
| joeljwright | (better than rain though…) | 22:03 |
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| acoles | notmyname: knitted hats maybe better according to joeljwright | 22:03 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: same weather pattern they say will give california some water. depending on which story you read, this is really good or won't do much good | 22:04 |
| notmyname | acoles: so my sister, who's done all of the swift design work, has also been known to knit. I can't really imagine asking "hey can you knit 40 hats?" | 22:05 |
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| acoles | notmyname: well you can aaask.... | 22:05 |
| acoles | notmyname: but i can imagine the answer :) | 22:06 |
| notmyname | :-) | 22:06 |
| clayg | acoles: what's the deal with the bridge and the air ballons? | 22:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Make LengthWrappers resettable if their _readable has seek/tell https://review.openstack.org/226897 | 22:10 |
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| * tdasilva thinks we should take openstack to south america or australia....start with the hackathon :P | 22:12 | |
| tdasilva | or Africa...just thinking of some place warm in Feb/March timeframe :D | 22:12 |
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| joeljwright | tdasilva: do we always have to be warm? | 22:13 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: know any good places in south america? ;-) | 22:14 |
| notmyname | I've got a tourist visa for brazil that's good for a few more years | 22:14 |
| acoles | clayg: i'm trying to imagine a picture you have googled?? the clifton suspension bridge? built by Brunel. he built a lot of stuff, like railways. The balloons - probably the balloon festival. | 22:14 |
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| acoles | joeljwright: spoken like a true brit!! :) | 22:15 |
| notmyname | acoles: good gives http://www.mycitybookings.com/wp-content/uploads/Bristol-2.jpg for "bristol" | 22:15 |
| notmyname | that's an incredible bridge | 22:15 |
| clayg | timburke: but... but.... the test! :P | 22:16 |
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| tdasilva | joeljwright: it's just that living in new england I wouldnt mind a week in a warm place | 22:17 |
| tdasilva | :D | 22:17 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: I'm sure a good place can be found :D | 22:17 |
| joeljwright | tdasilva: :) | 22:18 |
| timburke | clayg: yeah, you've got your test! it's rolled into another because everything in test_service mocks out enough of the client connection that i can't use it. instead, i added actual validation against what reads, seeks, and tells happen in test_swiftclient, plus verification that the md5 didn't break! | 22:18 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: maybe something like this: http://embrasil.s3.amazonaws.com/upload/Hotel/P/R/R/4b55d378e0ba6f4!PRRRR.jpg | 22:18 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: probably has sharks | 22:22 |
| haypo | hello. regulray, i come here to ask for a review on my python 3 patches, but usually in the morning in my french timezone, and i don't get much feedback | 22:22 |
| haypo | should i wait one more month to see any progress for the port to python 3? | 22:22 |
| haypo | or do you need an explanation or something else on my patches? | 22:23 |
| haypo | i would like to know what should be done to make progress | 22:23 |
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| notmyname | haypo: yeah. I've seen your pleas when I wake up and in the playback buffer ;-) | 22:23 |
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| haypo | notmyname: in september, i tried to keep quiet since you wrote that you wanted to focus on EC | 22:24 |
| notmyname | yeah, and just last friday we got a lot of that wrapped up into the liberty release | 22:24 |
| notmyname | thanks for your understanding | 22:25 |
| haypo | notmyname: i'm writing python 3 patches for swift since probably one year or more, and we made very little progress | 22:26 |
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| haypo | there were real technical challenges, especially python 3 issues in dependencies | 22:26 |
| notmyname | yep | 22:27 |
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| haypo | but now the blocker point is swift itself | 22:27 |
| haypo | i hesitate to simply give up, because i prefer to work on projects which are faster to review | 22:27 |
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| notmyname | IMO it's because it's a lot of code churn with little obvious benefit and nobody has it prioritized. I don't say that to discourage you, but because identifying the state of things might help us find a way forward | 22:29 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/swift+branch:master+topic:py3,n,z <-- patches with a "py3" topic | 22:29 |
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| mattoliverau | Yeah come to Oz.. If only I actually had an office | 22:30 |
| haypo | notmyname: you may read http://techs.enovance.com/6521/openstack_python3 that i wrote almost 2 years, it explains the rationale for python 3 in openstack | 22:31 |
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| haypo | notmyname: sorry, i don't understand "identifying the state of things": what things? | 22:32 |
| mattoliverau | Tho I +1 for bristol, cause then I can also go visit my bro :) tho it'll have to be not too late in the cycle as that will be getting closer to b-day (and wife won't like me travelling to close to that time). | 22:32 |
| notmyname | haypo: why the py3 patches in swift have been so slow at being reviewed and landing | 22:33 |
| notmyname | haypo: and yeah, I think the biggest compelling reason is because distros will start shipping py3 only | 22:33 |
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| haypo | notmyname: fedora 23 scheduled for the end of the month will no more come with python2 in the base system | 22:34 |
| haypo | notmyname: (but obviously, it's still possible to install it) | 22:34 |
| haypo | notmyname: i don't know why it takes so much times to review my patches. i have no clue. that's why it's frustrating for me | 22:35 |
| haypo | notmyname: "lot of code churn" i try to write short patches and explain my changes | 22:35 |
| haypo | i asked regulary what should i do to get more attention, to get my patches reviewed, but i never get any feedback | 22:36 |
| mattoliverau | I think part of the problem with py3 changes is that when one lands usually most other changes in review needs to be rebased.. Maybe it's worth getting all py3 patches lined up, then landing them so we only have to rebase other changes once. But that would be alot of work testing... my pre-cafinated 2 cents. | 22:38 |
| haypo | mattoliverau: i never get any complain of other projects | 22:39 |
| haypo | mattoliverau: in cinder, they are merging 2 or 3 of my python 3 patches everyday | 22:39 |
| haypo | (this week) | 22:39 |
| haypo | mattoliverau: my latest python 3 patches for swift are short, there is a low risk of introducing conflicts in other pending patches | 22:40 |
| clayg | if we're close let's just get it done | 22:40 |
| haypo | but when we port a project to python 3, it's better to fix all common python 3 issues at once | 22:40 |
| clayg | i'm all for the rip the band-aid off approach esp post liberty | 22:41 |
| haypo | because it requires to modify a lot of code | 22:41 |
| notmyname | now (right after a release at at the beginning of an openstack cycle) is a better time than any for this sort of change | 22:41 |
| mattoliverau | yeah | 22:41 |
| mattoliverau | haypo: I don't know what's happening in other projects, I just now what I've heard from swift devs in channel. | 22:42 |
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| haypo | mattoliverau: ok | 22:42 |
| mattoliverau | haypo: how, is there much more patches coming? | 22:43 |
| mattoliverau | s/how// | 22:43 |
| haypo | mattoliverau: porting swift to python 3 requires to modify a lot of code | 22:43 |
| haypo | my sixer tool helps to do half of the work automatically | 22:44 |
| haypo | i ran it on master, git diff says: | 22:44 |
| haypo | 72 files changed, 319 insertions(+), 273 deletions(-) | 22:44 |
| haypo | but it should be splitted into smaller changes | 22:44 |
| haypo | for example, replace all unicode with six.text_type at once | 22:44 |
| notmyname | lol. we've been dealing with 3k diffs for ec recently ;-) | 22:45 |
| mattoliverau | haypo: Yeah, that makes it easier to review. So I rather many rather then 1 change. | 22:45 |
| clayg | i'd rather just get it done | 22:45 |
| mattoliverau | haypo: I'm suggesting, lets get all the changes up and then test and try and land them all at once (or in a short period of time). | 22:46 |
| mattoliverau | Tho I get the feeling clayg's happy with 1 huge patch. | 22:46 |
| haypo | it's not possible to write a single patch serie to port swift to pytohn 3 | 22:47 |
| haypo | the serie would be too huge, with a very high risk of conflicts. conflict when other changes are merged | 22:47 |
| notmyname | haypo: perhaps something else is to focus on functional areas of swift rather than one type of change. eg instead of changing xrange->range, instead change eg the replicator. or the container server. something testable | 22:47 |
| haypo | i prefer to work on short patch series | 22:48 |
| haypo | notmyname: my current patches follow what you describe | 22:48 |
| haypo | notmyname: i'm trying to have a very minimal subset of tests which pass on python 3 | 22:48 |
| clayg | found it ! only regression I'm aware of related to py3 so far -> I4c5f643ee291dcc1397ca951450459d8b8ad0bbd | 22:48 |
| haypo | then i would to make the python 3 gate voting to avoid regressions | 22:49 |
| clayg | and it was caught pretty quickly after it merged AFAIK | 22:49 |
| haypo | and then port code step by step | 22:49 |
| clayg | let's just merge it while we have a cycle to heal from the fallout | 22:49 |
| haypo | i mean modifying a few files to fix a single test | 22:49 |
| haypo | instead of modifying all files are once | 22:49 |
| haypo | clayg: yeah, shit happens. so i agree that the beginning of a new cycle better fits for large refactoring changes (python3) :-) | 22:52 |
| haypo | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217426/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217425/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217423/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199034/ | 22:53 |
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| joeljwright | notmyname: will try to catch you at some point re. swiftclient | 22:54 |
| haypo | notmyname: ^^ with these 4 small changes, we should have a working python3 check job | 22:54 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: ok. adding stuff to the etherpad is helpful too. thanks :-) | 22:55 |
| haypo | (oh nice, one was already approved yesterday) | 22:55 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: will do | 22:55 |
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| haypo | clayg: how long is one cycle? 6 months as other openstack projects? | 22:56 |
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| notmyname | yeah, the openstack cycle are the only date-based things we do with releases | 22:59 |
| mattoliverau | haypo: patch 217425 | 23:02 |
| patchbot | mattoliverau: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217425/ - Port swob to Python 3 | 23:02 |
| mattoliverau | but now I need to goto a meeting. | 23:02 |
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| haypo | mattoliverau, clayg, notmyname : ok, thanks for your feedback. i may try to rework my swift patches | 23:05 |
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| haypo | good night | 23:06 |
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| mattoliverau | haypo: o/ | 23:07 |
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