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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/swift: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/88736 | 03:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Add --get <key> option to `swift capabilities` / `swift info` https://review.openstack.org/276043 | 03:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Add --json option to `swift capabilities` / `swift info` https://review.openstack.org/276382 | 03:30 |
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| mahatic | acoles_: jrichli maybe it's not feature/crypto specific. I saw this on some other patches as well. for instance patch 162243 | 04:17 |
| patchbot | mahatic: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162243/ - swift - Make object creation more atomic in Linux | 04:17 |
| mahatic | like briancline mentioned i believe it's a keystone issue | 04:17 |
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| jrichli | mahatic: ah, ok. I believed it was the keystone issue, but thought it was only crypto gate tests failing due to that. thanks! | 04:18 |
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| mahatic | jrichli: yeah, np | 04:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift: Allow concurrent bulk deletes https://review.openstack.org/311817 | 04:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Improve linting for third-party middleware https://review.openstack.org/319546 | 04:48 |
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| ozeri | torgomatic: Thanks! What about GET requests? These don't use chunked encoding. DiskFile already implemeted zero_copy_send. So why not have the proxy also zero-copying between the object-server response to the client response? More specifically, the 'GetOrHeadHandler' inside proxy/controller/base.py returns an iterator on the request object data, which does not use zero copy | 05:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Prashanth Pai proposed openstack/swift: Make object creation more atomic in Linux https://review.openstack.org/162243 | 05:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mahati Chamarthy proposed openstack/swift: crypto - Add "disable_encryption" config option https://review.openstack.org/315588 | 06:21 |
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| mahatic | acoles_: thanks for your review on 319683 patch. I am off for the next few hours. Will try to address them in the night | 07:56 |
| mahatic | I only noticed those comments now. Somehow missed an email for your review update | 07:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/swift: [WIP] Testing latest u-c https://review.openstack.org/318441 | 08:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/swift: [WIP] Testing latest u-c https://review.openstack.org/318441 | 08:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kazuhiro MIYAHARA proposed openstack/swift: WIP: Swift Automated Tiering https://review.openstack.org/287057 | 08:17 |
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| acoles | briancline: yes, that looks like the culprit - thanks for fixing, my patch merged after a recheck :) | 09:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift: crypto - Add "disable_encryption" config option https://review.openstack.org/315588 | 09:27 |
| acoles | mahatic: ^^ just a tiny change to test | 09:27 |
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| acoles | mahatic: I added +A to that ^^ but it depends on this patch 318167 which needs reviews | 09:51 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318167/ - swift (feature/crypto) - crypto - test varying proxy pipeline configs | 09:51 |
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| onovy | mattoliverau: hi. did you figure out permission problems with ionice? | 10:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kazuhiro MIYAHARA proposed openstack/swift: WIP: Swift Automated Tiering https://review.openstack.org/287057 | 10:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift: Merge branch 'master' feature/crypto https://review.openstack.org/320432 | 12:55 |
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| acoles | jrichli: ^^ | 12:57 |
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| mmotiani | good morning! | 14:33 |
| jrichli | acoles: thanks for the merge. will review 318167. | 14:38 |
| acoles | jrichli: good morning. thanks, would be great to get that merged | 14:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mohit Motiani proposed openstack/swift: Add region in ring structure & deployment guide https://review.openstack.org/320146 | 14:54 |
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| mmotiani | timburke: Thanks for reviewing the patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316448 | 15:09 |
| mmotiani | Do you want me to include object-reconstructor, object-expirer and container-sync into it or shall I create a seperate bug for it ? | 15:10 |
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| tdasilva | wow, this was an interesting read: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-06-28-20.06.log.html | 15:22 |
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| cschwede | tdasilva: indeed! i also read it like an hour ago or so | 15:29 |
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| notmyname | good morning | 15:38 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: cschwede: FWIW, please don't assume that my views five years ago are 100% the same as my views today :-) | 15:38 |
| cschwede | notmyname: got it :) it’s still an interesting travel in time though, to the beginning of openstack | 15:39 |
| cschwede | and the discussions back then | 15:39 |
| notmyname | oh, yeah. very much so | 15:39 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: oh yeah, I understand...to me was just interesting to see some of the tension between teams there | 15:39 |
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| notmyname | the TC meeting today at 2000UTC in #openstack-meeting will have a couple of topics that affect swift (including the golang-related topic) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 16:06 |
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| timburke | good morning | 16:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift: crypto - purge crypto sysmeta from responses https://review.openstack.org/320579 | 16:58 |
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| acoles | timburke: ^^ includes an alternative approach to purging override headers | 16:59 |
| acoles | timburke: btw your patch was a headsup, thanks! - I had a trello card to purge headers but it was marked low priority :/ | 17:00 |
| timburke | acoles: yeah, happy to help! i just got to thinking about how to fix the slo etags and what would be involved in doing that post-encryption (which is pretty much certainly when it would get in) | 17:01 |
| acoles | please let it be so | 17:02 |
| timburke | acoles: i was thinking about that more last night, and got to wondering whether it'd actually be better to *preserve* the override-etag, so as to (1) ensure that the copied object has the same etag as the original and (2) minimize our assumptions about pipeline placement. i have to think about it some more... | 17:03 |
| acoles | timburke: so we should agree on where to clobber the override headers, then I'm +2 on your patch. | 17:04 |
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| acoles | timburke: oic, let me ponder that some more too | 17:04 |
| timburke | but i worry that view only makes sense in the context of encryption, where there's a ready way to reverse the operation on the override-etag | 17:05 |
| acoles | timburke: in crypto case the override etag of the source object is encrypted with source container key, which will break things if it finds its way to the destination container | 17:05 |
| timburke | acoles: i don't mean that copy should see the same override-etag that the object server sees. rather, that we should do the decryption on GET and rely on the encrypter doing The Right Thing on PUT | 17:07 |
| acoles | timburke: got it. interesting. | 17:08 |
| timburke | (that was the problem with the original patchset; the header coming out on GET wasn't decrypted so on PUT it got *double* encrypted) | 17:09 |
| timburke | but again, this is only an option here because we have a reversible process; i'm not sure how applicable this approach would be for other middlewares that may want to override container-listing etags | 17:12 |
| acoles | timburke: when you ( ;P ) fix slo to override the etag, then copy an old manifest, the copied source override header would override what slo now wants to send, given how left-most takes precedence | 17:16 |
| acoles | in other words, we may not want to trust the source override value. | 17:17 |
| timburke | i was planning on having slo use setdefault; i.e., trust whatever's left of it, including copy. and this would be consistent with the view that override-etag should match the source (although copy would need to setdefault the override to the received etag, i think? otherwise you'd get different behavior for old-slo+encryption/ec vs old-slo+replicated) | 17:21 |
| acoles | jrichli: this thought came to me over night https://trello.com/c/F7J1xcE0/108-include-path-iv-base-in-crypto-meta-for-listing-etag re. coping with relocated objects | 17:21 |
| acoles | timburke: yes, that's the logic I'd expect. but then if the source override etag is wrong (because old-slo did not override it) then when the manifest is copied new-slo cannot correct it. maybe that's what we'd want, but if the source has no *sysmeta* override headers (i.e. pre-crypto) then new-slo *would* add its override and the destination listing would be different from the source. | 17:25 |
| acoles | "wrong" == in eyes of new-slo | 17:25 |
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| acoles | timburke: so I wonder if the override value on a copied object should be whatever the pipeline thinks it should be now, rather than what it thought it should be in the past?? | 17:28 |
| timburke | acoles: right, hence the parenthetical. or, to have better separation of concerns, slo (not copy) could handle the defaulting on GET | 17:29 |
| notmyname | FYI the foundation published some info on the summit and the new midcycle replacement thing: https://www.openstack.org/blog/2016/05/faq-evolving-the-openstack-design-summit/ | 17:30 |
| timburke | acoles: my concern is (in part) some hypothetical third party middleware wanting to do something cutesy like allowing vanity etags via a custom header | 17:31 |
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| hurricanerix | notmyname I took one of your blueprints and create a new idea page in the wiki for it: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/ideas/network_security | 17:31 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: thanks | 17:32 |
| acoles | timburke: what did you mean by "received etag" - received from the source of the copy? I think i am confused | 17:34 |
| timburke | the honest-to-god Etag header that came out of the GET at that point in the pipeline | 17:35 |
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| acoles | timburke: I'm still not sure that copy middleware should be dictating the override value for the PUT part of the copy. | 17:42 |
| acoles | timburke: I gotta go, will think mor eon it | 17:42 |
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| timburke | acoles: yeah, part of why i was realizing that slo may have to (oddly enough) set it on GET just so gatekeeper can strip it out again if this wasn't part of a COPY | 17:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift: crypto - purge crypto sysmeta from responses https://review.openstack.org/320579 | 17:44 |
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| jrichli | acoles_: re: save iv_base in path sounds good. That is basically what I was trying to capture in https://trello.com/c/xFGTzVD7/110-low-priority-store-key-id-in-crypto-meta-not-in-its-own-header | 17:57 |
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| clayg | weeeee | 18:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Add --get <key> option to `swift capabilities` / `swift info` https://review.openstack.org/276043 | 18:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Add --json option to `swift capabilities` / `swift info` https://review.openstack.org/276382 | 18:40 |
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| notmyname | if you didn't see this, burton snowboards is using swift and is on the openstack superuser site http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/how-burton-snowboards-is-carving-down-the-openstack-trail | 19:30 |
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| tdasilva | torgomatic: Hello! I've been reading up on the symlinks patch and specs and noticed that your original spec called out for 3 headers (account, container, object) plus the ?symlink=true parameters. Was there some specific reason for having 3 params instead of one or two similar to copy and object versioning? | 19:49 |
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| torgomatic | tdasilva: probably just for flexibility | 19:54 |
| torgomatic | but we should either do 3 or 1, not 2 | 19:54 |
| tdasilva | yeah, was thinking of just 1... | 19:54 |
| torgomatic | OTOH, it's nice to be able to refer to just another container without having to get your account name | 19:55 |
| torgomatic | if you're using swiftclient or something, you might not even really know what it is | 19:55 |
| torgomatic | or confuse it with your auth username, so you end up symlinking to bob/logs/latest.tar.gz instead of CloudNXT_b2569bc0605f80292984cd1fdd876dc5/logs/latest.tar.gz and then it doesn't work | 19:56 |
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| * tdasilva nods...thinking.. | 19:59 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift: Add links to mitaka install guides https://review.openstack.org/320655 | 20:39 |
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| clayg | timburke: ^ good one! | 21:08 |
| clayg | notmyname: *AND* the merge! noice | 21:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mohit Motiani proposed openstack/swift: Add description of server options (all, main, rest) for swift-init help https://review.openstack.org/316448 | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | FYI logs from the TC meeting. the stuff that affects swift starts at 20:36:54 http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-05-24-20.01.log.html | 21:43 |
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| clayg | notmyname: good stuff!? | 22:00 |
| clayg | notmyname: need the synopsis | 22:00 |
| clayg | notmyname: "swift is great; O$ get's it" | 22:00 |
| notmyname | there were a lot more people on the TC that support "don't add languages, golang code should be external-to-openstack dependencies" than I expected | 22:01 |
| clayg | notmyname: crazy | 22:01 |
| notmyname | however, there were some strong opinions for either "yes golang + TC shouldn't restrict" or "yes golang + TC should offer some guides" | 22:02 |
| notmyname | no conclusions yet | 22:02 |
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| mattoliverau | morning | 22:31 |
| clayg | holy oslo batman - my email to exploded? | 22:31 |
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| mattoliverau | clayg: lol, mine too.. this is why we dont use oslo :P (joke for moderators reading this). | 22:33 |
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| notmyname | if you were filtering that, there was a message last week that they changed the tag. instead of [release], it's now [new] | 22:33 |
| notmyname | sorry i didn't pass that on at the time | 22:33 |
| clayg | notmyname: I want to make some joke about PTL's but I can't think of anything that's not obviously a hyperbolic rib for a laugh - suffice to say - np | 22:35 |
| briancline | that's easily one of the most exhausting meeting logs i've read | 22:46 |
| clayg | phew, glad I didn't read it then - i'm already exhausted | 22:50 |
| notmyname | heh | 22:50 |
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| mattoliverau | I'll read it as a bed time story then.. or will it give me nightmares? | 22:57 |
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| CaioBrentano | hi all! someone could explain me what is the dispersion note after a rebalance? | 23:42 |
| clayg | CaioBrentano: unfortunately no one can be *told* what dispersion is - you have to see it - `swift-ring-builder my.builder dispersion -v` (or --help) | 23:44 |
| clayg | CaioBrentano: that was a joke btw, i mean you should look at the dispersion table - and it would *hopefully* say something you can make some sense of - but if not - you can throw it in a paste and someone around here can take a stab at words | 23:45 |
| clayg | we may even get a new idea for a usability improvment out of the deal - so it's a win/win! | 23:45 |
| CaioBrentano | I mean... what is the meaning of the sentense "Dispersion of 58.922195 indicates..." | 23:45 |
| clayg | CaioBrentano: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/overview_ring.html#dispersion maybe? | 23:47 |
| CaioBrentano | clayg I've read that, but I couldn't figure out how to manage this "Dispersion info" after my rebalance | 23:48 |
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| CaioBrentano | clayg is there any doc about how to analyse and optimize? | 23:49 |
| clayg | CaioBrentano: well you can't reall "manage" it - it's just an observed state after partition placement - a value of ~60% is bad tho | 23:49 |
| clayg | CaioBrentano: you can trade balance for dispersion with overload - but that's not normally a long term solution | 23:49 |
| clayg | CaioBrentano: if you're doing a gradual topology migration it might be expected (adding a second region or something) | 23:50 |
| mattoliverau | CaioBrentano: have you run the command that clayg mentioned? `swift-ring-builder my.builder dispersion -v` will point to the locations that are not dispersed properly. From there you might be able to decide where you need more storage or override. | 23:50 |
| clayg | CaioBrentano: well the dispersion table output will have the most analysis that would be useful - you can break it down by server/zone/region using filters on that command - which is sometimes useful (see the --help) | 23:51 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: *overload ;) | 23:51 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: thanks... it's still pre-coffee tiem :) | 23:52 |
| CaioBrentano | mattoliverau clayg I've tried this command without "-v" ! I think that is what I was looking for :) | 23:52 |
| mattoliverau | CaioBrentano: great! | 23:53 |
| CaioBrentano | clayg mattoliverau thanks a lot! | 23:53 |
| clayg | cschwede: that dispersion table was a good idea - and kudos mattoliverau for beating it into shape - #winning | 23:56 |
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