Tuesday, 2016-06-07

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zaitcevgo install: no install location for directory /root/hail/swift-go/go/bench outsi01:52
zaitcevde GOPATH01:52
zaitcev        For more details see: go help gopath01:52
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kota_hello world04:09
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mattoliveraukota_: o/04:19
kota_mattoliverau: o/04:20
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openstackgerritMatthew Oliver proposed openstack/swift: Add end_marker and reverse options to direct_client  https://review.openstack.org/32622604:56
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openstackgerritKota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Add Pros/Cons table for global clusetr consideration  https://review.openstack.org/30438205:27
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openstackgerritKota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Apply container update probe to both of REPL/EC  https://review.openstack.org/32277307:46
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openstackgerritDavanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/swift: [WIP] Testing latest u-c  https://review.openstack.org/31844108:10
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openstackgerritKota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Last-Modified header support on HEAD/GET container  https://review.openstack.org/19863308:21
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openstackgerritAlistair Coles proposed openstack/swift: Last-Modified header support on HEAD/GET container  https://review.openstack.org/19863309:11
acoleskota_: fixed couple of typos in commit message, +2, thanks09:11
kota_acoles: alright, thanks!09:20
kota_acoles: I updated  patch 322773 too09:21
patchbotkota_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322773/ - swift - Apply container update probe to both of REPL/EC09:21
acoleskota_: yep I saw, thanks09:21
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kota_is going to heading for home to take care of kids.09:22
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openstackgerritChristian Schwede proposed openstack/swift: Add ringbuilder tests for --yes option  https://review.openstack.org/32637310:38
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openstackgerritAlistair Coles proposed openstack/swift: Last-Modified header support on HEAD/GET container  https://review.openstack.org/19863311:02
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openstackgerritChristian Schwede proposed openstack/swift: Add simple multiple server type test  https://review.openstack.org/32639911:45
openstackgerritMerged openstack/swift: swift-ring-builder --yes option  https://review.openstack.org/32343811:48
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openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: client: renew token on 401 even if retries is 0  https://review.openstack.org/32647513:52
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openstackgerritAlistair Coles proposed openstack/swift: crypto - remove unnecessary changes  https://review.openstack.org/32650014:17
acolesjrichli: please check that for me if you have time ^^ thanks14:17
acolesjrichli: it's pieces that were left over after I built a condensed patch chain14:18
jrichliacoles: will do!14:21
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openstackgerritoshritf proposed openstack/swift: Add thread level concurrency to container sync  https://review.openstack.org/22533815:31
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notmynamegood morning15:54
notmynameacoles: good review comment. yeah, I'm planning on landing that changelog today and I'll look at incorporating that tempurl header thing15:54
notmynamewow. quite a passionate comment from dfg on the golang patch15:59
openstackgerritChristian Schwede proposed openstack/swift: Add ringbuilder tests for --yes option  https://review.openstack.org/32637316:00
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mahatic_notmyname: yeah, it can't be more explicit. Also thanks for updating the status in IRC from time to time.16:14
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jrichlidfg: good points16:28
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jrichliacoles: I am thinking we may need a new unit test case that essenitally combines these two situations: TestEncrypter test_PUT_nothing_read and test_PUT_with_etag_override_in_headers16:37
jrichliacoles: I will probably just write that and see what happens - I think we'd end up with an encrypted listing etag when the normal etag is plaintext16:38
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jrichliand in that case there might not be any indication of this encryption in listing ... gotta check that16:40
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acolesjrichli: sounds like a test would be useful. what do you refer to by "indication of this encryption in listing"? do you mean crypto-meta would be missing?16:42
jrichliyes16:42
acolesjrichli: https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/e6898c2a8df9cc3175efdce70d7b804375e8eda2/swift/common/middleware/encrypter.py#L152-L15216:43
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timburkegood morning16:44
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jrichliacoles: right.  if that is all that triggers the decrypt, then i guess it'd be fine to have unencrypted etag with encrypted etag listing.  seems weird tho.16:45
acolesjrichli: when decrypting the container listing there is nothing else to go from. I agree the inconsistency is undesirable, not a disaster, bit probably simple to fix.16:46
acolesjrichli: for example, do not encrypt override etag if it equals EMPTY_ETAG16:46
acolesjrichli: write the test! :)16:47
acolestimburke: good morning16:47
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jrichliacoles: ok, thx.  will do after lunch16:52
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acolesjrichli: mahatic_ just noticed this TODO https://trello.com/c/B4lmJw7Q/116-add-test-for-non-zero-offset-in-test-create-decryption-context16:59
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openstackgerritAlistair Coles proposed openstack/swift: crypto - remove stale TODOs  https://review.openstack.org/32665417:02
acolesjrichli: mahatic_ ^^ another trivial cleanup17:02
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notmynamedid tdasilva already go to brazil?17:18
notmyname10 messages to patch 312267 in the last few hours. /me grabs popcorn17:24
patchbotnotmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312267/ - governance - add golang as an approved language17:24
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openstackgerritChristian Schwede proposed openstack/swift: Refactor locale tests and unicode issue  https://review.openstack.org/32395018:22
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/swift: crypto - remove unnecessary changes  https://review.openstack.org/32650018:42
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openstackgerritMohit Motiani proposed openstack/swift: Removed whitespaces from swift-ring-builder manpage  https://review.openstack.org/32670319:10
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openstackgerritMohit Motiani proposed openstack/swift: Removed whitespaces from swift-ring-builder manpage  https://review.openstack.org/32670319:12
openstackgerritMohit Motiani proposed openstack/swift: Removed whitespaces from swift-ring-builder manpage  https://review.openstack.org/32670319:13
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swiftfanand then this happened:  "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one"19:16
swiftfanand then this:  "only a great fool would reach for what he was given..."19:16
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notmynamewell then. get back to lunch and see 3 more -1s on the golang review19:30
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notmynameok, regardless of what happens in the TC meeting in 15 minutes, please don't ragequit19:45
notmynameredbo: dfg: ^ ;-)19:46
ahale:)19:46
ahalei think dfg maybe pre-emptively ragequit19:47
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notmynamein the last week or so, I've been thinking about what happens depending on the TC decision. I've got some ideas, and I'll try to refine them based on whatever happens at the meeting19:49
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notmynameplease don't go throwing rocks at a hornets' nest19:52
tqtrannotmyname: question, looks like the swift specs is dead? Im guessing for new features, just exclusively use the bp on launchpad?19:56
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notmynametqtran: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094026.html19:57
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notmynamehere we go20:00
tqtrangot it, thanks :D20:00
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notmynametc meeting starting now in #openstack-meeting for those who are interested20:02
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notmynameredbo: et al. note that everyone has already agreed that golang is the right technical direction for swift. no need to keep selling "but it's technically better". that won't change anyone's mind for the better20:08
notmynameredbo: you are, of course, absolutely right20:08
redboBut technically right is the best kind of right20:09
notmyname:-)20:10
swifterdarrellif only there were a committee of technical people to evaluate something like this20:11
redbohaha20:11
redboI'm just saying python3 with asyncio is a huge rewrite anyway.20:11
redboAnd won't fix a lot of problems20:12
ahaleif learning go is a big enough problem then jumping from eventlet to asyncio would probably split the commmunity just as much20:14
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notmynameahale: many people have pointed out that the hard problem of cross-project work isn't the language. it's actually understanding the problem and how the project is solving it20:16
notmynamejust because you know python and are great at nova doesn't mean you'll be able to make great changes to swift. and vice versa20:16
ahalethat sounds sensible, have these people been pointing that out on the review ?20:16
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ahalecos it is full of crazy today20:17
notmynamespecialization is good. and specialization != fragmentation20:17
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notmynameat this point I'm not sure what was in the messages I wrote and deleted and the ones I wrote and sent ;-)20:18
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ahaleit seems that they are much more in favour of just being some api glue20:18
notmynamethe deleted ones were a little more ... "angry"20:18
ahale:) i know whats in mine cos i havent sent anything i've written20:18
zaitcevhttps://www.mirantis.com/blog/hp-enterprise-splits-again/ - anyone knows if acoles is fired yet20:22
zaitcev<_<20:23
zaitcev>_>20:23
zaitcev(not quite a shitpost - I'm actually concerned about top-down effective management)20:23
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ahaleit seems totally reasonable for openstack to ship an object-store without an actual object-layer20:39
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notmynameTC meeting is over. log at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-06-07-20.01.log.html21:14
notmynamesummary is .... nothing, right now21:15
notmynamethey will reject the current proposal, but I'm to work with someone on a new proposal about how new languages should be introduced21:15
notmynamefor now, we should absolutely continue as we decided in austin21:15
notmynameand maybe now that some of the discussions are done for the time being, I'll be focusing on defining the specific scope of the golang code we want in master21:16
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notmynamewhile I'm happy that the TC didn't say that swift has to arbitrarily split into two separate repos, the overall debate hasn't been settled21:20
notmynameand if the TC decides to special-case swift to allow golang, then that will make future openstack political stuff harder. I've worked for years to convince people that swift isn't special-cased in openstack, so if the TC does that, it makes future debates harder21:20
notmynamehowever, end-users will win, and that makes up for it21:21
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zaitcevOr maybe if we hack quickly enough Hummingbird becomes THE SWIFT and the rest is just some kind of WSGI compat thing for middlewares, so we have 1 repo after all.21:22
ahaleand they won'y have to take the bit about scale off the mission statement21:22
zaitcevBTW, I figured out my mistake - http://zaitcev.livejournal.com/234578.html21:23
notmynamezaitcev: right. that was weird to me to when I was setting it up. having to be in GOPATH21:23
notmynameFYI http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096810.html21:31
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torgomaticso many words expended to accomplish so little21:39
mattoliverauMorning21:56
notmynamehello mattoliverau21:56
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* mattoliverau needs a coffee before he can go read those minutes. 22:01
notmynamemattoliverau: torgomatic's summary is sufficient ;-)22:02
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mattoliveraulol, great! torgormatic, can you summurise all the things in the future :p22:09
openstackgerritJohn Dickinson proposed openstack/swift: AUTHORS/CHANGELOG updates for 2.8.0 release  https://review.openstack.org/32474222:12
notmynameI'm about to land that patch ^ and cut the 2.8 release from its SHA22:12
timburkebest release yet!22:16
notmynameit does have the biggest version number22:17
pdardeaunotmyname: one of the osic guys outside of swift was asking 'what prompted those swift guys to look at go?'22:20
notmynamepdardeau: what'd you say?22:20
pdardeaunotmyname: got any nice links that summarize everything from the beginning?22:20
notmynameyeah, torgomatic's emails. let me find links22:20
pdardeaunotmyname: thx22:21
pdardeaui saw that he just had a reply that was nice and succinct, but i know that there are others22:21
notmynamepdardeau: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094549.html and http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094720.html22:21
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pdardeauthis one too: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096813.html22:25
notmynameright. that's the succinct summary of the others :-)22:26
pdardeaunotmyname: my answer are these links and a set of nicks22:28
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pdardeaunotmyname: set of nicks = (redbo, dfg, nadeem, scotticus, notmyname, torgomatic)22:31
openstackgerritMerged openstack/swift: go: make sure replicator picks up ring changes  https://review.openstack.org/32615422:40
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/swift: AUTHORS/CHANGELOG updates for 2.8.0 release  https://review.openstack.org/32474223:42
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