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| kota_ | good morning | 01:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Avoid docs warning: Duplicate explicit target name https://review.openstack.org/329307 | 02:20 |
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| jrichli | notmyname, acoles: I also did not see the diff. I will be take a look first thing when I start work in about 8 hours, though (I assume the diff will be posted then) | 04:17 |
| timburke | jrichli: go to sleep! | 04:27 |
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| acoles | notmyname: jrichli sorry, missed the paste of link to diff, on gerrit now and https://gist.github.com/alistairncoles/17d08e820f5e7026ea59234177dacdab | 07:16 |
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| kota_ | done for walkking through encryption-2. probably changes are getting bigger walking to the tail of chain :/ | 12:16 |
| kota_ | stop today's work here, preparing to get back home. | 12:17 |
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| jrichli | acoles: +1 on diff. I like the simplicity | 13:03 |
| acoles | kota_: actually the 2nd patch may be the toughest for review. thanks for your comments. | 13:04 |
| acoles | jrichli: ack | 13:04 |
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| notmyname | acoles: brief glance at your diff, and it's looks good | 15:02 |
| notmyname | /commuting | 15:02 |
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| acoles | timburke: kota_: thanks for great reviews on patch 328294, I replied to all your comments even when a reply wasn't necessary just to help me keep track of things. | 15:21 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328294/ - tripleo-quickstart - add ssh config to collect-logs (MERGED) | 15:21 |
| acoles | If I missed anything please shout. | 15:21 |
| acoles | yeah, not that one, patch 328204 | 15:22 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328204/ - swift (feature/crypto-review) - Support for http footers - Replication and EC | 15:22 |
| acoles | I'm sure the other is great too | 15:22 |
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| jrichli | I was wondering what sort of performance testing had been performed on EC when it was going through the final review chain process. | 15:43 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: intel had a pile of hardware they did some tests with. we did some in our lab | 15:46 |
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| jrichli | notmyname: ok, thx. I knew that testing had occurred, but wasn't sure of the time line | 15:48 |
| notmyname | hmmm...it was close-ish to when the feature landed. I think it was presented at the summit after it landed | 15:48 |
| jrichli | how much perf testing do we need of crypto before it lands? | 15:49 |
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| timburke | good morning | 15:58 |
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| ma9 | hi | 15:58 |
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| notmyname | hi | 15:59 |
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| notmyname | timburke: what's up? sorry, giving reports... | 15:59 |
| ma9 | does anybody know… is it possible to configure Keystone to trust the SSH authentication which happened on a machine | 15:59 |
| ma9 | that means | 15:59 |
| ma9 | who logs in this machine can push files into Swift without need to type is password | 16:00 |
| ma9 | Kerberos could be an option, but the people who log into this machine might enter with SSH keys | 16:00 |
| ma9 | so then there would not be a Kerberos token | 16:00 |
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| timburke | ma9: that might be a better question for #openstack-keystone; the way i imagine it working would still require that you contact keystone to obtain an auth token, and that auth token would be used with swift in the normal way | 16:02 |
| ma9 | i'll ask there as wlel | 16:02 |
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| timburke | there might also be something you could do with client certificates, but i think it would require a decent bit of development to have proper user separation | 16:25 |
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| timburke | (at least, if you *just* use client certs and bypass keystone) | 16:26 |
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| ma9 | in iRODS (something vaguely similar to swift) one can put a secret key readable only by a system user in a folder . When a user does an upload/download operation when logged on that host, the client application runs a SETUID binary which includes that key into hits request… that works as a token that certifies he logged correctly on that machine and is therefore trusted | 16:29 |
| ma9 | *into his request | 16:29 |
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| timburke | so would every user that logs in auth with the same keystone/swift credentials? you could probably do something similar fairly easily; have your system user own a script that provides credentials then wraps swiftclient and only he can read/modify/execute, and build a SETUID binary to wrap *that*. you'll need to take some care to disable debugging output, though, as it would include the token sent to swift | 16:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Petr Kovar proposed openstack/swift: Add install-guide for swift https://review.openstack.org/330070 | 16:43 |
| ma9 | no, every user would use his own account | 16:45 |
| ma9 | just the authentication trust is delegated to the fact that the user logged in that server via SSH | 16:46 |
| ma9 | irods is doing some tricks which i guess are not really 'standard'.. maybe in keystone it's not possible to do it (yet?) | 16:47 |
| notmyname | ma9: I just talked to some other people here (swiftstack office) about that. we've run in to the "SSO sure would be nice" request before, and we currently support AD/LDAP in our product separate from keystone. but we haven't done the SSO stuff yet | 16:52 |
| notmyname | ma9: so I say that because I was hoping for a better answer than the one you were getting (ie "good luck with keystone"). so take heart that your aren't the only one who's looked in to it, but unfortunately, I don't think anyone has done any SSO with swift to date | 16:54 |
| notmyname | acoles: shall I assume you'll be pushing a new patch chain tonight? | 16:55 |
| acoles | notmyname: yes | 16:55 |
| notmyname | I hoping that's more than "you can assume anything you like" ;-) | 16:56 |
| ma9 | thanks notmyname | 16:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Or Ozeri proposed openstack/swift: Raise 412 response on expirer https://review.openstack.org/326903 | 16:59 |
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| acoles | notmyname: :) yes, patches will come | 17:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Travis Tripp proposed openstack/swift: WIP Oslo.messaging middleware https://review.openstack.org/249471 | 18:26 |
| notmyname | jrichli: you said something last week IIRC about getting reaperhulk or others to go over the crypto code. did that happen? | 18:48 |
| notmyname | jrichli: I'm looking at the Crypto class and the iv generation and basically thinking "well, looks like it doesn't have any syntax errors. no idea if it's 'good' or not" | 18:49 |
| jrichli | we only got feedback from one of those people: cca / ccachin | 18:49 |
| jrichli | i will ping again | 18:49 |
| notmyname | like the derived iv seems based on md5? I thought that was bad? but I really don't know | 18:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Daisuke Morita proposed openstack/swift: WIP: Changing Policies https://review.openstack.org/209329 | 18:50 |
| jrichli | the iv is only derived for the md5. it is derived from the path. there is a small explanation of this in the docs, but I was working on another explanation to have in the code. | 18:52 |
| jrichli | there is a way, with this, that an attacker could determine if different versions of objects put at the same path are equal. | 18:52 |
| jrichli | but the contents would not be revealed. you can also see the discussion at : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_encryption_issues | 18:53 |
| jrichli | for the body, we use random ivs | 18:54 |
| jrichli | notmyname: the challenge is: we need the if-match to work without fetching saved-off info. that sort removes any chance for randomness ... | 18:57 |
| notmyname | jrichli: I think you're still quite a few steps ahead of me in understanding the details of how it's put together :-) | 18:58 |
| timburke | jrichli: contents of the body, or of the etag? if the attacker could determine a limited set of possibilities for one of the etags (say, because the size of the object was a single byte), will that cause problems? | 18:59 |
| jrichli | timburke: I think I understand what you are getting at. I think the 1 byte example is not a concern - cause there isn't much hiding there no matter waht you do. | 19:03 |
| jrichli | I'll have to think about cases along those lines, tho | 19:03 |
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| timburke | for the etag of the single-byte object, sure; it's unavoidable. what about the other, larger object that was PUT to the same path? i think the set of possible values (from the attacker's perspective) for its etag goes from 2**128 to 2**8 | 19:07 |
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| jrichli | timburke: I would be interested in seeing how you derived that number. this is the set of possible values expressed in terms of what variable(s)? the root secret does come into play here | 19:13 |
| timburke | jrichli: the 2**128 is the space of all possible MD5s. since we know that the same key and iv was used, we know that small_etag_p xor small_etag_c == large_etag_p xor large_etag_c (with _p and _c marking each as plaintext or ciphertext). so we know that large_etag_p will large_etag_c xor small_etag_c xor small_etag_p for one of the 2**8 possible values of small_etag_p | 19:19 |
| * timburke lunches | 19:20 | |
| jrichli | timburke: I will be able to think deeper on this later today. i'll get back with you. thanks for the details :-) | 19:29 |
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| timburke | jrichli: sounds good, thanks. fwiw, notmyname pointed out while we were waiting for lunch that if you have the container db, you may have a decent chunk of the history for the objects in that container as deleted rows | 19:52 |
| acoles | notmyname: timburke kota_ cschwede jrichli torgomatic new version of all crypto-review patches just pushed (gerrit-bot didn't announce them) | 19:55 |
| acoles | thanks for all the comments! | 19:56 |
| timburke | acoles: i thought i saw a bunch of emails just now ;-) | 19:56 |
| acoles | back later for meeting | 19:58 |
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| jrichli | timburke: btw, to answer the first question you had asked me, I meant contents of the body. I think for etags, we need to think about how vulnerable the obj body is if the etag is known. | 20:00 |
| jrichli | I have heard this one debated. | 20:01 |
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| timburke | jrichli: yeah, and it gets messy quick if we start wanting to worry about things like digital signatures that may be based on the MD5 of the object | 20:04 |
| timburke | hmm...i should look at how swauth stores passwords... | 20:04 |
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| kota_ | morning | 20:55 |
| dmorita | morning, kota_ | 20:55 |
| kota_ | dmorita: o/ | 20:56 |
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| notmyname | meeting time in #openstack-meeting | 20:59 |
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| notmyname | joeljwright: are you able to follow up on the docs version sidebar patch, or shall I? | 21:06 |
| joeljwright | I saw another comment today | 21:06 |
| joeljwright | I'll follow up on it now | 21:06 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | acoles: I think clayg is back next week, so I'm sure we'll have a lot more crypto patches when he gets a hold of it ;-) | 21:37 |
| acoles | notmyname: yeah I am waiting for the onslaught ;) | 21:38 |
| notmyname | maybe we can get it good enough before he gets to it (unlikely) ;-) | 21:38 |
| jrichli | notmyname: I was just wondering about clayg :-) | 21:38 |
| timburke | acoles: what, am i not doing a good enough job? :P | 21:38 |
| acoles | notmyname: can't we land it late on Sunday :P | 21:38 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:38 |
| acoles | timburke: no, no, you are doing just fine :D | 21:38 |
| * acoles wonders what tomorrow will bring to his inbox | 21:40 | |
| acoles | good night! | 21:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Catch AttributeError less often https://review.openstack.org/329713 | 21:40 |
| jrichli | I was thinking torgomatic probably has good suggestions for us not only for footers, but on the crypto iv/key stuff that notmyname was looking at | 21:40 |
| jrichli | acoles: good night | 21:40 |
| kota_ | acoles: good night | 21:41 |
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| joeljwright | notmyname: I have replied to the sidebar comments, and I'll follow up as soon as I get a definitive answer about defining the new config var | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | joeljwright: I appreciate it. thanks | 21:49 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: so I just checked the news. why did you have a navel battle in the middle of london today? I thought my country's politics were crazy | 21:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/swift: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/88736 | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: woohoo! reaperhulk just left a comment on the patch chain. means he's at least looking at it :-) | 21:59 |
| jrichli | i just pinged him after the meeting :-) | 21:59 |
| notmyname | thanks :-) | 21:59 |
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| notmyname | timburke: remember how we were talking about the iv derivation. well, I changed the code and a whole bunch of tests work. from this I can conclude it's probably the way it is for a reason | 22:47 |
| notmyname | s/work/broke/ | 22:47 |
| notmyname | not sure how I made that typo | 22:47 |
| timburke | hahaha | 22:47 |
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