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| notmyname | MadOtis: basically, I've been trying to dig into keystone's source to find what's happening. it's fully of plugin interfaces and class inheritance and getters/setters, so it's slow going | 00:35 |
| MadOtis | Been there, have the cross-eyes to prove it. :) | 00:35 |
| notmyname | but basically, if keystone doesn't think you've set the auth version, then it tries to discover it, and that's what's throwing the error | 00:35 |
| notmyname | I don't know why the error is being thrown, but the issue is really why it doesn't think the auth version has been set | 00:36 |
| MadOtis | gotcha | 00:36 |
| notmyname | well, that's what was happening when you had v3 set | 00:36 |
| notmyname | I assume that if you use v2, everything still works and it's just a different api to the same thing, but I really don't know that to be true | 00:36 |
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| notmyname | but the 401 error you got with the v2 seems more promising than the 503 with v3 | 00:37 |
| notmyname | also, AFAIK, the swift client supports auth v3 with keystone, so I'm not sure what's going on there either | 00:37 |
| notmyname | so I think what needs to happen is to properly specify the auth version so it doesn't do the discovery | 00:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift: Expose encryption status to client https://review.openstack.org/348604 | 01:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Lisák proposed openstack/swift: Recon's get_diskusage and get_unmounted return all devs. https://review.openstack.org/348803 | 09:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Simple code and improve the readability of the code https://review.openstack.org/348149 | 13:26 |
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| ntata | clayg, Thanks for rebasing and all the help with reviews for patch 347546 :) | 13:53 |
| patchbot | ntata: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347546/ - swift - Moved ipv4 & ipv6 validations to the common utils | 13:53 |
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| lcurtis | could someone suggest some ways of moving to erasure coding from an existing huge swift cluster | 15:27 |
| lcurtis | rebalancing is killing us | 15:27 |
| lcurtis | am i better off creating a new cluster? | 15:28 |
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| tdasilva | lcurtis: Interestingly OVH has proposed a talk for the next summit titled: "How to migrate a large Swift cluster to Erasure Coding?" | 15:33 |
| tdasilva | but I don't know if OVH guys hang out here | 15:33 |
| lcurtis | :) | 15:33 |
| lcurtis | thanks tdasilva | 15:34 |
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| notmyname | good morning | 15:52 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: you should talk to rledisez | 15:52 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: what's the rebalancing problems you're seeing? | 15:52 |
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| rledisez | hello lcurtis | 15:57 |
| rledisez | yes, there is a major problem of rebalancing EC cluster | 15:57 |
| rledisez | what EC config have you? (fragment number) | 15:58 |
| rledisez | notmyname: the problem is mainly that when you rebalance, the reconstructor can decide to run a SYNC job because it does not find the fragments in place (because the corresponding REVERT job has not been done yet). so, you end up with n+m requests instead of one (n+m == fragments) | 15:59 |
| rledisez | notmyname: for us, it's 15 instead of 1 | 15:59 |
| rledisez | so it creates a huge IO load on the cluster | 15:59 |
| rledisez | notmyname: for now, we disable SYNC when we rebalance | 15:59 |
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| lcurtis | hello <rledisez> | 16:30 |
| lcurtis | we are not using ec right now..using replicas | 16:30 |
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| lcurtis | our servers under constant load during rebalance | 16:30 |
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| lcurtis | we also seem to only be able to use 60% of usable disk space ..the more data we have on disks, the more handoffs we seem to generate | 16:31 |
| lcurtis | with 3x replicas...trying to improve on cost / tb | 16:32 |
| lcurtis | so thinking of switching to ec | 16:32 |
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| lcurtis | thinking of just creating new cluster | 16:32 |
| lcurtis | this coming from perspective of it mgr...not as hands on as i used to be | 16:33 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: how many drives per server do you have in the object servers today? | 16:33 |
| lcurtis | hi notmyname ...36 | 16:33 |
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| lcurtis | rledisez does disabling sync help? | 16:34 |
| rledisez | lcurtis: if you're not running EC yet, this is not your problem | 16:35 |
| rledisez | lcurtis: we have the same kind of hardware (36 disks, 6TB each). we use them up to 95% without major problem in replica mode | 16:35 |
| rledisez | does handoff appear when you're rebalancing only, or all the time ? | 16:35 |
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| notmyname | rledisez: I thought you had those 2/2TB server configs | 16:37 |
| lcurtis | <rledisez> the handoffs appear during rebalance | 16:37 |
| lcurtis | mostly | 16:38 |
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| rledisez | notmyname: we have multiple kind of hardware. we used to have 2*2TB, then 36*6TB. we're going to move to 36*2TB for replica and keep 36*6TB for EC (different offers, different perf ;)) | 16:38 |
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| rledisez | lcurtis: maybe it's rsync that is to IO intensive. rsync stat each files before moving it. So it creates lot of IO, can create timeout on object-servers, etc... | 16:39 |
| rledisez | lcurtis: did you try ssync ? iot can really help for that. we have good experience with it to save IO during rebalance (but it's slower, so better not be in a hurry) | 16:39 |
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| lcurtis | will have to check it out | 16:44 |
| lcurtis | so does ec save you lot of disk space? | 16:44 |
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| rledisez | lcurtis: it depends on the choice you make for the number of fragments. you can achieve an overhead of 1.1 if you want. it's a balance between saving money, risk you can take, number of servers you'll have, ... | 16:48 |
| lcurtis | i see | 16:49 |
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| clayg | zaitcev: i'm still confused on patch 291959 if you wanted to put the +A on it or wait for another set of eyes because I touched it? | 17:56 |
| patchbot | clayg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/291959/ - swift - Handle IPv6 addresses in swift-get-nodes. | 17:56 |
| clayg | seems pretty low risk, fix an old bug | 17:57 |
| clayg | also sets up for ntata's patch 347546 | 17:57 |
| patchbot | clayg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347546/ - swift - Moved ipv4 & ipv6 validations to the common utils | 17:57 |
| clayg | ntata: maybe you could look at torgomatic's fix and give it a thorough review? | 17:58 |
| zaitcev | clayg: I hoped for someone to look, but I am confident as-is | 18:02 |
| zaitcev | clayg: it's just maybe I'm too lenient. I was +2 for the old version with duplication too. | 18:03 |
| zaitcev | My litmus test is, and please forgive the unpleasant hypothesis, what if 1906 earthquakes kills everyone in San Frrancisco and I have to maintain this code, would it be okay to add this patch. That duplication looked completely okay to me... | 18:05 |
| notmyname | lol | 18:05 |
| clayg | nice ;) | 18:07 |
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| timur | I'm finally at the point of adding the container databases crawler for ElasticSearch, but not sure how to structure it. Should it be a new daemon added to the Swift repository or should it be a separate entity? Should I start by adding a write up of what it is/how it's implemented somewhere first? | 18:22 |
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| jrichli | timur: fwiw, I would appreciate getting a chance to see any documentation you may have. | 18:35 |
| notmyname | timur: there's 2 ways you could do it, depending on what state it's in | 18:36 |
| notmyname | if it's much more at the "I've got a prototype, but it needs to be rewritten" stage, then writing up the ideas/thinking/plans and linking to them on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/ideas is best | 18:37 |
| notmyname | however, if it's at the "here's something that's pretty good and is close to what should land upstream" stage, then making sure your patch has good in-tree docs is best | 18:38 |
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| timur | well, I guess my first question is whether this should live in Swift or be in a separate repository. It certainly interacts with Swift, but is not really a core part of it. Maybe laying out the current design on the wiki would be the best first step. I'll work on that | 18:47 |
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| notmyname | yeah, it's a good question | 18:49 |
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| ntata | clayg, sure.. I'll take a look at it | 18:59 |
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| clayg | torgomatic: cschwede: is there anyway I could get you to think about and chime in on lp bug #1605301 and/or patch 345524 | 19:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1605301 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "min_part_hours should not larger than 255" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605301 - Assigned to Cheng Li (shcli) | 19:06 |
| patchbot | clayg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345524/ - swift - min_part_hours should not larger than 255 | 19:06 |
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| clayg | it's possible I'm totally off base, the whole premise seems sane on the surface - but then I started to think about how we use this akward little trick with min_part_hours 9999 in practice... | 19:07 |
| clayg | ahale: briancline: you guys ever run a rebalance with an impossibly high min_part_hours for any reason? | 19:07 |
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| clayg | timur: where did you land on the overlap of swift3-sync and metadata-indexer? | 19:09 |
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| clayg | timur: are each of them going to be seperate daeamons independently finding/talking to container dbs? | 19:10 |
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| clayg | timur: are you happy with your scribble space for trcking row_id sync points and using the container api's - or do you think someting with a tighter coupling of the ContainerBroker api's and a sync_point table would be an important improvement long term? | 19:11 |
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| timur | clayg: for now I'm going with the separate daemon approach and separate scratch space in /var/lib/. Longer term, it may be more useful to use something else as scratch space, but I don't think it's an immediate problem | 19:15 |
| clayg | it's local disk? so multiple instances of the daemons don't need to share state about what they've already worked on? how do you handle loosing a node/daemon? | 19:18 |
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| clayg | i think ideas page is reasonable next step | 19:20 |
| timur | clayg: the daemons don't share any state today. When a daemon is lost, a new one can be added and it will start from row 0 again, but hopefully catch up quickly as most of the time it will be checking that the row has already been replicated. For the Swift to S3 case, at least, that seems fine, as the actual data transfer should dominate the HEAD requests. For ES, I suspect the catching up wouldn't | 19:21 |
| timur | be too painful either, but haven't done anything to measure it. | 19:21 |
| timur | Alright, I'll start with the ideas page and then we can talk further about how this works | 19:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Add doc entry to check partition count https://review.openstack.org/327489 | 19:38 |
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| notmyname | the interesting ML emails always come after lunch on friday (pacific time) | 21:00 |
| notmyname | here's what I'm referring to | 21:07 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349068/ <-- this proposed change will significantly affect every openstack project | 21:07 |
| patchbot | notmyname: patch 349068 - governance - describe a process for managing community-wide goals | 21:07 |
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| zaitcev | The official goal of Linux is "world domination and penguins". | 21:14 |
| zaitcev | At least that's what Linus answered when someone requested him to formulate it. | 21:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Split up backend/sysmeta header/footer preference tests https://review.openstack.org/346992 | 21:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Additional test for container override etag preferences https://review.openstack.org/347684 | 21:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Use self.ts more consistently in obj.test_server https://review.openstack.org/346993 | 21:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Handle IPv6 addresses in swift-get-nodes. https://review.openstack.org/291959 | 21:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Moved ipv4 & ipv6 validations to the common utils https://review.openstack.org/347546 | 21:25 |
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| clayg | whoooo it's merge friday! | 22:38 |
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