| openstackgerrit | Timur Alperovich proposed openstack/swift: Silence "Client disconnected" warnings on reads. https://review.openstack.org/363316 | 00:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Timur Alperovich proposed openstack/swift: Silence "Client disconnected" warnings on reads. https://review.openstack.org/363316 | 00:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Close the iterators in string_along. https://review.openstack.org/363199 | 00:15 |
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| clayg | timburke: ok, at the urging of a couple of core in #python-dev I poked the bees nest on that bug -> http://bugs.python.org/issue22233 | 00:38 |
| clayg | timburke: now i'm wondering if you have your py3proxy branch somewhere we could build python 3.6 with the patch and see if it acctually fixes the issue? | 00:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-swiftclient: Convert numeric and boolean header values to strings https://review.openstack.org/360725 | 00:58 |
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| kota_ | good morning | 01:05 |
| mattoliverau | kota_: morning | 01:06 |
| kota_ | mattolivearu: o// | 01:07 |
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| zhengyin | koata_, mattoliverau: good morning | 01:27 |
| mattoliverau | zhengyin: morning :) | 01:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/89250 | 03:10 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/swift: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/88736 | 03:10 |
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| suresh_ | hii all i want to know about "read and write permissions on containers" | 05:18 |
| suresh_ | please suggest me some links | 05:18 |
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| mattoliverau | suresh_: you can take a look at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/misc.html#module-swift.common.middleware.acl to get an idea of how acls look/work and briefly described http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/overview_auth.html I.e. the headers to use. X-Container-Read and X-Container-Write. | 05:31 |
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| suresh_ | mattoliverau: thanks | 05:33 |
| mattoliverau | suresh_: swiftstack have this https://www.swiftstack.com/docs/cookbooks/swift_usage/container_acl.html but they talk about using there specific usernames. In essence you can define an ACL by .referrer (or just .r) or by user, the latter depends on your auth system. | 05:34 |
| suresh_ | mattoliverau: yeah i will read and try these | 05:34 |
| suresh_ | mattoliverau: thanks for your response | 05:35 |
| mattoliverau | suresh_: no probs | 05:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: CompositeRing Support https://review.openstack.org/271920 | 05:45 |
| kota_ | just rebased, still working. | 05:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nguyen Phuong An proposed openstack/swift: Config logABug feature for Swift api-ref https://review.openstack.org/363452 | 07:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/swift: [WIP] Testing latest u-c https://review.openstack.org/318441 | 08:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joel Wright proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Fix tests/unit/test_shell.py copy tests result order https://review.openstack.org/363552 | 10:12 |
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| suresh_ | hii all, while uploading more than 5 GB file through chunks it is creating "object_name"+segments container | 10:32 |
| suresh_ | why it is creating that container | 10:33 |
| suresh_ | please someone help | 10:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Enable object server to return non-durable data https://review.openstack.org/215276 | 10:33 |
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| joeljwright | suresh_: are you using the python-swiftclient? | 10:35 |
| kota_ | suresh_: that is becuase swift doesn't allow > 5GB file as an object in default ( you can change the conf in swift.conf) | 10:35 |
| kota_ | joel! | 10:35 |
| joeljwright | kota_: hey! | 10:35 |
| joeljwright | suresh_: the python swiftclient creates a new container called 'container_segments' for uploading large objects | 10:35 |
| kota_ | joeljwright: probably that's default behavioer of swiftclient command line to make SLO? | 10:36 |
| joeljwright | suresh_: the manifest file that represents the large object is placed in the original container, all the data goes into container_segments | 10:36 |
| joeljwright | suresh_: loads of info about what's happening when uploading >5gb here: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/overview_large_objects.html | 10:37 |
| kota_ | yeah, to split the file to small "segments" and make a manifest which you can download the original > 5GB object via the path you want to upload. | 10:37 |
| joeljwright | kota_: how's things? Will you be at the summit in October? | 10:37 |
| kota_ | joerlwright: I'll be there! | 10:38 |
| joeljwright | :) | 10:38 |
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| kota_ | joeljwright: i'm looking forward to meeting you there ;-) | 10:38 |
| suresh_ | joeljwright: If i delete the manifest file then the data in container_segments will be delete? | 10:39 |
| joeljwright | kota_: should be fun. I've been really busy since Austin, just trying to get back into swift stuff again | 10:39 |
| kota_ | joeljwright: np, welcome to get back anyway :) | 10:40 |
| joeljwright | suresh_: I need to check that | 10:43 |
| suresh_ | will you please check once and let me know what is happening when deleteing manifest. | 10:45 |
| joeljwright | suresh_: I believe that segments are only deleted if you're using DLO at the moment | 10:49 |
| joeljwright | suresh_: deleting an SLO will currently leave the segments in storage I believe | 10:50 |
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| suresh_ | joeljwrightL: sorry what is DLO and SLO ? | 10:50 |
| joeljwright | suresh_: see the link I sent you earlier | 10:51 |
| joeljwright | suresh_: DLO == 'dynamic large object', SLO == 'static large object' | 10:51 |
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| suresh_ | joeljwright: yeah got it | 10:51 |
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| suresh_ | joeljwrightL: i uploaded a 10 GB file through python-swift client | 10:56 |
| suresh_ | why it is showing less size in swift stat container | 10:56 |
| suresh_ | it is showing 12MB in stat of that container | 10:57 |
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| joeljwright | suresh_: swift stat container only shows the size of the data in that container; all the object contents are in container_segments | 10:57 |
| joeljwright | suresh_: swift stat container_segments will show the size of the data you expect | 10:58 |
| suresh_ | joeljwright: yeah thanks for your responses. | 10:58 |
| joeljwright | suresh_: np :) | 10:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: EC Fragment Duplication - Foundational Global EC Cluster Support https://review.openstack.org/219165 | 11:00 |
| kota_ | rebased | 11:00 |
| kota_ | because my landed patch conflicted with my patch :/ | 11:00 |
| joeljwright | kota_: glad I'm not the only one who does that :) | 11:01 |
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| kota_ | joeljwright: ;) | 11:03 |
| kota_ | it's time to back home, bye guys | 11:04 |
| joeljwright | kota_: bye | 11:04 |
| openstackgerrit | zheng yin proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Add commands examples for copy and delete https://review.openstack.org/363581 | 11:07 |
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| suresh_ | hii all, how to write in to one object which is in online Is there anyway" | 11:17 |
| suresh_ | please someone help | 11:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Christian Schwede proposed openstack/swift: More TestAccountController test updates https://review.openstack.org/363628 | 12:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Christian Schwede proposed openstack/swift: More Test[Account|Container]Controller test updates https://review.openstack.org/363628 | 13:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Add unit case https://review.openstack.org/350471 | 13:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Add test to validate the error strings in test_expirer https://review.openstack.org/360914 | 14:28 |
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| notmyname | good morning | 15:36 |
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| timburke | clayg: you could, but it'd probably be better to test with python-swiftclient. following https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360135/ the functests should generally all pass, but definitely don't if you've got, say, u'\u5605' in your account tempurl key | 16:38 |
| patchbot | patch 360135 - python-swiftclient - Make functests py3-compatible | 16:38 |
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| notmyname | FYI swift is mentioned here several times. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12392081 | 17:08 |
| notmyname | a common issue raised is "really hard to initially set up" (however, good once that happens) | 17:09 |
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| timburke | notmyname: i'm a little sad to not see swift mentioned more in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12398303 | 17:21 |
| ahale_ | large scale object storage seems much harder to run than to set up, the day to day things that go along with having a lot of machines with a lot of disks | 17:22 |
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| notmyname | timburke: I see one mention of swift in the comments (and positive) | 17:25 |
| notmyname | ahale_: it's not hard when you have A(hale)aaS | 17:27 |
| ahale_ | hah | 17:28 |
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| * notmyname is choosing tshirt colors right now | 17:29 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Timur Alperovich proposed openstack/swift: Silence "Client disconnected" warnings on reads. https://review.openstack.org/363316 | 17:54 |
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| jrichli | im really excited about the shirts! great design | 18:02 |
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| clayg | timburke: awesome, full ack | 18:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thiago da Silva proposed openstack/swift: Add option to set default version mode https://review.openstack.org/361439 | 18:45 |
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| tdasilva | jrichli: now you can actually add a +2 on patch 357559 ;) | 18:54 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357559/ - swift - Include metadata in PUT/POST responses | 18:54 |
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| jrichli | tdasilva: you are right! | 18:59 |
| * jrichli goes to retest and re-review | 18:59 | |
| jrichli | its gonna take awhile to be comfortable with that, me thinks! | 19:00 |
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| tdasilva | jrichli: congrats again! :) | 19:23 |
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| jrichli | tdasilva: thanks! | 19:23 |
| zaitcev | hip hip Jamie! | 19:24 |
| zaitcev | But now you have to become comfortable to review all the dusty crannies, like ACLs | 19:25 |
| jrichli | zaitcev: true. I look forward to learning about the 'dusty crannies'! | 19:25 |
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| redbo | ಠ_ಠ| 19:40 |
| notmyname | timburke: (/cc joeljwright) looks like the main outstanding things for swiftclient have been merged | 19:53 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: I think so, will check through my review list | 20:01 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: thanks. I'm cleaning up the changelog now. will push in a few minutes | 20:01 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: patch 184956 could do with landing | 20:09 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184956/ - python-swiftclient - Accept gzip-encoded API responses | 20:09 |
| openstackgerrit | John Dickinson proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: authors/changelog updates for 3.1.0 release https://review.openstack.org/361775 | 20:10 |
| joeljwright | but I guess we can live without it | 20:11 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: hmm...looks like it had already been approved | 20:11 |
| joeljwright | need to go and collect my wife from the station - be back for the meeting | 20:11 |
| notmyname | I'll ping mattoliverau about it in the meeting, but I want to have a commit SHA for release today | 20:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Fix intermittent test failure https://review.openstack.org/361537 | 20:27 |
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| timur | I noticed there's been a couple of times where I can't get the test artifact after a failure. Most recently here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363316/ (the cluster-swift-tox-func-ec). Is that likely a temporary CI issue? | 20:28 |
| patchbot | patch 363316 - swift - Silence "Client disconnected" warnings on reads. | 20:28 |
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| notmyname | dont' land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361775/ quite yet. there's something on it I want to bring up in the meeting (reno) | 20:40 |
| patchbot | patch 361775 - python-swiftclient - authors/changelog updates for 3.1.0 release | 20:40 |
| kota_ | good morning | 20:54 |
| mattoliverau | Morning | 20:56 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: summary from scrollback... can you look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184956/ ? you previously gave a +2, but it got rebased and a test added. it would be nice to have in a release, but if that happens, we need to land it in the next few hours | 20:57 |
| patchbot | patch 184956 - python-swiftclient - Accept gzip-encoded API responses | 20:57 |
| notmyname | meeting in 2 minutes in #openstack-meeting | 20:58 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: I can do that thing :) I'll will look post meeting | 21:00 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:00 |
| notmyname | clayg: ping (meeting) | 21:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift: Include correct version in install-guide https://review.openstack.org/363938 | 21:10 |
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| timburke | on reno, i wonder if we could define custom section headers? i could see some value in being able to group features by target audience: here are new things available to you as a client, or a middleware writer, or an operator (or on the client side, as a CLI user vs as a developer) | 21:45 |
| clayg | RE the term "cross-project" and esp. as it relates to "liasons" - i've just come to realize I misunderstood the meaning of "cross-project" for a long time | 21:46 |
| clayg | I used to think it had something to with like Swift working with barbican to deliver some sweet OpenStack encrypted security cloud infrasture capabilities awesomesauce - but it turns out "cross-project" is not that at all | 21:47 |
| notmyname | clayg: +1000 | 21:48 |
| clayg | "cross-project" means "shit in OpenStack that's not about building cloud infrastrucutre software" like if you work on Hacking that's cross-project, or like the gate, or like reno, or a process for | 21:48 |
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| clayg | ... I mean really my point is that I heard cross project I thought it ment OpenStack projects working together to deliver awsome cloud infrastrucutre - but it's really like EVERYTHING that makes up OpenStack that I don't pay attention to | 21:49 |
| clayg | i'm like... literally the WORST possible at corss project :'( | 21:49 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:49 |
| kota_ | ah, make sense. cross-project... that is becoming it seems working across projects to me | 21:50 |
| kota_ | i meant "common things for all projects" | 21:51 |
| mattoliverau | I work with the stable PTL (he's on my team) so it might make sense if I step up and be the stable liason.. that way he can always poke me in person :) | 21:51 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: if the past is any indicator, that will happen about zero times ;-) | 21:53 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: lol, great even better, but it'll look like we are participating :P | 21:53 |
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| clarkb | clayg: I think its meant to be both... and I am sorry you don't feel that the work others do is important for building clouds. Who needs documentation right? | 21:54 |
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| clayg | nadeem: I'm not sure it's a given that having to manage two directories with a .git subdir will ruin the community? | 22:01 |
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| clayg | nadeem: I think most of us already commit and work in different places - including swift and python-swiftclient - if the split is the way that works best for the TC we should be open to that - it's still the right direction | 22:02 |
| clayg | clarkb: I love documentation. It feels good to write documentation on a new feature. It's like cleaning your room - you put it off because it seems like a boring/annoying chore - but you know you should - and once you do - aww man - it feels so GOOOD! | 22:04 |
| clayg | or fixing bugs in old docs - yum | 22:04 |
| clayg | i just don't know how to do it anywhere besides the repos and code I pay attention to - and I suck at paying attention to documentation that other people wrote :'( | 22:05 |
| clarkb | yes I think that specific reason is why cross project includes "shit in openstack thats not about building cloud infrastructure" | 22:06 |
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| clayg | yeah it's not a knock on anyone excep me - my understanding - my short coming | 22:06 |
| clayg | admiting you ahve a problem is like a first tep right! | 22:06 |
| pdardeau | clayg: it's a tough crowd :-) | 22:07 |
| clayg | it's just i'm not sure i'm an island in this regard either - i think the term itself (granted partially aided by my own willful ignorance) has allowed me to misconstrue the nature of the criteques that have been built up over the years | 22:11 |
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| clayg | so... just like a public admission I'm working on my mental models here people - it's been eye opening | 22:12 |
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| clarkb | well I think its both things. It is helpling swift and barbican and whoever else work on neat features but also to help people do things like documentation and test their software and so on using a common set of tools and expectatiosn so we don't all have to relearn it every time we clone a new project | 22:12 |
| notmyname | I think my perspective is that there's other projects that provide functionality (eg barbican with crypto stuff), and in my mind they're all equal. eg barbican provides something, so does the -infra team | 22:14 |
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| notmyname | so working with barbican or keystone is just the same as working with docs or release or infra | 22:14 |
| clayg | notmyname: clarkb: gah - i feel like I disagree with both of those statements :P | 22:14 |
| clayg | it's almost contrary to waht I'm trying to say | 22:14 |
| clayg | like for swift <=> barbican - we have API's mostly for that | 22:15 |
| notmyname | we make sure that where we integrate to consume the functionality provided we do it well and in a way that doesn't break other people | 22:15 |
| notmyname | yeah, APIs are where it's at | 22:15 |
| notmyname | and as a member of openstack, we provide an api for storage and we want to work with other projects to make sure it works well | 22:15 |
| clayg | and when we work on stuff to integrate and consume - that's... i mean it requires people across projects working - but that's - you don't get cross project credit for that :D | 22:15 |
| clayg | you get cross project creds if *everyone* benifits - never do something that helps you if you can do something that helps everyone | 22:16 |
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| clayg | i'm still working on this here - spitballin' - i may not have it nailed down yet | 22:16 |
| clarkb | one example that comes to mind is sorting out cinder volume multi attach. Thats api that has had to involve nova nd cinder because REST api is involved as well as libvirt among other things (as I understand it) | 22:17 |
| clayg | i still think that's <10% of "cross-project" | 22:17 |
| clayg | people *want* it to >50% of "cross-project" but mostly that only effects cinder & nova and it doesn't "count" - not anymore than swift working with zaqar or searchlight | 22:18 |
| clarkb | Oh I don't care about percentages I just want openstack to be able to talk to each other so that we can fix problems | 22:18 |
| clarkb | and historically we have sucked at that | 22:18 |
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| clayg | clarkb: i ... don't really have a context to place that statement in :\ | 22:21 |
| clarkb | one example is for a very long long time we said nova net is deprecated stop using it. But at the same time neutron was not implementing the features that nova net had that users wanted because nova and neutron never actually seemed to communicate about what was necessary to make nova net go away | 22:22 |
| clayg | if nova and cinder want to "fix" multi-attach - they just do it - i really think it's worthwhile to seperate *that* as "cross-project" to whatever the *other* "cross-project" is | 22:22 |
| clarkb | its only been in the last cycle or two where we actually started having those discussions and now we might actually be able to delete nova net. Its amazing how quickly that happened once we started doing this | 22:22 |
| clarkb | but without it we got nowhere just had ltos of angry devs and users | 22:22 |
| clarkb | clayg: history has shown that it just doesn't hapepn though. ANyways people like liasons hopeflly open up those doors and allow us to have those conversations allowing the just do it to happen | 22:23 |
| clayg | we're definately conflating some different things with the same term - and I think swift as a project and more imporantly as a community is FUCKING GREAT an fixing shit and getting shit done - you gotta real use-case problem - i don't care where you from - let's fix it | 22:23 |
| clarkb | eh | 22:24 |
| clarkb | I was told no :{ | 22:24 |
| clarkb | er :P | 22:24 |
| clarkb | would you please please fix your logging? If I ask now does it count more? | 22:24 |
| clarkb | swift logs are almost unindexable because they don't care enough information along with them and they are not configurable to do so | 22:24 |
| patchbot | You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last 60 seconds; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes. | 22:24 |
| clayg | patchbot: you are out of control bro! | 22:25 |
| clarkb | definitely keep the existing formats for backward compat (I had no problem with this before and continue to not have a problem with that) but it would be really ncie to be able to at least opt into a log format that is useful | 22:25 |
| clarkb | I don't even care if you use oslo logging | 22:25 |
| clayg | clarkb: you know - i probably didn't put 2 + 2 together here - notmyname was saying something to me about logging - first he or I had ever heard of it - coming up recently? I don't know all the details? | 22:25 |
| clarkb | I asked for this years ago | 22:25 |
| clarkb | but I know other people have been banging the drum more. I mostly gave up years ago when I was told no | 22:26 |
| clayg | clarkb: you know - honestly - I probably don't understand the problem or requirements really all that well | 22:28 |
| clarkb | The big problems are missing timestamps in many places and where we do have timestamps they don't have subsecond resolution | 22:29 |
| clayg | clarkb: but I will say that if it would really make a big difference to you - I'd love to take up the torch | 22:29 |
| clayg | ... sorry - my first gut reaction to that is to fix the rsyslog formatting | 22:30 |
| clarkb | yes thats the other problem | 22:30 |
| clarkb | you only support rsyslog | 22:30 |
| clarkb | please support at least python logging, its in stdlib doesn't add anymore deps to swift and continues to support syslog | 22:30 |
| clarkb | there are also at least two major formats in use. the apache common log format then the else format | 22:33 |
| clayg | aren't proxy logs mostly in the apache format? (with extra fields) | 22:34 |
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| clarkb | its a mix | 22:34 |
| clarkb | things like authorizing user show up not in apache format, but then the top level GET is apache format | 22:35 |
| clarkb | I also think we have a lack of log levels as a result? I would have to go digging more | 22:36 |
| clayg | clarkb: most folks already use the proxy_logging configuration to send just proxy access logs to a seperate logger - it's not clear to me how things that aren't really access log statements would be converted to the apache format | 22:36 |
| clarkb | but log levels tend to be very useful for "oh something just broken let me grep/search/whatever for ERROR" | 22:36 |
| clarkb | at least the logs we end up with in the gate for swift seem to be levelless | 22:37 |
| jrichli | i suspect its the way we integrate our logging with devstack. | 22:38 |
| clarkb | clayg: apache has a non HTTP request type of format which swift doesn't seem to follow | 22:38 |
| jrichli | when i split out my logs in my saio, i can grep for ERROR in the error logfile | 22:38 |
| clarkb | for error logs and such | 22:38 |
| clarkb | which means you can't use standard recipes for parsing eg apache logs to deal with swift logs | 22:39 |
| clarkb | I guess its specifically the proxy as the other services use the else format too | 22:40 |
| clayg | jrichli: i was just looking at the code for "log_custom_handlers" - apparently you can configure swift logging to do basically anything you want | 22:42 |
| clayg | clarkb: i agree with jrichli there's probably a gap with how devstack want's to configure logging - but irc is probably not the greatest forum to caputre requirements :'( | 22:43 |
| clarkb | sorry was mistaken the other services do appear to be pretty consistent bout doig apache's format its the proxy where we have the mix and things get annoying to deal with | 22:45 |
| clayg | *really*? that's backwards as I would understand swift logging. and outside of request logging to my knowledge there is no "format" that I know of other than how the logger format and syslog have been configured | 22:47 |
| clarkb | just looking at the semi random sample of eg http://logs.openstack.org/38/363838/2/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-ubuntu-xenial/a796242/logs/screen-s-account.txt.gz compared to the proxy log from the same thing | 22:48 |
| clarkb | that file is all apache format | 22:48 |
| clarkb | http://logs.openstack.org/38/363838/2/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-ubuntu-xenial/a796242/logs/screen-s-proxy.txt.gz is not | 22:49 |
| clayg | most of the messages i'm seeing emitted from the proxy log there are coming from the keystone components :( | 22:50 |
| clayg | what *are* those curl lines!? | 22:50 |
| clayg | god help us if someone that acctually deploys swift has logs like that :D | 22:51 |
| clarkb | those are your defaults aiui | 22:51 |
| clarkb | as devstack isn't configuring logging its just saying go | 22:51 |
| timburke | clayg: makes sense to me; non-proxy does very little logging other than requests (short of bugs like the one fixed in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285754/) | 22:52 |
| patchbot | patch 285754 - swift - Require account/container metadata be UTF-8 (MERGED) | 22:52 |
| timburke | clayg: the curl lines are largely (entirely?) to do with keystone auth | 22:52 |
| clayg | timburke: yeah I see that - but the version we package doesn't make that much noise - and if it did - we'd figure out some way to shut it up ;) | 22:52 |
| clayg | clarkb: this is where I think the conversation gets to turn back to what I was trying to say about 'cross-project' vs "cross-project" the problem is that keystone and swift need to get together and come up with a better interface to handle logs - someone just needs to make the devstack logging configuration better for swift + keystone | 22:54 |
| * notmyname had stepped out and is back now | 22:54 | |
| clayg | I'm not sure how much *additional* work would be needed in devstack's swift configuration logging to meet all of your requirements - or maybe your complaint is that it "shouldn't" take anything "just say go" | 22:54 |
| clarkb | sure I think that is fine. But the last time I broached the subject it was met with our logs are perfect and we can't break our users (I never asked for that anyways) so no | 22:55 |
| clarkb | so its not just having keystone + swift + devsatck work together | 22:55 |
| clarkb | its being willing to have the conversation in the first place | 22:55 |
| clarkb | clayg: and yes ideally there would be zero config for that. swift logs should work sanely out of the box | 22:55 |
| clayg | i'm not sure if i was in that earlier converstation - but it's quite possible - because I really think i've had a long term misunderstanding about the terms | 22:56 |
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| clayg | obviously we're somehow missing each other a little bit here - but i think i'm trying to suggest that if keystone + swift + devstack logging just met your requirements - you'd acctually be pretty damn happy | 22:57 |
| clarkb | but this is probably why your users are asking you to use oslo logging because by default oslo logging has a sane setup out of the box (at least the projects that use it do). I don't want to get into the argument of whether ot not you should use oslo.logging this is solveable with and without doing so. But possible this si whwere some of that comes from | 22:57 |
| clayg | clarkb: somehow when you tell me what my users want i feel like we're placing ourselves at odds :\ | 22:59 |
| clarkb | clayg: you were the one that brought up people wanting oslo logging earlier... just saying that I think some of the motivation there is to have logs taht work out of the box | 22:59 |
| clayg | as far as sane setup out of the box - i guess it depends who's box it's coming out of maybe? idk. | 22:59 |
| clarkb | not necessarily that I or $user really care if you use oslo logging | 23:00 |
| clarkb | and thats being used as a proxy for make logs better and if we focused on making logs better maybe the other fight goes away I dunno | 23:00 |
| notmyname | clarkb: I'm not sure if what you're saying is that there's something about swift's logs that are broken or that the swift team is unwilling to change anything about logging | 23:01 |
| clarkb | notmyname: both | 23:01 |
| clayg | rofl | 23:02 |
| clarkb | the logs are very hard to use to track down problems (I think the links above are decent examples of that) | 23:02 |
| clayg | clarkb: I hope we've put in a bunch of effort over the years to make you this jaded! otherwise I'd feel that's fairly counter productive. :D | 23:02 |
| clarkb | and I have asked multiple times in the past grantedits been yaers since the last occasion for swift to please fix it | 23:02 |
| clayg | clarkb: i mean... again... i'm not sure that's super producive - but you're welcome to vent a little bit - I'm even *sorry* you feel that way | 23:03 |
| notmyname | clarkb: but I can't fix "it's hard to find problems". http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/logs.html | 23:03 |
| clarkb | notmyname: please see scrollback I gave many examples of where things are bad | 23:03 |
| clayg | clarkb: but bro... like do you have a bug we can reference with the use-case and requirements? | 23:03 |
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| clarkb | clayg: I am sure there is likely a bug from a few years ago that can be drug up. I don't know what it is off the top of my head | 23:04 |
| clarkb | I had to get neutronand glance and a few others to work on these things too and there was a big bug iirc but swift was not interested. | 23:04 |
| clayg | clarkb: I do hope we can find it (i'm looking) because I think it cuts to heart of my point about 'cross-project' vs. "cross-project" | 23:05 |
| clarkb | notmyname: specifically only syslog is supported (please support other writers python logging is good at this), please do subsecond timestamp resolution (you would get this for free with python logging), use apache logging format consistently so that existing tools can be used to parse those logs | 23:05 |
| clayg | Instead of "logging sucks for me" we hear "you need to change your log format" and instead of "let me help you configure your system to meet your requirements" we say "i'm not going to break my users to fix it so the default logging configuration meets your alone needs" | 23:06 |
| clarkb | or I guess apache logging format isn't a hard requirement just be consistent | 23:06 |
| clarkb | clayg: as I said I have no interest in breaking your existing users | 23:06 |
| clarkb | I think we cuold get by with making it opt in | 23:07 |
| notmyname | python logging and syslog are orthogonal. we actually use python's logging module to send stuff to syslog | 23:07 |
| clayg | clarkb: i know - we're still talking past each other - it's *amazing* people are able to communicate on IRC at all with out some prior human experience with each other :D | 23:07 |
| clarkb | notmyname: right let me clarify. Allow me to configure python logging using its configuration format. Last I checked you hardcoded syslog so I can't use other handlers and loggers | 23:07 |
| clayg | clarkb: there's a way you can configure custom handlers | 23:07 |
| clayg | clarkb: you could configure syslog to ignore (or not write) logs from swift or confugre swift to dump to /dev/null or w/e - or you can configure syslog to do whatever you want | 23:08 |
| clarkb | clayg: but I can't edit the format either right? which is what the loggers do iirc | 23:08 |
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| clayg | either way - MY point - YOU shouldn't have to do anything - that's not "cross-project" - that's 'cross-project' - if swift was good at "cross-project" we'd fix devstack to meet your requirements :D | 23:09 |
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| clayg | clarkb: see I thought handlers had formatters :D | 23:09 |
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| clayg | handler.setFormatter seems like a thing | 23:10 |
| clarkb | I think the flow is logger -> formatter -> handler | 23:11 |
| clarkb | so you'd need to be able to create formatters and set them on handlers | 23:11 |
| clarkb | ah its actually logger -> handler via the handle method which runs the formaters | 23:12 |
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| clayg | clarkb: ok, so we don't have to write any code in IRC here ;) - I think you had like three things somewhere that would make a great requirements for fixing swift's logging in your environment | 23:13 |
| clayg | there it is -> [23:04] clarkb | notmyname: specifically only syslog is supported (please support other writers python logging is good at this), please do subsecond timestamp resolution (you would get this for free with python logging), use apache logging format consistently so that existing tools can be used to parse those logs | 23:14 |
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| clayg | clarkb: hey man, look - even if nothing else - THANK YOU - for stepping up and raising your voice - those logs are *truly* terrible -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1619073 | 23:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1619073 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Swift logs in devstack are terrible" [Undecided,New] | 23:23 |
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| clarkb | clayg: and tahnk you for being willing to listen | 23:23 |
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