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| zaitcev | https://github.com/troubling/hummingbird/pull/85#issuecomment-302520323 | 00:35 |
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| kota_ | good morning | 01:26 |
| kota_ | thanks acoles :D | 01:31 |
| acoles | kota_: o/ | 01:32 |
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| mattoliverau | o/ | 02:06 |
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| mattoliverau | acoles: you must be heading home soon? its nice to have you in this timezone, but also feels weird :) | 02:07 |
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| acoles | mattoliverau: yep, I fly home tomorrow evening. had a great week here but ready for a decent cup of tea :) | 02:15 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: is it your morning? I'm so confused ;0 | 02:18 |
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| * acoles thinks it must be mattoliverau 's lunchtime | 02:29 | |
| acoles | good night | 02:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift master: WIP: Move listing formatting out to proxy middleware https://review.openstack.org/449394 | 02:29 |
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| mattoliverau | acoles: yeah sorry, turns out even when your unemployed your still busy. Was out running errands and yes, my lunch time :) | 04:14 |
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| kota_ | acoles: oh, you're still U.S. have a good night and safe flight tommorow. | 04:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | M V P Nitesh proposed openstack/swift master: Replace assertRaisesRegexp with assertRaisesRegex https://review.openstack.org/466205 | 06:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Christian Schwede proposed openstack/swift master: Make mount_check option usable in containerized environments https://review.openstack.org/466255 | 10:17 |
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| notmyname | good morning | 16:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thiago da Silva proposed openstack/swift master: Symlink implementation. https://review.openstack.org/232162 | 16:42 |
| timburke | good morning | 16:43 |
| tdasilva | symlink lives on! if anybody has a chance to review, m_kazuhiro and I would greatly appreciate it | 16:44 |
| tdasilva | notmyname, timburke: good morning | 16:44 |
| timburke | whooo! | 16:44 |
| timburke | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232162/ | 16:44 |
| patchbot | patch 232162 - swift - Symlink implementation. | 16:44 |
| timburke | oh yeah... tdasilva, you might be interested in what i'm playing around with at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449394/ | 16:52 |
| patchbot | patch 449394 - swift - WIP: Move listing formatting out to proxy middleware | 16:52 |
| timburke | i've given up on having a/c server *only ever* return json, but i *did* force proxy controllers to tack on a format=json query param so all middlewares right of the new one only have one format to worry about | 16:53 |
| tdasilva | timburke: mm..interesting. at first i'm a little "wide eyed" about having to create a new middleware...but will definitely digging into it some more | 16:54 |
| timburke | similar to copy & versioned writes, i mainly want it to separate concerns and make the flow easier to reason about | 16:55 |
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| timburke | at some point we may well need to start using sys.setrecursionlimit... | 16:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift master: Add read and write affinity options to deployment guide https://review.openstack.org/462619 | 19:05 |
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| EmilienM | notmyname: hey, can you confirm swift doesn't use oslo.config right now? | 19:12 |
| notmyname | EmilienM: swift does not currently use oslo config | 19:12 |
| EmilienM | notmyname: is there any plan to support it in future? | 19:13 |
| notmyname | EmilienM: we've talked about what that would look like and what a path to start using it would look like, but it's not something that's currently done | 19:13 |
| EmilienM | notmyname: I'm asking because of | 19:13 |
| EmilienM | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-forum-future-of-configuration-management | 19:13 |
| EmilienM | we're pushing on etcd support in oslo.config | 19:13 |
| EmilienM | and I was interested to idendify which services wouldn't be using this feature | 19:13 |
| notmyname | if you'll grant me some leeway for the time being (I'm currently in another meeting, and I'll need to talk with others before getting a full answer)... | 19:14 |
| EmilienM | notmyname: no worries, nothing urgent at all | 19:15 |
| notmyname | I'm not a fan of putting swift's config into etcd | 19:15 |
| EmilienM | notmyname: we can chat about it next week | 19:15 |
| notmyname | independent of oslo.config | 19:15 |
| EmilienM | notmyname: I'm interested to get your opinion because we had a session last week about that and we agreed to push config into etcd | 19:15 |
| EmilienM | notmyname: anyway, ping me when you have time, I'll be around | 19:15 |
| notmyname | EmilienM: I have discovered that something that is common in swift might not be common in other openstack projects: many swift deployments have 3rd party wsgi middleware installed | 19:16 |
| notmyname | this flies in the face of the ideas I've heard about the future of oslo.config (both etcd and removing config from user-settable things) | 19:17 |
| notmyname | I might be conflating some stuff, but yeah, we can talk more next week | 19:17 |
| EmilienM | there is no removing config from user-settable things | 19:17 |
| EmilienM | the user can still change any param | 19:17 |
| EmilienM | it's just the format of config (config file vs k/v) | 19:17 |
| notmyname | that was a separate thing, I think | 19:18 |
| notmyname | eg line 52 on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/community-goals | 19:18 |
| notmyname | EmilienM: but re etcd, one of my initial thoughts is that using a CP system to store config for an AP system doesn't seem like a good idea | 19:20 |
| EmilienM | notmyname: what is CP / AP ? | 19:21 |
| notmyname | from the CAP theorem. CP = consistent + partition tolerant (ie etcd). AP = available + partition tolerant (ie swift) | 19:22 |
| notmyname | two ways to build a distributed system | 19:23 |
| EmilienM | ok got it | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | I'm not sure if that's a blocker or not, but bolting the two together (ie "to install swift, an eventually consistent system, you first need to install etcd and depend on it") seems suspect | 19:25 |
| EmilienM | just an FYI, all this thing with etcd is optional | 19:25 |
| EmilienM | like operators wouldn't have to use it if they don't want | 19:25 |
| EmilienM | and config file backend will be default like before etc | 19:25 |
| EmilienM | it's a new feature we're adding and the first iteration won't be used everywhere I guess | 19:26 |
| notmyname | EmilienM: I had wanted to go to that session, but I had a conflict during that time :-( | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | but according to the etherpad, there were several swift cores there :-) | 19:39 |
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| clayg | i went - it was great | 21:01 |
| clayg | notmyname: all the google spanner blogs all say we have to stop trivializing systems as AP or CP - because they wrote a CP system - and while ... you know ... the theorem is still ... you know ... a *theorem* that doesn't mean you *can't* have a highly available CP system (for some definition of highly available). It just means that in reality - operations | 21:06 |
| clayg | is hard and most software is terrible. | 21:06 |
| notmyname | yep. can confirm | 21:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/swift master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/88736 | 22:54 |
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